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OT: Dammit, I love this country

Consumption of beef correlates positively with death rates. Not as much as pork does, but significantly more than chicken or fish. Pork consumption is only slightly worse than beef consumption, for our health, and much worse than chicken, which is worse than fish. Eating shellfish and bottom-feeding fish is a different story.

It doesn't mean that I would turn down a steak, if offered to me, but I'm not going to go out of my way to eat one.

Sugar consumption is dangerous, too, but there's no way I could get myself to cut my sugar more than I have already. I guess if my doctor said I had diabetes, I'd have to. My goal is to avoid that.

Organic food varies in its healthfulness. Organic milk can be dangerous, e.g. But non-organic produce have lower levels of nutrients and even taste. If you don't believe that, taste-test tomatoes and bananas some time. Organic bananas are slightly more expensive, but far more delicious. Even their "strings" are tasty.

GMO is just a bad road. We're losing non-GMO alternatives thanks to Monsanto, etc.

And consider the impact on the environment of the pesticides & non-organic fertilizers, the GMOs, the loss of insect species, etc... You're kidding yourself if you think we've improved things for our descendants. I guess we're less likely to die of mosquito-born parasites or diseases. We've got the Internet & cell phones & GPS. And data on high school sophomores & juniors for recruiting junkies. Overall, though, we've screwed things for them.
The world would starve to death on organic food, for no advantage. Instead, we would use much more land. Scientific agriculture has made most of the land in America unprofitable. If we eliminated agricultural subsidies, another 40% or so of the land would go fallow, to the advantage of the world.
 
I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure exactly what direction you were going with that.

Should I be laughing at Porky's style humor, at myself because I'm a vet, at the comment because it's a 2A dig, or should I be offended and write your name on the wall?

None of the above?
Maybe he was referring to your "gun" ...... Not your rifle..... Oh wait---- does Air Force distinguish? =)roll
 
Well them starving families in Africa would give a shit if it was organic or not, its a North American rich peoples thing, its a Chic fad thing like the Hoola Hoop
 
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I'll be honest with you, I'm not sure exactly what direction you were going with that.

Should I be laughing at Porky's style humor, at myself because I'm a vet, at the comment because it's a 2A dig, or should I be offended and write your name on the wall?

None of the above?
If you're offended by me, I probably miscommunicated, unless maybe you have issues.

It's no dig. I'm just looking at it as a safety issue. I love the U.S. Constitution.

My point is that gun owners shoot themselves or "loved ones" all too often. There's no intelligence requirement to own a gun. There's no manual dexterity test. There's no test for depression. In Texas, there's no requirement that you keep guns locked up & unloaded, even if little kids or (suddenly moody?) teens are in the house. What levels of strife will there be in the household? Will anyone be tempted to use the gun against a spouse or child or parent? Will anyone have irrational fears, and attempt to use the gun in self-defense, falsely?

Will someone with (accidental?) access be prescribed prescription meds, someday, and what are the possible side effects? Depression? Suicidal ideation? Rage? Irrational thoughts? Lack of coordination? Shaky hands?

And will each owner keep that gun from being stolen, forever, and either destroyed or passed down to someone with an equal sense of responsibility?

Since there's no way to know all that, there's no way to be sure that the gun you buy won't someday harm an innocent person.

And since gun-shot wounds are potentially fatal, the odds for survival are heavily in favor of non-owners.
 
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If you're offended by me, I probably miscommunicated, unless maybe you have issues.

It's no dig. I'm just looking at it as a safety issue. I love the U.S. Constitution.

My point is that gun owners shoot themselves or "loved ones" all too often. There's no intelligence requirement to own a gun. There's no manual dexterity test. There's no test for depression. In Texas, there's no requirement that you keep guns locked up & unloaded, even if little kids or (suddenly moody?) teens are in the house. What levels of strife will there be in the household? Will anyone be tempted to use the gun against a spouse or child or parent? Will anyone have irrational fears, and attempt to use the gun in self-defense, falsely?

Will someone with (accidental?) access be prescribed prescription meds, someday, and what are the possible side effects? Depression? Suicidal ideation? Rage? Irrational thoughts? Lack of coordination? Shaky hands?

And will each owner keep that gun from being stolen, forever, and either destroyed or passed down to someone with an equal sense of responsibility?

Since there's no way to know all that, there's no way to be sure that the gun you buy won't someday harm an innocent person.

And since gun-shot wounds are potentially fatal, the odds for survival are heavily in favor of non-owners.

