OT: If State of Texas created a Homelessville...where? ...Bryan? ...and could it work? EDIT: SLC is doing it?

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Just had a nice Happy Hour chat with some buddies, and Austin's new homeless empowerment laws were quite the topic.

During the first happy hour of our Happy Hour, my friends and I have come up with the perfect solution.
And then in the second happy hour, we punched all sorts of holes into the plan.

I bring the concept to OB, to hear your f'ed up thoughts as well.

THE BASICS
1. State finds a suitable good sized town somewhere in semi rural Texas, whose past boomtime population is on the sharp decline. That has lots of existing, abandoned or cheap structures to be purchased under eminent domain (1.25 of fair market). Current remaining population is bought out and relocated to city/town of choice. Like they did when they built lakes in 30's, but smarter and more compassionate this time. Initiate a year long construction project, to "reset" the town for basic needs. If more housing needed, set up Quonset hut type structures. Or from unused shipping containers, etc.

2. Relocation of the homeless to the new Homelessville is optional, and large Tx cities have daily shuttle to move there, and claim your free housing. And free soup kitchens, health and mental care, and job skills training. This will effectively "sift" the homeless populations from the "accidental and want out of it homeless", from the "willing homeless".

3. Location has to be one a rail line, for supply.

4. Surround the town with the following types of staffed "development" megaplexes:
- hospital, for basic indigent health needs
- mental counseling and drugs to help
- schools for only the kids up to 16
- firefighting equipment
- job skills training in professions needing skilled labor
- no police or nor guards or fences, they police themselves. Drugs are legal. No fences or gates, all are free to leave, if they want to leave all free shelter and free benefits behind.
- engineering interns from univerisites to keep water, sewer, and bare minimum electrical grid functioning. Sort of like a peace corps opportunities for Texas students
- available small plot farmland
- concert stage for all the sympathetic artists and private charity groups, corporate handouts, to come and hold their benefits festivals.

How it could work?
1.Ten biggest Texas cities pool their current homeless program /urban housing budgets into one fund, supplemented by a state fund as well. City officials basically tell all homeless who chose not to relocate that there are now ZERO public fund resources for them in these cities, and only can count on private charities moving forward.

2. Relocation there is optional and voluntary. Relocation out to another city is also voluntary. And assisted if you have a job offer. But checking in / checking out is required, to keep up with records and stats for studies.

3. Lots of opportunities for graduate studies work

4. Revives a previously dying on the vine backwater.

But where?
My first thought was that Bryan would be perfect! ;).

Maybe a town like the size of a George West, Sonora, or Mineral Wells, etc.?

5. Willing homeless in big cities who don't want a free shelter, find themselves cut off and more isolated. And less able to mooch benefits from accidental homeless who want to improve their lots.

Why It Would Never Work
1. Too many city government officials would "miss" their homeless populations, and all their paternalistic benefits programs and projects, that make them feel good about themselves, and/or further their political clout and careers.
2. The New England and California media crews would jump all over the imagery to be had, and spin their stories and "roast" Texas alive for attempting it. "Escape from New York" and "New Amsterdam" headlines would be plentiful. Just way too much of a bad PR opportunity for the media to feast upon.
3. Crime rates and death rates in Homelessville would quickly grow out of control. And epidemics would be born constantly in the city limits. Concentration of some many poor living conditions would result in lots of hard to control diseases.
4. Free shelters and food supplies would quickly be overrun by illegal aliens "seeking political asylum"
5. After the first year or two, after the novelty and "coolness" wore off, you couldn't find enough willing young and apprentice doctors, health professionals, engineers and teachers to staff the "developmental megaplexes".
6. Not enough homeless are "accidental homeless" and not near enough would willingly vokunteer, even with all the free services all available in one consolidated location.

So what do you think?

How feasible / infeasible would it be to set up?
To maintain?
What points did we miss, on either side of the debate?

And maybe the most fun question....where should we put it? I dare you to come up with a better suggestion than Bryan.
 
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I'm more of the mind of a series of mass round-ups that end with 1/3 in jail/sent back to wherever they ****ed up, 1/3 in mental health facilities and 1/3 at Gary Job Corps. Anyone outside of those options will used for medical experiments at PPD.

No reason to waste time with immigrants working honest jobs when we've got actual criminals living in the woods.
 
Most people in Texas don’t care about Austin’s homeless problem and certainly don’t want State taxpayer dollars spent on it. Oust your insane local politicians and take care of the problem.
I understand if you live in rural or West Texas.

But if you live in Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, SA, Beaumont, Corpus, you're probably suffering a homeless crisis to a lesser degree also. And I bet you're more willing to let the tax dollars you're already spending, but that is not solving the problem, go towards a program that would DEFINITELY involve relocation (voluntary).
 
I understand if you live in rural or West Texas.

But if you live in Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, SA, Beaumont, Corpus, you're probably suffering a homeless crisis to a lesser degree also. And I bet you're more willing to let the tax dollars you're already spending, but that is not solving the problem, go towards a program that would DEFINITELY involve relocation (voluntary).

