I believe in the playoff system but

[westx]

Probably so, but the Alabama success story ended last night. A Nick Saban team will not win another nc. In fact I don't think they'll make the playoffs next year. We all watched the game and for the first time Alabama was flustered.

It was fun to watch. I like Saban, but I have had alabama fatigue for so many years. I don’t know yet how to interpret it, but, even though bama got their butts kicked, they had similar stats. Bama ran the ball at will on Clemson. I think a small part of is that it has just gotten difficult to replace his his staff year in and year out and then to redevelop new staff to his standards. The differnce last night was the capitulation. I also think that Saban’s aggressiveness hurt them. The fake field goal and the other 4 th down fails affected the game. Clemson still would have won, but maybe not blown out.

 

[elcapitan009]

I think tOSU is a better team than most think. The loss to Purdue stung but 9 out of 10 teams they steam roll the boilermakers. No pun intended. At the end of the day, it’s not a perfect system, but ND showed they did not belong. Was UGA or tOSU number 5?

ND had a closer loss than Bama, no?

 

[HornsRuleU]

Probably so, but the Alabama success story ended last night. A Nick Saban team will not win another nc. In fact I don't think they'll make the playoffs next year. We all watched the game and for the first time Alabama was flustered.

Let's revisit this quote after Saban's career is over. Or even in a year.

 

[elcapitan009]

Based on the initial post, I guess this year's entire playoffs was a waste of time. The Championship Game was the biggest beatdown of the 3 games.

Get out of here with your antilogic logic

 

[HornsRuleU]

ND had a closer loss than Bama, no?

Not really. In raw points, yes, but in terms of beatdown, 44-16 is a lot closer game than 30-3.

Bama tasted the EZ twice, kept it close for a half and a little more, and briefly led. The stats show that, too.

Notre Dame just got blown off the field. They kept it close for a quarter.

Not that it matters.

 

[2300 Nueces]

A playoff is the only way to go.... the problem being the talking heads who skew thought on purpose. TV contracts dictate that the $ec be the best conference so these idiots talk up the $ec. Well, over the last week or so their construct was torn down. The best way going forward would be a playoff consisting of 4-8 conferences with the champions earning a birth to the playoff. The talking heads become spectators, no longer anointing who is the best.

 

[HornsRuleU]

A playoff is the only way to go.... the problem being the talking heads who skew thought on purpose. TV contracts dictate that the $ec be the best conference so these idiots talk up the $ec. Well, over the last week or so their construct was torn down. The best way going forward would be a playoff consisting of 4-8 conferences with the champions earning a birth to the playoff. The talking heads become spectators, no longer anointing who is the best.

If that happens, teams that keep being #2 or #3 in their conference will start looking around, to switch to another conference where the path is easier. That's hardly the "best way forward" in my opinion, unless you want CFB to be NFL-Lite.

Expanding the playoff system has benefits, but causes some serious harms to CFB as a whole, not to mention student-athletes.

We're already seeing players opt out of bowls. Imagine if a playoff added 3 or 4 extra games to the season, plus the practices for each one. That's a lot of potential for injury for someone staring at a potential NFL signing bonus.

 

[2300 Nueces]

If that happens, teams that keep being #2 or #3 in their conference will start looking around, to switch to another conference where the path is easier. That's hardly the "best way forward" in my opinion, unless you want CFB to be NFL-Lite.

Expanding the playoff system has benefits, but causes some serious harms to CFB as a whole, not to mention student-athletes.

We're already seeing players opt out of bowls. Imagine if a playoff added 3 or 4 extra games to the season, plus the practices for each one. That's a lot of potential for injury for someone staring at a potential NFL signing bonus.

The teams are bound by GOR agreements, they won't leave their respective conference unless allowed. Players won't opt out of games that matter.

 

[HornsRuleU]

The teams are bound by GOR agreements, they won't leave their respective conference unless allowed. Players won't opt out of games that matter.

Until allowed, or until an option is so appealing that negotiation is warranted.

Every grant-of-rights agreement expires eventually (unless schools keep being willing to renew it). Schools and conferences are constantly considering options & contingency plans. They're not going to wait until 2023, when the B1G's expires, or June 2025, when the B12's does.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Until allowed, or until an option is so appealing that negotiation is warranted.

Every grant-of-rights agreement expires eventually (unless schools keep being willing to renew it). Schools and conferences are constantly considering options & contingency plans. They're not going to wait until 2023, when the B1G's expires, or June 2025, when the B12's does.

Ya, gotta pull your weight.

 

[Deweygolfer]

Expanding the playoff system has benefits, but causes some serious harms to CFB as a whole, not to mention student-athletes.

We're already seeing players opt out of bowls. Imagine if a playoff added 3 or 4 extra games to the season, plus the practices for each one. That's a lot of potential for injury for someone staring at a potential NFL signing bonus.

This is the argument I have never understood. Granted not nearly as many FCS players go on to the NFL, but every year the 2 Finalists end up playing 15 games, heck in 2014 North Dakota State played 16 games.

 

[ASURAM2010]

This is the argument I have never understood. Granted not nearly as many FCS players go on to the NFL, but every year the 2 Finalists end up playing 15 games, heck in 2014 North Dakota State played 16 games.

Heck the Texas highschool state champion played 15 games or maybe even 16

 

[Deweygolfer]

Heck the Texas highschool state champion played 15 games or maybe even 16

Yep, they do every year.

