Marquis Goodwin has clots in legs and lungs

[speedstrength]

Athletes aren't going to attribute these heart and blood clot issues to 'chance'.

No there multiple etiologies for a given condition but in some cases there are no known causes of clots, cerebral vascular events, and cardiac arrests.

If you want to do some reading on cardiac events in young athletes pre-covid here is some good data
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/21/1196

and for cerebral vascular events
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/028418501127346792?journalCode=iard20

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

No there multiple etiologies for a given condition but in some cases there are no known causes of clots, cerebral vascular events, and cardiac arrests.

If you want to do some reading on cardiac events in young athletes pre-covid here is some good data
https://bjsm.bmj.com/content/55/21/1196

and for cerebral vascular events
https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/028418501127346792?journalCode=iard20

None of this is in my wheelhouse of knowledge but like most, there's enough lies and corruption involved that I honestly don't trust any public health professionals.

This leads me to research everything to the best of my abilities so I can form my own opinion. According to CDC, they say mayo/pericarditis (yeah, I butchered it) is a known side effect with mrna Vax, particularly the 2nd shot. CDC says it is considered rare in young men but doesn't give any numbers.

What would they consider rare? I think the number of vaccinations were around 14billion world wide so are we talking 1 in a million or like 1 in 100k people? I have no clue.

Personally my problem isn't with an experimental vaccine, it's with government mandating an experimental treatment. I'm all for the right to try and opting in, just not forced.

 

[speedstrength]

None of this is in my wheelhouse of knowledge but like most, there's enough lies and corruption involved that I honestly don't trust any public health professionals.

This leads me to research everything to the best of my abilities so I can form my own opinion. According to CDC, they say mayo/pericarditis (yeah, I butchered it) is a known side effect with mrna Vax, particularly the 2nd shot. CDC says it is considered rare in young men but doesn't give any numbers.

What would they consider rare? I think the number of vaccinations were around 14billion world wide so are we talking 1 in a million or like 1 in 100k people? I have no clue.

Personally my problem isn't with an experimental vaccine, it's with government mandating an experimental treatment. I'm all for the right to try and opting in, just not forced.

There have been over 230 million people in the US who have received at least 1 dose of the vaccine. There have been numerous studies looking at the various different side effects. All Covid studies are open access so all you have to do is google. Most is above the 1 in 1 million range. There is plenty of data and lots of published research on the topic.

IF you want you can go look at the raw data
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

 

[westx]

VAERS is not remotely representative of the true adverse event profile of the covid vax. It is a voluntary reporting system that is tedious for the general public and the majority of patients do not report nor do their providers.

 

[Etlonghorn]

None of this is in my wheelhouse of knowledge but like most, there's enough lies and corruption involved that I honestly don't trust any public health professionals.
Personally my problem isn't with an experimental vaccine, it's with government mandating an experimental treatment. I'm all for the right to try and opting in, just not forced.

Your opening and your closing sum up this whole mess. I think about 90% of the masses think the same way. Most people don’t have a problem with an experimental medicine. People make that choice all the time with experimental treatments for cancer and a host of other things. The difference is they know up front it’s experimental. No lies, no BS. You make the choice. That didn’t happen.

 

[Belldozer1]

The Liberals want to trust the science or doctor until it's a scientist or doctor that says something that doesn't fit their narrative.

or when they want to promote gender reassigment because people were born the "wrong" sex

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

There have been over 230 million people in the US who have received at least 1 dose of the vaccine. There have been numerous studies looking at the various different side effects. All Covid studies are open access so all you have to do is google. Most is above the 1 in 1 million range. There is plenty of data and lots of published research on the topic.

IF you want you can go look at the raw data
https://vaers.hhs.gov/data.html

Researching is what I do for all medical and political things. You obviously have more insight into medical research and data than I do so I was asking if you know a round about % that the cdc would label as a "rare" side effect?
Not a gotcha question or arguing any points made in the thread, I'm asking genuinely for opinions. Specifically according to cdc.

 

[JustAHorn88]

I sincerely apologize for the giving the impression that I was playing gotcha with this issue.

I was simply addressing a comment that I perceived to hold a "read 'em and weep" attitude towards the issue of vaccines potentially causing harm and dismissing it out of hand. The original paper did not address the issue of young and otherwise healthy individuals developing blood clots etc.

