I believe in the playoff system but

[outhereincali]

but this year it was a waste of time. You look at the last two teams that got in ND and OK. They both lost by double digit margins to the top two teams. One of the teams that was left out GA was dominated from start to finish tonight. The other team that was left out was tOSU. They probably should have been in but Bama or Clemson would have won easily against the buckeyes. Nevertheless the NCAA cash cow was still there.

No it was Bama, Clemson, and everyone else. They're probably 14 points better than everyone else. I mean Clemson benched a qb who was like 16/2 and they got better. They lose a future 1st round draft pick to a ped issue and they hold the Golden Domers to 3 points. Bama has 5* recruits, some who wait for 2 years to get to play. I saw that every recruit from this class was at least a 4* how do you compete against that?

So I guess props to OK and the Golden Domers they got a big check to play in games they had no chance of winning. And I guess that eases the embarrassment of getting thumped on national tv.

 

[westx]

The way I see it is that the teams that got in, are the rightful ones. Regardless of double digit losses. tOSU and Georgia played themselves out. They may be better than ou or ND, or they may not be.

 

[KeithK7624]

I think tOSU is a better team than most think. The loss to Purdue stung but 9 out of 10 teams they steam roll the boilermakers. No pun intended. At the end of the day, it’s not a perfect system, but ND showed they did not belong. Was UGA or tOSU number 5?

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

I think tOSU is a better team than most think. The loss to Purdue stung but 9 out of 10 teams they steam roll the boilermakers. No pun intended. At the end of the day, it’s not a perfect system, but ND showed they did not belong. Was UGA or tOSU number 5?

They said we didn't belong too, but that shit went out the window fast...



Hook'em

 

[2300 Nueces]

After last night's game, I have some reservations about the Big 12 officiating in the Big 12 CCG. We clearly shut down a team that had bama on the ropes. ou got run by bama.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Sam will win the Heisman next yr!


Hook'em

 

[Belldozer1]

After last night's game, I have some reservations about the Big 12 officiating in the Big 12 CCG. We clearly shut down a team that had bama on the ropes. ou got run by bama.

Seriously? Look, getting to the playoffs is a process. OU won the conference and did what it took to make the playoffs. To act like it was some conspiracy is ridiculous. In the end, Ruffin’s lowly ranked defense was too much for you to overcome. You finished on a high note, enjoy it. We got beat but get a new DC.

 

[q1w2e3]

The way I see it is that the teams that got in, are the rightful ones. Regardless of double digit losses. tOSU and Georgia played themselves out. They may be better than ou or ND, or they may not be.

Agreed. I think the committee should have labeled it "the most deserving" four teams and screwed themselves by saying "the best" four teams. Most years it's going to be very hard if not impossible to know who the best four teams are. In college football comparing any teams from different conferences makes it ambiguous because of completely different schedules with one, if any, common opponents.

 

[Belldozer1]

Agreed. I think the committee should have labeled it "the most deserving" four teams and screwed themselves by saying "the best" four teams. Most years it's going to be very hard if not impossible to know who the best four teams are. In college football comparing any teams from different conferences makes it ambiguous because of completely different schedules with one, if any, common opponents.

You have to meet certain criteria to make the playoffs. Honestly I think they should use a computer generated strength of schedule formula that all can agree on and make it count towards 2/3rds of the decision making process, like the BCS system used. The other 1/3 can be decided by voters but I do think that if you don’t award a conference champion as a playoff team then do away with conference championships altogether.

 

[DrinkToIt]

There were a number of questionable calls in the B12 title game. It's not crazy to suggest the B12 saw the value of OU going to the playoff with a win. That said we didn't play well enough to keep ticky tack calls from helping out.

I'm thrilled with the Sugar Bowl win though. Things worked out great in the end.

 

[Deweygolfer]

but this year it was a waste of time. You look at the last two teams that got in ND and OK. They both lost by double digit margins to the top two teams. One of the teams that was left out GA was dominated from start to finish tonight. The other team that was left out was tOSU. They probably should have been in but Bama or Clemson would have won easily against the buckeyes. Nevertheless the NCAA cash cow was still there.

