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It's over and here's why...

clob94

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Look---- it just didn't work. We all see it. Even the most ardent fans of Charlie from day one see it now. It's a tough job suited to only a select few men. There's no shame in his failure. I honestly believe he did his best. I really do. But some men's "best" aren't good enough here.

He should be let go today. We should start the healing process. Forcing Charlie to stay on the sidelines for any more games accomplishes nothing and is a zero sum game. Allow me to explain-


1. Letting Charlie go tomorrow sends a signal to all recruits that we are going in a different direction. This will scare some off--- but it also gives us time to try and woo them back. Waiting until the last week of November gives us a shorter time frame to change these kids minds.
2. Keeping Charlie on the sidelines ruins his opportunities to get out there and start looking for a job. Do you think he WANTS 3 more losses on his head coaching resume? Not to mention-- it's humiliating to stand out there and get whipped.
3. Having Charlie gone allows the remaining coordinators an opportunity to coach for their jobs (and impress the next staff) or start searching or other jobs--- or perhaps catch the eye of another program.
4. It gives Texas a chance to have more TIME to find that RIGHT FIT at coach. Back door deals do happen (for those of you that don't believe that) and the more time we have to get these back room deals brewing-- the better our odds of landing the man for the job.
5. Because LSU is already on the prowl--- they are no joke. They've got oodles of talent and CAN lure away a coach that is on our radar. Fight fire with fire.

We all know he's gone. We know it. Perrin knows it-- Fenves knows it-- Admiral McRaven knows it-- the BOR know it--- Charlie knows it. So just do it. Put the man out of his misery. Fault him all you wish for not being able to build a football team in Austin---- but he is a good man. He deserves a bullet to the head instead of 15 to the gut.

Do him that favor at least.
 
I agree, if they all made up their mind just move on from strong. We need to get the search under way for a real head coach.
 
Get some stud 5th year grad players who also have good team leadership traits and work ethic. The 2 OU players have saved aggy so far.
 
Texas can afford the best coaches in the country. No more political/token hires.
 
In the history of Longhorn football have they ever let go of a coach in Mid-season?Yes,its dismal but that is not the way Texas does business. Strong has worked hard,tired hard but its not working out for him and Texas is not going anywhere this season.If he is to leave,should be done at the end of season and ask any coach. In my opinion to humiliate the man and the players would do more harm than good,bite the bullet.
 
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In the history of Longhorn football have they ever let go of a coach in Mid-season?Yes,its dismal but that is not the way Texas does business. Strong has worked hard,tired hard but its not working out for him and Texas is not going anywhere this season.If he is to leave,should be done at the end of season and ask any coach. In my opinion to humiliate the man and the players would do more harm than good,bite the bullet.
Cotton, I respect your opinion but let me ask you this-----

If your doctor came to you and said "Cotton, those cataracts have got to go. Your vision is just going to get worse and worse with each passing day until we fix it. You have a greater chance each day to have a bad wreck and hurt yourself or someone around you. Let's get it done now."
And your response is "Well doc, I'd like to but, man, my wife and I are going on this great cruise to Alaska to see the glaciers and polar bears and, I just would prefer to wait until after my trip to recover.....".
The doc says "Your vision won't be fully healed by the time you go, but it'll be just a tiny bit better than it is right now, but if you wait, by then it'll probably be worse...".

Do you still opt to WAIT for the surgery? Or do you get the inevitable out of the way, enjoy your cruise to the best of your ability, and be well on the mend by the time you get home?
 
Would there be any backlash from black players and recruits which comprise 80% of your team if you let him go Now? Do black coaches Matter?They just might have a different thought pattern on this subject matter besides the football record,this is college and Charlie I believe has instilled some good values in his players. I would just let the season play out.
 
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If we let him go mid season who is going to take his place. I think Gilbert and Traylor are the only ones with head coaching experience or do you go with Charlie Williams who has been around forever and could be a stablizing force. Either way you are down a coach mid season
 
So what fire strong, and promote a quality control GA to a position coach? That's not smart. LSU did it because they had Orgeron and they didn't want a repeat of last year. It doesn't do us any good this year.
 
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Excellent points. I think we should seek coaches behind the scenes and announce Chuck's departure in November, followed by the introduction of our new HC in early December.
 
So what fire strong, and promote a quality control GA to a position coach? That's not smart. LSU did it because they had Orgeron and they didn't want a repeat of last year. It doesn't do us any good this year.

It lets Texas openly seek other coaches. Mess around too long and coaches will start getting offered extensions which could complicate things.
 
It lets Texas openly seek other coaches. Mess around too long and coaches will start getting offered extensions which could complicate things.

Doesn't quite work that way. Everyone knows after today's performance Strong is dead man walking. Any coach on our short list has a job and will deny interest in the Texas job. What is going to happen is representatives for Texas will reach out to representatives of Coaches to see if there is an interest. If its done right Strong will be let go the Monday after the last day and by the next week the new coach will be hired.
 