While these cases may indeed be rare and statistically insignificant, they are quite significant to families who watch a loved one suffer from blood clots and other issues after being given the COVID-19 vaccine.

 

[westx]

Lmao!

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

I sincerely apologize for the giving the impression that I was playing gotcha with this issue.

I was simply addressing a comment that I perceived to hold a "read 'em and weep" attitude towards the issue of vaccines potentially causing harm and dismissing it out of hand. The original paper did not address the issue of young and otherwise healthy individuals developing blood clots etc.

While these cases may indeed be rare and statistically insignificant, they are quite significant to families who watch a loved one suffer from blood clots and other issues after being given the COVID-19 vaccine.

Everything is relative.

I just wish important things such as medicine were as transparent as possible but everything involved with mrna has been shrouded in secrecy, back door corruption with politicians, deplatforming opposing alternate opinions ect...

I totally get the argument about misleading information but how many times have the expert majority opinion been wrong about med treatments whether unintentional or malicious.....a ton. People have complications with common stuff like Tylenol and halls cough drops every year but we know the risk and choose to accept or not.

This shot just feels different. Too much shady stuff involved. I chose no. My wife chose no. We chose no for our children. My parents both got a couple shots and for their age and conditions I believe they made the right choice at the time. Give us the cold hard non-cherry picked data and we adults will weigh the pros and cons.

 

[Etlonghorn]

I totally get the argument about misleading information but how many times have the expert majority opinion been wrong about med treatments whether unintentional or malicious.....a ton.

You mean like leeches being an acceptable medical treatment?

 

[GuaranteedFresh!]

You mean like leeches being an acceptable medical treatment?

I was leaning more towards lobotomy or alcohol miracle drug but that would qualify as a no for me.

Yes, I know leeches anticoagulant juices can help when reattaching fingers ect... but nope. I'll choose nubs

 

[clob94]

@speedstrength for some reason I can't link the article here, and since I can't post pictures- I had to resort to twitter-
But tell me what your opinion is on this (what appears to be) internal Pfizer memo leaked yesterday regarding myocarditis cases in young men.

 

[2300 Nueces]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/healt...ons-than-other-vaccines-5423426?welcomeuser=1

 

[Etlonghorn]

Nueces, you and Clob can’t be posting that factual data s$&t up in here! You’re gonna hurt some feelings and end up banned. Or worse, they’ll be calling you out like they did Clob. Good thing he didn’t sign that release.

 

[clob94]

https://www.theepochtimes.com/healt...ons-than-other-vaccines-5423426?welcomeuser=1

Let's play a game.

I'm going to take out my 22 Remington and put a bullet in you.
But, there's no cause for alarm.
Why? Because I'm going to shoot you somewhere that has only a 0.3% chance of killing you. That's it. Just a 0.3% chance.
There's a 99.7% chance that you'll be just fine.
You're cool with me shooting you with this bullet....... right?

No?

So where does that number need to be?
0.1% chance of dying from my bullet?
Surely you'd let me pop you in the ass cheek with a 99.9% chance of surviving being shot...... right?

No?
How about a 0.03% chance of dying. Now we BOTH know you'd let me put a bullet in you if you knew you had a 99.97% chance of survival..... right?

Check ot out-- what if you live in the South Side of Chicago and I said "if you let me shoot you, there's a 99.97% chance that you won't get shot by anybody else."
Now do you do it?

 

[2300 Nueces]

Subclinical Heart Damage More Prevalent Than Thought After Moderna Vaccination: Study

Whoops, this won't fall in line with the spoon fed propaganda forced by the American left. Read at your own risk of freedom.

Money shot: “According to current knowledge, the cardiac muscle can’t regenerate, or only to a very limited degree at best. So it’s possible that repeated booster vaccinations every year could cause moderate damage to the heart muscle cells,” University Hospital Basel professor Christian Muller, a cardiologist and the lead researcher, said in a statement.

Christian Muller will have to be canceled. His name is offensive, "Christian", and he's out of Fouchi's sphere of influence.

As Clob said above, initially it's only 2-3% that suffer heart damage so what's the big deal? Isn't it worth it to save the .000001% that die from Covid? But ya, keep taking that booster, you might get it up to 10 - 20%.