No it was Bama, Clemson, and everyone else. They're probably 14 points better than everyone else. I mean Clemson benched a qb who was like 16/2 and they got better. They lose a future 1st round draft pick to a ped issue and they hold the Golden Domers to 3 points. Bama has 5* recruits, some who wait for 2 years to get to play. I saw that every recruit from this class was at least a 4* how do you compete against that?

So I guess props to OK and the Golden Domers they got a big check to play in games they had no chance of winning. And I guess that eases the embarrassment of getting thumped on national tv.

Last year Bama beat Clemson 24-6. In 2016, Clemson beat tOSU 31-0 and Bama beat Washington 24-7. In 2015, Clemson beat OU 34-17 and Bama beat MSU 38-0. In 2017, Oregon beat FSU 59-20. So, taking this years Semifinal results into consideration, 8 out of the last 10 Semifinal games have been decided by Double Digits. Only exceptions were OU / UGA last year and and tOSU / Bama in 2014. It's not like this is some anomaly. By your analysis outhereincali, the playoff has been a waste of Time all 5 years.....

 

[2300 Nueces]

This really isn't very difficult. The talking heads and the committees are the problem. Currently, we have a disjointed conference system but give free markets a while to work and we will get close to something reasonable. We need to make the regular season count for more than just seeding for a beauty pageant. 4 16 team conferences with the champs playing in a randomly seeded contest. The CCG's will be your 8 team playoff with no drama......

 

[Deweygolfer]

This really isn't very difficult. The talking heads and the committees are the problem. Currently, we have a disjointed conference system but give free markets a while to work and we will get close to something reasonable. We need to make the regular season count for more than just seeding for a beauty pageant. 4 16 team conferences with the champs playing in a randomly seeded contest. The CCG's will be your 8 team playoff with no drama......

In my opinion, the main thing that has screwed everything up in regard to BCS, playoffs, CCGs, etc. is Conference Expansion and no cohesiveness in number of teams per conference. If you ask me, I think each conference should be 10 Teams, you play everybody once and team with the best record wins the conference. You then have your 9 Conference games + 3 OOC games for a Total of 12. You could then at that point say have 7 Major Conferences with 10 Teams and the winner of each Conference gets in + 1 At Large for a Total of 8 Teams. I know this will never happen, but wish that is the path they would have taken years back. Moving into the Future though, I like your thoughts on things should evolve.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Seriously? Look, getting to the playoffs is a process. OU won the conference and did what it took to make the playoffs. To act like it was some conspiracy is ridiculous. In the end, Ruffin’s lowly ranked defense was too much for you to overcome. You finished on a high note, enjoy it. We got beat but get a new DC.

Sorry bud, just the way I saw the B12 CCG. Hey, I was having a hard time not rooting for ya'll over Bama. Found myself disappointed that Bama was able to put up 21 on you in the first quarter.

 

[2300 Nueces]

In my opinion, the main thing that has screwed everything up in regard to BCS, playoffs, CCGs, etc. is Conference Expansion and no cohesiveness in number of teams per conference. If you ask me, I think each conference should be 10 Teams, you play everybody once and team with the best record wins the conference. You then have your 9 Conference games + 3 OOC games for a Total of 12. You could then at that point say have 7 Major Conferences with 10 Teams and the winner of each Conference gets in + 1 At Large for a Total of 8 Teams. I know this will never happen, but wish that is the path they would have taken years back. Moving into the Future though, I like your thoughts on things should evolve.

Your idea wouldn't be bad. It's more like what we used to have with a playoff instead of the crazy bowl format.

 

[oldhorn2]

Remember that OU's best receiver was out for the game. It happens to all teams, but sometimes there is a reason that a team doesnt do as well as expected....Then again, OU does not generally do well in bowl games.

Bell....who did OU get as DC?