Just wear ya own king of hat!

 
If you're offended by me, I probably miscommunicated, unless maybe you have issues.

It's no dig. I'm just looking at it as a safety issue. I love the U.S. Constitution.

My point is that gun owners shoot themselves or "loved ones" all too often. There's no intelligence requirement to own a gun. There's no manual dexterity test. There's no test for depression. In Texas, there's no requirement that you keep guns locked up & unloaded, even if little kids or (suddenly moody?) teens are in the house. What levels of strife will there be in the household? Will anyone be tempted to use the gun against a spouse or child or parent? Will anyone have irrational fears, and attempt to use the gun in self-defense, falsely?

Will someone with (accidental?) access be prescribed prescription meds, someday, and what are the possible side effects? Depression? Suicidal ideation? Rage? Irrational thoughts? Lack of coordination? Shaky hands?

And will each owner keep that gun from being stolen, forever, and either destroyed or passed down to someone with an equal sense of responsibility?

Since there's no way to know all that, there's no way to be sure that the gun you buy won't someday harm an innocent person.

And since gun-shot wounds are potentially fatal, the odds for survival are heavily in favor of non-owners.
Yep! We need more laws!
 
Yep! We need more laws!
Education.
Anyone will tell you that education and training is the key. I would be willing to bet that at some point even a guy as highly trained as Fresh is/was that at some point in his career he had an ND. A negligent discharge happens. It's just does. Especially when you fire hundreds of thousands of rounds as Tier 1 operators do during their training and career. But there is a second level of safety precautions that you LEARN so if and when that day comes, you minimize the risk of harming others around you. Look I'm pretty hand with a circle saw but I've nicked myself before. Why? Because I simply wasn't paying attention. I got lax. If you are educated on weapon safety, you can eliminate virtually all risks so long as you don't get lax.
I proposed several years ago to a friend of mine who was the deputy director at TEA (Texas education agency) that instead of a senior year of high-school, that all able bodied American kids be sent abroad to build schools, drill water wells, help with infrastructure in 3rd world nations. I also proposed that in that 12 months of humanitarian services that all kids spend 4 of the 12 months having weapons, physical and medical training. Like a mini- boot camp.
"Here's your survival training. Here's your weapons training (in case everything goes to sh!t). Here's your medic training so you can help others or yourself. And here's your trade training.

Now I ask you, if this reduced gun deaths by 80% in this country, would you support legislation that subjected all kids to this humanitarian work?
 
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So.....I was being a smartass.
The only thing that will save us is more good people with guns than bad/crazy people.
 
This is my fourth beer reading about all these guns and pills and training shit, so somebody start talking about some good looking stuff...

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No matter how good the intentions are, we cannot legislate out dumbassery, accidents, evil, complacency, or ill will.

If more legislation could stop all shootings without making good people and our country defenseless, I'd be first in line to hand in everything I own.
But it can't and it will never work as long as humans have free will.

That's my opinion. Nobody will change anyone's opinion here so I won't try. I understand where you are coming from, but respectfully disagree 100%.

I think we were talking about pesticides on greenbeans or something....
 
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If you're offended by me, I probably miscommunicated, unless maybe you have issues.

It's no dig. I'm just looking at it as a safety issue. I love the U.S. Constitution.

My point is that gun owners shoot themselves or "loved ones" all too often. There's no intelligence requirement to own a gun. There's no manual dexterity test. There's no test for depression. In Texas, there's no requirement that you keep guns locked up & unloaded, even if little kids or (suddenly moody?) teens are in the house. What levels of strife will there be in the household? Will anyone be tempted to use the gun against a spouse or child or parent? Will anyone have irrational fears, and attempt to use the gun in self-defense, falsely?

Will someone with (accidental?) access be prescribed prescription meds, someday, and what are the possible side effects? Depression? Suicidal ideation? Rage? Irrational thoughts? Lack of coordination? Shaky hands?

And will each owner keep that gun from being stolen, forever, and either destroyed or passed down to someone with an equal sense of responsibility?

Since there's no way to know all that, there's no way to be sure that the gun you buy won't someday harm an innocent person.

And since gun-shot wounds are potentially fatal, the odds for survival are heavily in favor of non-owners.
How many years will it take us to catch up to Germany, Japan, Russia in gun deaths ? They each killed millions after effective gun control made the population defenseless. It's happening right now in Venezuela and Mexico. I trust my fellow citizens far more than any government. As did Washington, Jefferson, and all the founding fathers.
 
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