 

[EWNHorn]

The research says only 1-5 percent of Lymes patients develop cartis...........I've had my pacer for almost 18 years now........

 

[speedstrength]

@speedstrength for some reason I can't link the article here, and since I can't post pictures- I had to resort to twitter-
But tell me what your opinion is on this (what appears to be) internal Pfizer memo leaked yesterday regarding myocarditis cases in young men.

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I did what I thought was a pretty simple study in my Doc program and got interviewed about the results. The person who did the write up totally botched what I said. It wasn't even close so I just started to go look for the original papers. Don't rely on screen shots from twitter. Go to google scholar and actually read the papers. All of the Covid stuff is open access so anyone can read it.

So what that guy posed is a gross misrepresentation of the data. It is not likely that vaccines cause myocarditis. In fact it is extremely rare.

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart. There are lots of causes of myocarditis and the main culprit is infections. There is also a risk of getting myocarditis from any vaccine but those cases are extremely rare. Myocarditis was observed in the clinical trials and was reported on. They weren't hiding anything. It was in the vaccine literature. IF you do clinical trials for any vaccine you will likely see Myocarditis.

The rate for the COVID vaccine was ~12.6 per million in people 12-39 years old.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/ful...CMg_e0xDuImz9l6ajQ1qFa5g0rlOC5KIeqdlXJQlFqj7s

That works out to .0000126%

The rates of Myocarditis caused by the Virus is much higher than that. Don't have time to find too much digging but an analysis of 6846 male patients form ages 12-17 had a rate of Myocarditis had a rate of 876 cases per million. So even though 12-17 is the highest risk subgroup there is almost a 6x greater rate of myocarditis with the infection vs taking the vaccine.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/27/2021.07.23.21260998.full.pdf

The other big misrepresentation is the science behind mRNA. It was discovered in the 60's and they started doing clinical trials for vaccines in 1987. There is an issue with a lot of the research sitting behind pay walls so you would have to go to a university library to avoid paying access fees. The NIH does have a lot of the research that they funded as open access. This technology will revolutionize cancer treatments. We are talking about targeted drugs that will basically seek out and destroy tumors. It will save people who are currently dying using current treatment methods. I am concerned that people will refuse safe and effective treatment because they don't understand the science.

https://covid19.nih.gov/nih-strategic-response-covid-19/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines
https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2022/mrna-vaccines-to-treat-cancer

 

[clob94]

I did what I thought was a pretty simple study in my Doc program and got interviewed about the results. The person who did the write up totally botched what I said. It wasn't even close so I just started to go look for the original papers. Don't rely on screen shots from twitter. Go to google scholar and actually read the papers. All of the Covid stuff is open access so anyone can read it.

So what that guy posed is a gross misrepresentation of the data. It is not likely that vaccines cause myocarditis. In fact it is extremely rare.

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart. There are lots of causes of myocarditis and the main culprit is infections. There is also a risk of getting myocarditis from any vaccine but those cases are extremely rare. Myocarditis was observed in the clinical trials and was reported on. They weren't hiding anything. It was in the vaccine literature. IF you do clinical trials for any vaccine you will likely see Myocarditis.

The rate for the COVID vaccine was ~12.6 per million in people 12-39 years old.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/ful...CMg_e0xDuImz9l6ajQ1qFa5g0rlOC5KIeqdlXJQlFqj7s

That works out to .0000126%

The rates of Myocarditis caused by the Virus is much higher than that. Don't have time to find too much digging but an analysis of 6846 male patients form ages 12-17 had a rate of Myocarditis had a rate of 876 cases per million. So even though 12-17 is the highest risk subgroup there is almost a 6x greater rate of myocarditis with the infection vs taking the vaccine.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/27/2021.07.23.21260998.full.pdf

The other big misrepresentation is the science behind mRNA. It was discovered in the 60's and they started doing clinical trials for vaccines in 1987. There is an issue with a lot of the research sitting behind pay walls so you would have to go to a university library to avoid paying access fees. The NIH does have a lot of the research that they funded as open access. This technology will revolutionize cancer treatments. We are talking about targeted drugs that will basically seek out and destroy tumors. It will save people who are currently dying using current treatment methods. I am concerned that people will refuse safe and effective treatment because they don't understand the science.