 

[outhereincali]

Last year Bama beat Clemson 24-6. In 2016, Clemson beat tOSU 31-0 and Bama beat Washington 24-7. In 2015, Clemson beat OU 34-17 and Bama beat MSU 38-0. In 2017, Oregon beat FSU 59-20. So, taking this years Semifinal results into consideration, 8 out of the last 10 Semifinal games have been decided by Double Digits. Only exceptions were OU / UGA last year and and tOSU / Bama in 2014. It's not like this is some anomaly. By your analysis outhereincali, the playoff has been a waste of Time all 5 years.....

Not at all just this year. Your sooners deserved to be in the playoffs in 2015 and 2017. But Clemson and Bama are so far above everyone else this year. Please note what I said about the talent advantage they have over everyone else. How can we not worry that it's not going to change anytime soon and that scares me.

 

[Belldozer1]

Remember that OU's best receiver was out for the game. It happens to all teams, but sometimes there is a reason that a team doesnt do as well as expected....Then again, OU does not generally do well in bowl games.

Bell....who did OU get as DC?

Nobody yet and if Riley brings in someone with even a schintilla of Texas Tech or Iowa taint on them I may go off in a really bad way.

 

[Belldozer1]

Not at all just this year. Your sooners deserved to be in the playoffs in 2015 and 2017. But Clemson and Bama are so far above everyone else this year. Please note what I said about the talent advantage they have over everyone else. How can we not worry that it's not going to change anytime soon and that scares me.

Hindsight is always 20/20. Everyone thought Bama and Georgia were 1 and 1a a month ago. Like I said you have to honor the process or the knee jerk community will inject their bias every time.

 

[LonghornMM]

Nobody yet and if Riley brings in someone with even a schintilla of Texas Tech or Iowa taint on them I may go off in a really bad way.

One thing that is going to prevent OU from having a dominant defense is how efficient their offense is, if they keep playing the way that they have on offense. It puts the defense on the field for too many plays and the players get tired more-so than teams that don't run an offense like OU does. So to expect for OU to have a dominating defense is unrealistic IMO. Can they show a big improvement though, sure.

 

[Belldozer1]

One thing that is going to prevent OU from having a dominant defense is how efficient their offense is, if they keep playing the way that they have on offense. It puts the defense on the field for too many plays and the players get tired more-so than teams that don't run an offense like OU does. So to expect for OU to have a dominating defense is unrealistic IMO. Can they show a big improvement though, sure.

Agree With your premise MM but I’m not looking for perfection, I’m looking for a defense that only gives up 14 in the 1st q not 28 right off the bat

 

[2300 Nueces]

Agree With your premise MM but I’m not looking for perfection, I’m looking for a defense that only gives up 14 in the 1st q not 28 right off the bat

Then you need a 2-deep of high quality players that can rotate series. It will be harder to recruit the 5 stars because they want all or most of the playing time. I can be done though, especially at OU.

Orlando is a rare gem that can tailor a defense to play the air raid and then take that same talent and stop UGA.

 

[Belldozer1]

At 5 mil per yea Riley better get it figured out either our scheme prevents us from covering rb’s out of the backfield or our linebackers like to do their own thing, primarily our mlb. Hope Riley helps him find a place on the bench. No natural instincts to be found in him that I’ve seen. You can take the boy out if Tech but can you really ever get the Tech mentality out of the boy? We’re fixing to find out.

 

[clob94]

It's going to eight. It was always going to eight. They only started you at four so you'd get used to it .the goal was eight all along.

 

[outhereincali]

At 5 mil per yea Riley better get it figured out either our scheme prevents us from covering rb’s out of the backfield or our linebackers like to do their own thing, primarily our mlb. Hope Riley helps him find a place on the bench. No natural instincts to be found in him that I’ve seen. You can take the boy out if Tech but can you really ever get the Tech mentality out of the boy? We’re fixing to find out.

I doubt, very seriously, they could get him but it wouldn't hurt to ask Brent Venables if he wants to come back to OK I mean all he can do is say no.