West Texas already carries the rest of the state from a tax dollars perspective. The whole region is basically an economic colony for those I-35 and east.
 
I'm more of the mind of a series of mass round-ups that end with 1/3 in jail/sent back to wherever they ****ed up, 1/3 in mental health facilities and 1/3 at Gary Job Corps. Anyone outside of those options will used for medical experiments at PPD.

No reason to waste time with immigrants working honest jobs when we've got actual criminals living in the woods.

Add substance abuse counseling (but not free drugs or drug replacements) and this is probably closer to the real solution than anyone would care to admit.
 
West Texas already carries the rest of the state from a tax dollars perspective. The whole region is basically an economic colony for those I-35 and east.
So...we put Homelessville somewhere out there in the desert, and then make lots of incentives for them to learn and fill nearby oilfield jobs?

How much would it cost to buy out Lamesa?
 
Setup decent accommodations and legalize all rec drug use inside these facilities. Gotta piss clean to leave. Work for drugs. Nothing in or out. Dog friendly. Let Amazon run it. Offer psych medicine,CB therapy, counseling, etc. lots of logistics but make a stick out of carrots.
 
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Most people in Texas don’t care about Austin’s homeless problem and certainly don’t want State taxpayer dollars spent on it. Oust your insane local politicians and take care of the problem.

Houston spent millions of tax dollars, local and federal to reduce their homeless population. Houston’s HUD money is 4 times what Dallas receives . Not to mention the billion in federal aid for Harvey. Stay off the teet or quit complaining.
 
Setup decent accommodations and legalize all rec drug use inside these facilities. Gotta piss clean to leave. Work for drugs. Nothing in or out. Dog friendly. Let Amazon run it. Offer psych medicine,CB therapy, counseling, etc. lots of logistics but make a stick out of carrots.
I like the Amazon management element.
Make the place somewhere they could use as a free distribution systems laboratory?

Maybe there is a way for Homelessville be a solution for their returned goods handling issues?
 
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I understand if you live in rural or West Texas.

But if you live in Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, SA, Beaumont, Corpus, you're probably suffering a homeless crisis to a lesser degree also. And I bet you're more willing to let the tax dollars you're already spending, but that is not solving the problem, go towards a program that would DEFINITELY involve relocation (voluntary).

Houston’s homeless problem isn’t even close to Austin, so it’s hard to empathize
 
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I like the Amazon management element.
Make the place somewhere they could use as a free distribution systems laboratory?

Maybe there is a way for Homelessville be a solution for their returned goods handling issues?
Yes. Monitor doses to prevent OD. If they sign up for drug tapering and job training they get more benefits. They don’t have money so use other methods of compensation.
 
The answer is mandatory drug programs/incarceration and increase mental health funding/facilities. No one want to pay for it. That's why we closed all the mental health facilities and 'mainstreamed' the mentally ill onto the streets. It's not a homeless problem, it's a drug addiction/mental health problem. Using the word homeless romanticizes the problem.
 
The answer is mandatory drug programs/incarceration and increase mental health funding/facilities. No one want to pay for it. That's why we closed all the mental health facilities and 'mainstreamed' the mentally ill onto the streets. It's not a homeless problem, it's a drug addiction/mental health problem. Using the word homeless romanticizes the problem.

I agree about the term, but also think the population, whatevwr you call them, is a mix. I think you describe what I refer to as the "accidental homeless". Something else and circumstances created their need for shelter. But there is also a smaller % "willing homeless" who like the nomadic lifestyle, and who I also think are more the crminal element. But this smaller % are the ones who you see in your face 10x more often, Nd so unfortunately cloud the issue and turn many away who would genuinely want to help the more silent "accidental homeless" who want help and not just a handout.

My friends and I go back and forth on just how big of a %'s there are between rhe two types. My gut feeling is that it's about a 20% bad apple ration, that screw it up for the other 80% who need and want the help.

What do you think?

The best effect of a voluntary Homelessville concept I think is that it would serve to separate and sift out the two groups. You'd learn who to help, and who to let die and rot on the vine.

Plus, there would be tons of efficiencies gained by the economies of scale effect of consolidating all the resources together. Right now the big cities sprinkle insufficient resources on the problem. And 20% (maybe higher?) is getting mooched away by parasites and predators. And also probably eroding public support for more "sprinkling" funds.
 
So...we put Homelessville somewhere out there in the desert, and then make lots of incentives for them to learn and fill nearby oilfield jobs?

How much would it cost to buy out Lamesa?
Off the top of my head, at least $50 and a package of Slim Jims. Maybe even more.
 
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Just had a nice Happy Hour chat with some buddies, and Austin's new homeless empowerment laws were quite the topic.

During the first happy hour of our Happy Hour, my friends and I have come up with the perfect solution.
And then in the second happy hour, we punched all sorts of holes into the plan.

I bring the concept to OB, to hear your f'ed up thoughts as well.