https://covid19.nih.gov/nih-strategic-response-covid-19/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines
https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2022/mrna-vaccines-to-treat-cancer

I can tell you that I have read a few journal articles regarding mRNA and cancer treatment but the (few) that I've read seemed a little "pipe dream-ish" or pie in the sky. The outcomes were based on a lot of theories and "if we can get THIS, then we could get THAT" sort of speculation.
Medicine has advanced further (farther) in the last 80 years since WWII than it had in the previous 2000. No doubt we will see more in the near future.
I think, though, the elephant in the room with regard to covid were the misrepresentations of such critical "facts" as well as the hard sell attitude.
My red flag was the liability shield. The drug companies can't be held accountable. I get thar this was to encourage them to work quickly, but we both know what oftentimes happens when science is forced-- there are inevitable mistakes.
Couple this with common sense things like "masks work" (well, ya-- really expensive ones that John Q public can't afford, and the ones we wear provide minimal protection) yet we still have it forced on us- and it turned people off.
"Well if they'll lie to me about THIS, what else will they lie to me about?"
And I think that's how we ended up where we are today.
And honestly, I don't think my generation will EVER truly trust our government health system again. There's always going to be that nagging, lingering thought back there--- "are the mother fvckers telling me the truth?".

 

[DHHorn]

I did what I thought was a pretty simple study in my Doc program and got interviewed about the results. The person who did the write up totally botched what I said. It wasn't even close so I just started to go look for the original papers. Don't rely on screen shots from twitter. Go to google scholar and actually read the papers. All of the Covid stuff is open access so anyone can read it.

So what that guy posed is a gross misrepresentation of the data. It is not likely that vaccines cause myocarditis. In fact it is extremely rare.

Myocarditis is inflammation of the heart. There are lots of causes of myocarditis and the main culprit is infections. There is also a risk of getting myocarditis from any vaccine but those cases are extremely rare. Myocarditis was observed in the clinical trials and was reported on. They weren't hiding anything. It was in the vaccine literature. IF you do clinical trials for any vaccine you will likely see Myocarditis.

The rate for the COVID vaccine was ~12.6 per million in people 12-39 years old.
https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/full/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135?rfr_dat=cr_pub++0pubmed&url_ver=Z39.88-2003&rfr_id=ori:rid:crossref.org&fbclid=IwAR3GmtFo4oydcjCMg_e0xDuImz9l6ajQ1qFa5g0rlOC5KIeqdlXJQlFqj7s

That works out to .0000126%

The rates of Myocarditis caused by the Virus is much higher than that. Don't have time to find too much digging but an analysis of 6846 male patients form ages 12-17 had a rate of Myocarditis had a rate of 876 cases per million. So even though 12-17 is the highest risk subgroup there is almost a 6x greater rate of myocarditis with the infection vs taking the vaccine.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2021/07/27/2021.07.23.21260998.full.pdf

The other big misrepresentation is the science behind mRNA. It was discovered in the 60's and they started doing clinical trials for vaccines in 1987. There is an issue with a lot of the research sitting behind pay walls so you would have to go to a university library to avoid paying access fees. The NIH does have a lot of the research that they funded as open access. This technology will revolutionize cancer treatments. We are talking about targeted drugs that will basically seek out and destroy tumors. It will save people who are currently dying using current treatment methods. I am concerned that people will refuse safe and effective treatment because they don't understand the science.

https://covid19.nih.gov/nih-strategic-response-covid-19/decades-making-mrna-covid-19-vaccines
https://www.cancer.gov/news-events/cancer-currents-blog/2022/mrna-vaccines-to-treat-cancer

Is there any data on blood clots from the vaccine vs infection?

 

[2300 Nueces]

Heart Scarring Observed in Children Months After COVID-19 Vaccination: Study

 

[clob94]

Heart Scarring Observed in Children Months After COVID-19 Vaccination: Study

I need to study up on gadolinium.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Growing Number of Leprosy Cases Reported After COVID-19 Vaccination

 

[clob94]

Growing Number of Leprosy Cases Reported After COVID-19 Vaccination

Ehhhhhhhhhhhh........... ima need to see some more data.

 

[2300 Nueces]

 

[westx]

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And by the way: HCQ/Zinc works and Ivermectin works. No dispute. Fact.