 

[oldhorn2]

Nobody yet and if Riley brings in someone with even a schintilla of Texas Tech or Iowa taint on them I may go off in a really bad way.

Hey!....why not go after Charlie Strong?....He might be available pretty soon.

 

[Belldozer1]

I doubt, very seriously, they could get him but it wouldn't hurt to ask Brent Venables if he wants to come back to OK I mean all he can do is say no.

Venables is credited with being the DC of our USC implosion. He’s done well with great recruiting classes at Clemson. As a fan and his past history with OU including his horrible decision to make Tom Wort, s New Braunfels boy his featured MLB, I’d pass and look for a younger coach.

 

[outhereincali]

Venables is credited with being the DC of our USC implosion. He’s done well with great recruiting classes at Clemson. As a fan and his past history with OU including his horrible decision to make Tom Wort, s New Braunfels boy his featured MLB, I’d pass and look for a younger coach.

Belldozer I was coming from a sense of humor.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Oklahoma's offense deserved to be in the playoffs, their defense did not. If blOwU had anything close to a top 20 defense, they would have made that Bama game very interesting. Frankly speaking I think the Bama offense looked bored out there. If they don't shoot themsleves in the foot with penalties I'd probably say they could have scored in the 70's.

The solution, get better coaches and you will attract better players on defense.

 

[DrinkToIt]

Oklahoma's offense deserved to be in the playoffs, their defense did not. If blOwU had anything close to a top 20 defense, they would have made that Bama game very interesting. Frankly speaking I think the Bama offense looked bored out there. If they don't shoot themsleves in the foot with penalties I'd probably say they could have scored in the 70's.

The solution, get better coaches and you will attract better players on defense.

OU would have won with a top 20 defense.

 

[westx]

I guess conventional wisdom that ou and ND didn’t belong. By the blowout standards, bama didn’t belong either. Routed 44-16.

 

[Deweygolfer]

Based on the initial post, I guess this year's entire playoffs was a waste of time. The Championship Game was the biggest beatdown of the 3 games.

 

[outhereincali]

Based on the initial post, I guess this year's entire playoffs was a waste of time. The Championship Game was the biggest beatdown of the 3 games.

Once Trevor Lawrence was inserted as the starter Clemson was 20 points better than everyone else. You watched that game a legend was born. By the time he's through TL is going to be one of the very best qb's in the history of college fb.

 

[HornsRuleU]

The playoff system was created to increase fairness, but it often has the opposite effect. If you go to 8 teams, or 16, the problem will only get worse.

An unintended consequence of the playoff system--and certainly an undesirable one--is that the rich will get richer... and then even richer... and again & again. It's going to become even harder to topple Clemson and Alabama, as they continue to lap the field. The top 2 teams will have more (sanctioned) practices and more games played than the other teams (as well as possibly unsanctioned ones, that it takes to get to the NC game).

That'll be fine and happy for Longhorns when our team finally claws its way back to the top, but until then... In the meantime, expect more boring, seen-it-before matchups, and expect the top 2 (and top 4) teams to break away from the peloton.

In some ways, the BCS was better. (Bracing for tomatoes.)

 

[outhereincali]

The playoff system was created to increase fairness, but it often has the opposite effect. If you go to 8 teams, or 16, the problem will only get worse.

An unintended consequence of the playoff system--and certainly an undesirable one--is that the rich will get richer... and then even richer... and again & again. It's going to become even harder to topple Clemson and Alabama, as they continue to lap the field. The top 2 teams will have more (sanctioned) practices and more games played than the other teams (as well as possibly unsanctioned ones, that it takes to get to the NC game).

That'll be fine and happy for Longhorns when our team finally claws its way back to the top, but until then... In the meantime, expect more boring, seen-it-before matchups, and expect the top 2 (and top 4) teams to break away from the peloton.

In some ways, the BCS was better. (Bracing for tomatoes.)

Probably so, but the Alabama success story ended last night. A Nick Saban team will not win another nc. In fact I don't think they'll make the playoffs next year. We all watched the game and for the first time Alabama was flustered.