 

[HornsRuleU]

This is the argument I have never understood. Granted not nearly as many FCS players go on to the NFL, but every year the 2 Finalists end up playing 15 games, heck in 2014 North Dakota State played 16 games.

There's a limit to what student-athletes can be expected to do, and still remain healthy and be decent students. If you're going to compete with the Stanford's, Michigan's and Notre Dame's of the world, you're going to have to limit your season length, and even limit the number of practices.

As for the health of their players, maybe the Faculty Senate at ND State isn't doing their job?

What ND State does, though, doesn't change the calculus of how long the season can be in the FBS. There's a limit there, as long as these teams are connected to schools with prestigious academic reputations. Each of those schools is going to protect its reputation, and try to limit its liability, even if they don't always look out for the long-term interests of the student-athletes that they use.

 

[2300 Nueces]

There's a limit to what student-athletes can be expected to do, and still remain healthy and be decent students. If you're going to compete with the Stanford's, Michigan's and Notre Dame's of the world, you're going to have to limit your season length, and even limit the number of practices.

As for the health of their players, maybe the Faculty Senate at ND State isn't doing their job?

What ND State does, though, doesn't change the calculus of how long the season can be in the FBS. There's a limit there, as long as these teams are connected to schools with prestigious academic reputations. Each of those schools is going to protect its reputation, and try to limit its liability, even if they don't always look out for the long-term interests of the student-athletes that they use.

Play 1-2 ooc games and 9 conference games. The rest can be for an 8 game playoff. We could play one tuneup, 9 conference games, and aggy at the end or 2 tuneups b4 the season begins.

 

[Scholz]

Hell just add 2 teams to the playoffs. Give the top 2 a bye. The 7th ranked team is not going to have as big a gripe as the 5th getting left out.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Hell just add 2 teams to the playoffs. Give the top 2 a bye. The 7th ranked team is not going to have as big a gripe as the 5th getting left out.

Maybe have a BB type bracket like in the Sweet 16 type or start like they do at the beginning of the bracket

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

you know Scholz,,, Win or Go Home stuff

 

[Son of Wasatch]

There is a lot of time between Thanksgiving and new years where 2 weeks of games are played and another 3 weeks on thing. That is 5 weeks of possible playoffs where school is only slightly bothered. And lets face it, finals are just as impacted by conference title game as they would be by the playoffs.

Health factor is a non-factor, I have yet to see any concrete evidence of health being a concern on any level by extending a season up to 16 games. Fatigue isn't a factor, after about 10 weeks practice becomes totally routine and games are only 4 hours long.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Venables is credited with being the DC of our USC implosion.

I thought Pelini was the primary DC that season. Maybe I'm misremembering. I thought Venables took the fall for the lackluster Ds that followed that season.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Probably so, but the Alabama success story ended last night. A Nick Saban team will not win another nc. In fact I don't think they'll make the playoffs next year. We all watched the game and for the first time Alabama was flustered.

I wouldn't count out the guy who has won six national championships and played in four straight title games just yet. Watch him find a better DC and dominate again. Could very well happen.

 

[Belldozer1]

I thought Pelini was the primary DC that season. Maybe I'm misremembering. I thought Venables took the fall for the lackluster Ds that followed that season.

IIRC Pelini was a secondary coach with OU

 

[HornsRuleU]

Texas would've gone to the Sugar Bowl no matter what the outcome of the CCG. There's no way a 3 loss team makes it into the playoff. Texas beats OU again, and they represent the Big 12 in the Sugar.

Financially, it was MUCH better for the B12 for OU to win that game. Two teams in top bowls instead of one.

I'm not saying the refs were biased, but there were means, motive & opportunity. And the results do suggest strong bias. 13 penalties for 128 yards vs. 5 for 60. Oh, well.

 

[HornDrummer]

The problem has and will continue to be non-conference games. Why are they necessary? Any reason other than $$ is bs in my opinion.

You go to 8 Div I conferences. Give everybody 1 preseason (call it a scrimmage, whatever), then it’s game on with your conference schedule starting the first weekend of Sept. Every conference has 2 divisions with a rotating schedule (the way the B12 used to be). That’s 8-9 regular season games at most, a bye week, plus a CCG. Done by early to mid November.

Use the bowls as your 8 team playoff, call it good.

 

[HornsRuleU]

The problem has and will continue to be non-conference games. Why are they necessary? Any reason other than $$ is bs in my opinion.

You go to 8 Div I conferences. Give everybody 1 preseason (call it a scrimmage, whatever), then it’s game on with your conference schedule starting the first weekend of Sept. Every conference has 2 divisions with a rotating schedule (the way the B12 used to be). That’s 8-9 regular season games at most, a bye week, plus a CCG. Done by early to mid November.

Use the bowls as your 8 team playoff, call it good.

Any suggestion that reduces $$$ to schools that are in the red already is a non-starter.

 

[HornDrummer]

I didn’t say it would ever happen. I just said it’s what SHOULD happen.

 

[HornsRuleU]

I keep seeing that phrase. "Here's what should happen with CFB."

There are so many different ideas about what "should happen" with FBS football.

Most people are only thinking about what they'd enjoy most, and not about the demands on student-athletes or universities (S, M, L, XL). Few consumers of CFB are thinking about the long-term effects of playing such a brutal sport. And few are happy with the trend of changes to the sport.

There is no outcome that we all prefer. I'm not sure there's one that is everyone's best interests.

But we should stop calling it FBS. It's Division 1. And it's the Red River Shootout!