Major blunder leads to OK St. Loss

[Bwilk55]

With a 3 point lead, 4 secs remained and OKst lined up near mid-field. Randolph takes the snap, fires a deep pass out of bounds and time expires. The only issue, no WR was in the area, in fact, OK St. left all 10 players in to block. Intentional grounding at the spot, ball goes to central michigan who scores on an incredible hail mary/hitch and ladder type play. C Mich wins 30-27.

What a joke. All they had to do was run a WR down the sideline near the pass.

Mike Perrera (ref) did state that the game should have ended after the penalty, so this could get interesting.

 

[outhereincali]

Were the zebras from Central Michigan's conference?

However, I'm not surprised OSU was the worst 10/3 team in the history of fb last year. They had a weak non con schedule. The zebras gifted them against us and especially KSU last year. They barely beat WV and ISU. The only thing of note they did was beat TCU. They were finally exposed for the overrated team they were against Baylor and OK and the SB.

This all bodes for an OSU payback on 10/1 in Stillwater.

 

[Bama_Teacher_inTX]

Were the zebras from Central Michigan's conference?

However, I'm not surprised OSU was the worst 10/3 team in the history of fb last year. They had a weak non con schedule. The zebras gifted them against us and especially KSU last year. They barely beat WV and ISU. The only thing of note they did was beat TCU. They were finally exposed for the overrated team they were against Baylor and OK and the SB.

This all bodes for an OSU payback on 10/1 in Stillwater.

Oklahoma State is a joke. Ya they got screwed, but several Big 12 teams are gonna beat that ass this year. Including Texas.

 

[wadster]

Rudolph had all day, and I mean ALL day to throw and he still was not accurate. OSU was 1-10 on 3rd downs last I saw. They play like this and they're 6-6.

 

[Bwilk55]

http://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=17513513

 

[RoboCocks21]

So I have never thought much of okie lite this year but there are tons of guys on here saying we would lose to them this year or it was a toss up....

 

[Cotton #12]

That play should go down as one of the best ending game plays on all time and it was done with no time on the clock It was a hail mary with a lateral.OSU fans had the dessert pulled off the table with fork in hand.

 

[TexExSpur]

Luck ran out

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Unbelievable. But, I won't rag on them. We haven't won our game against UTEP yet. Last week, we picked on A&M for blowing a big lead & going to OT. Then, we did the same thing. However, Notre Dame is looking dominant today.

 

[Bass Elder]

crap like that happens when you let a team like Central Michigan hang around...

 

[Elwood J.]

Why throw the ball at all in that situation? Why not just take a knee, have the qb fall on it?

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I thought the refs screwed us out of a win last year against them. So my only thought is: KARMA IS A BITCH

 

[obviouslyZRH]

I thought the refs screwed us out of a win last year against them. So my only thought is: KARMA IS A BITCH

Didn't the refs screw OSU out of a win against us in 2012? I mean, not as obvious a blunder of a call, but I remember there was some controversy on whether a touchdown of ours crossed the plane.

 

[Bama_Teacher_inTX]

Didn't the refs screw OSU out of a win against us in 2012? I mean, not as obvious a blunder of a call, but I remember there was some controversy on whether a touchdown of ours crossed the plane.

If I remember correctly, Burgeron had the ball knocked out of his hands before he crossed the goal line, but there was no clear recovery by OSU. Therefore the refs could not award OSU the ball because there was no way to determine they recovered the fumble.

 

[Bwilk55]

Why throw the ball at all in that situation? Why not just take a knee, have the qb fall on it?

They wouldn't have run off enough time taking a knee. They could have had an athlete take the snap and run backwards but you still risk the tackle occurring before 4 seconds ran off.

 

[outhereincali]

Did you hear that the MAC has suspended their zebras who did the OSU game? Of course you do realize that Central Michigan is not going to forfeit their game.

 

[ryan_sublett]

It's funny to me that the NCAA retroactively wipes wins and championships away from the recored book all the time. Yet something like this happens and no one does anything. I know this won't work for all cases but in this case should be easy to say ok play shouldn't of happened we'll award the win to ok state.

 

[PushupMan]

The referees certainly got the call wrong under the rules as written. I have heard that not only the MAC on-field officials but also the Big XII officials in the replay booth were suspended for two games for not catching the error.

I am of the opinion that the rule is a bad rule, and I hope the NCAA modifies the rule to make what the MAC officials chose to do as the correct ruling. The game should not end if the team that is ahead commits a penalty as the clock expires.

 

[Bwilk55]

The referees certainly got the call wrong under the rules as written. I have heard that not only the MAC on-field officials but also the Big XII officials in the replay booth were suspended for two games for not catching the error.

I am of the opinion that the rule is a bad rule, and I hope the NCAA modifies the rule to make what the MAC officials chose to do as the correct ruling. The game should not end if the team that is ahead commits a penalty as the clock expires.

I agree in that it would prevent a team doing exactly what OK State did. By running an intentional illegal grounding play they took advantage of A.)throwing a deep pass to run out the clock while also B.) keeping all 10 players in to protect the QB. Basically they chose to run an illegal play to run out the clock knowing that it would not affect them.

However, the rule rarely comes into play. It really only matters in the exact situation that OK St was in. If there is any other penalty, the down is repeated and the team with the ball can just take a knee. In the case of intentional grounding, the same thing happens if it is 3rd down or earlier. With the rule change, teams couldn't intentionally ground the ball on 4th down. It just wouldn't really have much impact. Teams would be forced to either, have someone run out the clock and then get tackled, punt a deep one out of bounds, or throw a deep pass with a WR in the area. I'd choose to throw a deep pass with 1 WR nearby.

 

[bubba2023]

That's why the refs botched it. Logic would tell you that you can't gain advantage by committing a penalty, but the rule was written as that you could. It's a rule that probably hasn't even been tested in some time, as the perfect storm would have to occur for it to even be an issue. They may change it really doesn't make a difference. If you are ever in that situation you could just roll the QB outside the box to avoid the grounding.

The refs not knowing the rule is one thing, as I imagine every obscure scenario isn't known by lots of refs, but huddling up and talking it over and no one having the bright idea of maybe consulting the rule book is pretty ridiculous. Those refs should be fired.

 

[Belldozer1]

I agree in that it would prevent a team doing exactly what OK State did. By running an intentional illegal grounding play they took advantage of A.)throwing a deep pass to run out the clock while also B.) keeping all 10 players in to protect the QB. Basically they chose to run an illegal play to run out the clock knowing that it would not affect them.

However, the rule rarely comes into play. It really only matters in the exact situation that OK St was in. If there is any other penalty, the down is repeated and the team with the ball can just take a knee. In the case of intentional grounding, the same thing happens if it is 3rd down or earlier. With the rule change, teams couldn't intentionally ground the ball on 4th down. It just wouldn't really have much impact. Teams would be forced to either, have someone run out the clock and then get tackled, punt a deep one out of bounds, or throw a deep pass with a WR in the area. I'd choose to throw a deep pass with 1 WR nearby.

In Stoops press conference he was asked about this call and he said he has the same play for that situation but has a receiver down that sideline but he did say he felt that OSU got a bad call.