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Doesn't quite work that way. Everyone knows after today's performance Strong is dead man walking. Any coach on our short list has a job and will deny interest in the Texas job. What is going to happen is representatives for Texas will reach out to representatives of Coaches to see if there is an interest. If its done right Strong will be let go the Monday after the last day and by the next week the new coach will be hired.
I don't know if understand the need to hurry. Other coaches will be distracted from their current jobs, so they would want to wait until their season is over anyway. I am not convinced that the recruiting effect would be worth firing him mid-season. The main reason I would be against a mid-season firing this season is that we have so much instability in the coaching staff in addition to the poor performance. We have a demoted DC and a young inexperienced OC that just wouldn't be fair to him (Gilbert). As difficult as the situation is, I believe he should finish out the season.
 
For PR reasons Texas needs to let the year play out, or at least wait until a few more losses accumulate. Remember, we live in a PC world. Whether Strong gets fired today or three weeks from now doesn't make a difference.
 
In the history of Longhorn football have they ever let go of a coach in Mid-season?Yes,its dismal but that is not the way Texas does business. Strong has worked hard,tired hard but its not working out for him and Texas is not going anywhere this season.If he is to leave,should be done at the end of season and ask any coach. In my opinion to humiliate the man and the players would do more harm than good,bite the bullet.

Charlie Strong deserves to be treated with respect and decency. I happen to agree with, clob94, but I certainly understand your concerns. Perhaps the best thing to do would be for Fenves and/or Perrin to meet with Strong today and explain to him that we're moving in a different direction and will begin the process of searching for his replacement immediately. Then simply ask him if he'd prefer to go ahead and part ways now or coach out the string. Either way I think it's time to announce publicly that Strong will not be returning in 2017. The mounting pressure and uncertainty is unhealthy for everyone involved. It's a distraction for these players. It's time to relieve that pressure and announce Charlie isn't coming back.
 
Charlie Strong deserves to be treated with respect and decency. I happen to agree with, clob94, but I certainly understand your concerns. Perhaps the best thing to do would be for Fenves and/or Perrin to meet with Strong today and explain to him that we're moving in a different direction and will begin the process of searching for his replacement immediately. Then simply ask him if he'd prefer to go ahead and part ways now or coach out the string. Either way I think it's time to announce publicly that Strong will not be returning in 2017. The mounting pressure and uncertainty is unhealthy for everyone involved. It's a distraction for these players. It's time to relieve that pressure and announce Charlie isn't coming back.
Good point
 
3. Having Charlie gone allows the remaining coordinators an opportunity to coach for their jobs (and impress the next staff) or start searching or other jobs--- or perhaps catch the eye of another program.

Strong as HC has been terrible. But who's done a better job in recent weeks: Strong the DC or Gilbert the OC? :( Against KSU in the 2nd half, the D gave up a FG and had 3 turnovers, all for naught. How about the ST coach? :( I mostly agree with you, but I don't think anyone on this staff is worthy of an interim HC gig. Might as well let Charlie finish out and fire him after the 12th game.
 
Texas can afford the best coaches in the country. No more political/token hires.

Charlie wasn't my first choice, but I wasn't disappointed with the hire either. He's done a poor job, and wasn't the best fit - Florida or Miami seemed like a more natural fit for him. But the problem was not his resume or credentials. As good/better than Muschamp, Smart, and others who recently landed jobs.

Besides if Strong is an affirmative action hire, what does that make Perrin as an AD hire?
 
For PR reasons Texas needs to let the year play out, or at least wait until a few more losses accumulate. Remember, we live in a PC world. Whether Strong gets fired today or three weeks from now doesn't make a difference.
Please explain what you mean.
 
Charlie wasn't my first choice, but I wasn't disappointed with the hire either. He's done a poor job, and wasn't the best fit - Florida or Miami seemed like a more natural fit for him. But the problem was not his resume or credentials. As good/better than Muschamp, Smart, and others who recently landed jobs.

Besides if Strong is an affirmative action hire, what does that make Perrin as an AD hire?
Texas AD Perrin is a placeholder. Everyone agrees that he should be replaced. I do not know how he got tagged as the interim Texas AD.
 
Charlie Strong deserves to be treated with respect and decency. I happen to agree with, clob94, but I certainly understand your concerns. Perhaps the best thing to do would be for Fenves and/or Perrin to meet with Strong today and explain to him that we're moving in a different direction and will begin the process of searching for his replacement immediately. Then simply ask him if he'd prefer to go ahead and part ways now or coach out the string. Either way I think it's time to announce publicly that Strong will not be returning in 2017. The mounting pressure and uncertainty is unhealthy for everyone involved. It's a distraction for these players. It's time to relieve that pressure and announce Charlie isn't coming back.
Only issue,it is more likely his replacement is coaching right now and would not want to address any movement until after the season.
 
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Only issue,it is more likely his replacement is coaching right now and would not want to address any movement until after the season.

Of course not. I really don't see how firing Charlie now impacts that in any way though.
 
If Charlie got fired right now who would ensure that the players aren't wearing earrings going forward?
 
It's over for Strong. Period. Just a question. What if Strong wins the last 5 games and the bowl game. Does he get a opportunity to stay or still get the axe. I would say axe but it depends on how bad he beats the other teams.
 
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