Muhammad Ali dead at 74
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The most significant athlete of the 20th century.
I had a like/hate feeling towards him. I respected him as a conscientious objector I felt he was sincere he gave up the only thing that gave him a chance to make a decent living. I need to correct myself because I wrote what i didn't mean. Did he weaken his country for his stance? No
Otoh, I hated the way he treated Joe Frazier. There was a method to the madness when it came to taunting the other fighters and for the most part is was more humorous than harmful. But with Joe Frazier it was vicious and inexcusably cruel. But he came to realize what he said and sincerely tried to apologize to him.
I grew up in the 70's and he was the dominant athlete of my time. He had been suffering from Parkinson's for more than 30 years and his health kept deteriorating in that way he's in a better place. Gone but never forgotten and not just here but the entire world.
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Actually, the guy who replaced him in the draft very easily could have died. Hard to have a draft, and allow people to say no. I doubt his replacement wanted to go to Vietnam either.
He was a great fighter, and the best fight promoter of all time.
He was one of the greatest boxer of All time and took boxing to an all time high.Howard Cosell and him were a dream team for television viewing.I was lucky enough to meet him once and saw he was great with kids coming from a brutal sport and I will never forget his famous line,"float like a butterfly,sting like a bee,you can't hit what you can't see" as he would just dance around his opponent. RIP Ali
Even though Ali was a Muslim I liked him very much. He seemed like a good man. Good men are not easy to find anymore. He did not go to Vietnam because of his religious objections which MANY people used. mm42 have you ever heard of Quakers, Amish and so on? He was far from the only one. And over many years he proved that it was indeed his religious beliefs and he did not make that up to not go. R.I.P. Ali
I agree, he was far from the only one. I just don't agree that it did not impact others.
I was not a fan of the way he treated Frazier. Calling a black man an uncle Tom or a gorrila is pretty low class, especially Frazier who was far from it. Frazier hated him with a passion for many years.
But he did a lot of good things as well, great man overall.
swVAHorn, post: 6103899, member: 27550"Even though Ali was a Muslim I liked him very much. He seemed like a good man. Good men are not easy to find anymore. He did not go to Vietnam because of his religious objections which MANY people used. mm42 have you ever heard of Quakers, Amish and so on? He was far from the only one. And over many years he proved that it was indeed his religious beliefs and he did not make that up to not go. R.I.P. Ali
He was not a good guy... look how he treated people and was a huge womanizer. He used his religion because he was a POS coward. He was a draft dodger while many white...black...mexican men died that went to war because they were drafted. You need No more proof that sports stars or the rich get preferential treatment. He would have never seen combat but he was a anti American POS. No loss over his death...
He was not a good guy... look how he treated people and was a huge womanizer. He used his religion because he was a POS coward. He was a draft dodger while many white...black...mexican men died that went to war because they were drafted. You need No more proof that sports stars or the rich get preferential treatment. He would have never seen combat but he was a anti American POS. No loss over his death...
Time and maturity tends to change a man. Ali was no different. During the Atlanta olympics Ali gave a few interviews, one I saw they asked him about some of his comments he made in his youth. He made a really cool comment. He said, "The man who lives 30 years of his life and doesn't change, has just wasted the last 30 years".
I think many things have changed from the civil rights movement he championed to today. I think his views on white America, views on religion, and, many things evolved over time.
I think many things have changed from the civil rights movement he championed to today. I think his views on white America, views on religion, and, many things evolved over time.
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Then you can say anyone who does anything in the name of their religion is a coward. Just because your belief is not his, does not mean you get to judge him based on his beliefs. He was very courageous, as he stood for something, while several fall for nothing. People evolve, and he treated people very well...all people. He didn't like some of the evils of our society, and he had no problem vocalizing it. He was anti-war for a very good reason. But you weren't affected the same, so you'll never get it, regardless of what other black, white, brown, purple, yellow people, chose to go fight at the time. He felt there was a bigger fight going on right here in the US, and the war was some BS...but I'll post his words for you. You won't agree and you'll still hate him, if not more. And that's cool, as it's your opinion, but I vehemently disagree with you. Like any man, he had his faults.
Much love to a courageous and inspirational man.
“I ain’t draft dodging. I ain’t burning no flag. I ain’t running to Canada. I’m staying right here. You want to send me to jail? Fine, you go right ahead. I’ve been in jail for 400 years. I could be there for 4 or 5 more, but I ain’t going no 10,000 miles to help murder and kill other poor people. If I want to die, I’ll die right here, right now, fightin’ you, if I want to die. You my enemy, not no Chinese, no Vietcong, no Japanese. You my opposer when I want freedom. You my opposer when I want justice. You my opposer when I want equality. Want me to go somewhere and fight for you? You won’t even stand up for me right here in America, for my rights and my religious beliefs. You won’t even stand up for my rights here at home.”
Muhammad Ali.
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You sure about that? I remember Frazier being asked about who got the better of the trilogy. His answer was something along the lines of mockingly asking which one of us can only do magic tricks after fighting. Basically called Ali retarded, this was probably 10-12 years ago.
Yes, I'm very sure. You have no idea, some of the things they did for each other, behind closed doors.
Foreman on the relationship between Frazier and Ali:
"Joe Frazier is from a big family like myself. Muhammad Ali and Joe Frazier were like two brothers. One that Muhammad Ali always teased the other brother and the other brother is like ‘Oh you teased me again I’m gonna fight you.’ These guys genuinely loved each other. They loved each other. I don’t know what Muhammad Ali is going to do once he receives that news. He loved that man. Don’t let anybody fool you. There was no hate there."
Scott Christ:
"I think this is a fine way to describe Ali and Frazier. Yes, they had some very combative times outside of the ring, and both said things that were pretty harsh. But they were very friendly a lot of the time, too, and there was respect and even love between them. People who think Ali is a hypocrite for saying he loved Joe and admired him, miss a lot of that and just focus on the sensationalism and some of the frankly more regrettable things that were said by both."
I wasn't much of an Ali fan, great boxer but I didn't buy the rest of the act. I think ultimately the show around him brought about the rise of the Don King types and in the long run ruined boxing.
But, I made a shit load of money betting on him.
Once you figured out there were a lot of people that hated him it was very easy to get bets with people that were willing to bet against him just because of their dislike of him.
But, I made a shit load of money betting on him.
Once you figured out there were a lot of people that hated him it was very easy to get bets with people that were willing to bet against him just because of their dislike of him.
Lol...his excuse was after getting the draft notice. Funny how religion is a excuse and thank God everybody has not used that excuse or there would not be an America. I am sure many people died in the civil war ww1...ww2. Korea... Vietnam .. that would have loved to use that excuse but they fought anyways. Funny how he can almost beat a man to death in the ring but when his country called on him he went yellow bellied.
Have you ever heard Frazier's voicemail message at he time of his death? Basically, brags about what he done to the man who floated like a butterfly and stung like a be. You don't take credit for causing someone's Parkinson's If You love them.
Religion has been used for hate and coward acts since forever, so what do you mean there would not be an America. America was not built on holy principles, more like evil. Right now, homosexuals are discriminated against, and people use religion as an excuse to do. Do you really not see the fallacy in your comments? Yeah right, America would not exist.
But go ahead man, embrace that hate, and continue to judge him and his religion. It can be done to everyone. Just look at the people you call forefathers.
Ali was brave and refused to do evil, for those that were doing evil. How dare he stand for something. How dare he have faith and stand on it.
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Ok man, you know more than Foreman, other close friends of theirs, and boxing analyst.
Frazier did a lot for Ali while he was going thru his draft dodging issues. His thanks was being called an uncle Tom.
Foreman has grills to market. He is no fool.
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Like I said before, you know more than Foreman, other close friends of theirs, and boxing historians. I provided things that were said before Ali died. They had love for each other.
You have sources that you believe and I have sources that I believe. Not going to argue with anyone over it. Frazier and Foreman were very close to him to hate him.
You should watch the HBO documentary on the thrilla in manilla. It was excellent, and shot 2 years before Joe died. I didn't feel the love from Joe, but his message on his voicemail was nasty towards Ali.
I watched the ghosts of Manila that mm is taking about. A lot of Frazier's people who were on friendly terms with Ali have asked him to let go that what's done is done. After Joe died his son Marvis said that when he wasn't drinking and not off his blood pressure medicine he liked and respected Ali. When he was he made all those comments. Joe died broke Ali is worth millions. But Frazier was diagnosed with cancer 6 weeks before he died. Marvis said the first person he called was Ali and after he did he cried about all that happened between them. Ali stood and applauded when Frazier was eulogized. I could sympathize with Frazier when he despised Ali. I'm glad he was finally able to let go.
But make no mistake about it when they were fighting each other they truly despised each other. Thomas Houser said they didn't didn't for the championship they thought for the championship of each other and that was true. In the history of sports there was never a one on one match up like this one.
Rip Ali
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I didn't even know Muslims didn't believe in war. I thought many served voluntarily today. Isn't jihad all about war?
And I believe anyone who benefits from this great country should be required to serve in her time of need if called.
I am at a limbs for life race tonight with my 2 marine sons who were lucky to come back from the middle East with all of their limbs and they are my heroes.....nobody in a sport would ever be a hero to me. ...... men and women that sacrificed limbs are all around me and I know what a true American is.
You do understand there are different "kinds" of Muslims just like there are different "kinds" of Christians...right? Some Christians do not believe in killing for any reason just as there are Muslims who do not. And there are Christians who fight and Muslims who fight.
I believe that if you MADE a Quaker fight for instance that he or she would get a lot of people killed trying not to kill the enemy.
So your answer is EVERYONE should fight and no exceptions? I served and I would not want a person who truly believes that if they kill the enemy it is wrong. That is just me and I have told my reason.
Anyone born in the US is a true American. Anyone who immigrated here legally is a true American. If I hadn't served I would still be a true American. I am stepping away from this foolishness.
I think everyone called should serve. Somebody has to cook, load trucks, due janitorial duties etc... But saying no thanks doesn't cut it for me.
It's sad how aggy comes running to our board and ruin a respectful thread on the GOAT and a remarkable man, whether one agrees with his politics or not. There's not a decent aggy poster, not one.
What branch were you in? So just to make sure I am getting this right....every person in the United States HAS TO SERVE? Afterall we have to have a military in peacetime too..right? 300 million Americans in uniform is going to be pretty tough.
Not what I said. If there is a war requiring a draft, you should serve IF CALLED. In normal times the military should be voluntary.
You are free to disagree.
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