THE BASICS
1. State finds a suitable food sized town somewhere in semi rural Texas, whose past boomtime population is on the sharp decline. That has lots of existing, abandoned or cheap structures to be purchased under eminent domain (1.25 of fair market). Remaining population is bought out and relocated to city/town of choice. Like they did when they built lakes in 30's, but smarter and more compassionate this time. If more housing needed, set up Quonset hut type structures. Or from unused shipping containers, etc.
2. Relocation is optional, and large Tx cities have daily shuttle to move there, and claim your free housing. And free soup kitchens, health and mental care, and job skills training. This will effectively "sift" the homeless populations from the "accidental and want out of it homeless", from the "willing homeless".
3. Location has to be one a rail line, for supply.
4. Surround the town with the following types of staffed "development" megaplexes:
- hospital, for basic indigent health needs
- mental counseling and drugs to help
- schools for only the kids up to 16
- firefighting equipment
- job skills training in professions needing skilled labor
- no police or nor guards or fences, they police themselves. Drugs are legal. No fences or gates, all are free to leave, if they want to leave all free shelter and free benefits behind.
- engineering interns from univerisites to keep water, sewer, and bare minimum electrical grid functioning. Sort of like a peace corps opportunities for Texas students
- available small plot farmland
- concert stage for all the sympathetic artists and private charity groups, corporate handouts, to come and hold their benefits festivals.

How it could work?
1.Ten biggest Texas cities pool there current homeless program /urban housing budgets into one find, supplemented by a state fund as well. City officials basically tell all homeless who chose not to relocate that there are now ZERO public fund resources for them, and only can count on private charities.
2. Relocation there is optional and voluntary. Relocation out to another city is also voluntary. And assisted if you have a job offer. But checking in / checking out is required, to keep up with records and stats for studies.
3. Lots of opportunities for graduate studies work
4. Revives a previously dying on the vine backwater.

But where?
My first thought was that Bryan would be perfect! ;).

Maybe a town like the size of a George West, Sonora, or Mineral Wells, etc.?

5. Willing homeless in big cities who don't want a free shelter, find themselves cut off and more isolated. And less able to mooch benefits from accidental homeless who want to improve their lots.

Why It Would Never Work
1. Too many city government officials would "miss" their homeless populations, and all their paternalistic benefits programs and projects, that make them feel good about themselves, and/or further their political clout and careers.
2. The New England and California media crews would jump all over the imagery to be had, and spin their stories and "roast" Texas alive for attempting it. "Escape from New York" and "New Amsterdam" headlines would be plentiful. Just way too much of a bad PR opportunity for the media to feast upon.
3. Crime rates and death rates in Homelessville would quickly grow out of control. And epidemics would be born constantly in the city limits. Concentration of some many poor living conditions would result in lots of hard to control diseases.
4. Free shelters and food supplies would quickly be overrun by illegal aliens "seeking political asylum"
5. After the first year or two, after the novelty and "coolness" wore off, you couldn't find enough willing young and apprentice doctors, health professionals, engineers and teachers to staff the "developmental megaplexes".
6. Not enough homeless are "accidental homeless" and not near enough would willingly vokunteer, even with all the free services all available in one consolidated location.

So what do you think?

How feasible / infeasible would it be to set up?
To maintain?
What points did we miss, on either side of the debate?

And maybe the most fun question....where should we put it? I dare you to come up with a better suggestion than Bryan.
Adam Smith’s invisible hand says this won’t work. The lack of access to a liquor store and a highway intersection for panhandling means that no one will show up.
 
I think I read that Mayor sAdler said there was only 2500 homeless in Austin.
Questions: How much does the city of Austin spend on the homeless?, total and per capita of the 2500 population.
 
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I nominate Corsicana. The homeless population may actually give that armpit some sophistication. It could use a good mental hospital, at least the current residents would supply it with ample clientele. This may be the only solution to its stagnate population growth. The ole ladies and mothers of the peckerwoods there surely would appreciate a rehab as well.
 
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It’s an interesting idea. Europe has stuff like this, it’s how places in Europe claim they don’t have any homeless. They actually wall them in so the rest of the city doesn’t have to see it.

I’d be in full support. Some would use it to actually get back on their feet, some would simply wallow in it until they passed. Either way, it gets them off the corners, offers help and for some, provides a way out.
 
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Adam Smith’s invisible hand says this won’t work. The lack of access to a liquor store and a highway intersection for panhandling means that no one will show up.
They can be provided means of making their own stills. Job skills to help them transition into Texas' burgeoning distilled spirits industry :)

There's a highway 21 that passes right through Bryan, for anybody silly enough to pass through. That can provided them the means to scratch their itch.
 
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It’s an interesting idea. Europe has stuff like this, it’s how places in Europe claim they don’t have any homeless. They actually wall them in so the rest of the city doesn’t have to see it.

I’d be in full support. Some would use it to actually get back on their feet, some would simply wallow in it until they passed. Either way, it gets them off the corners, offers help and for some, provides a way out.

I like the concept because it identifies those who don't deserve any help, when they choose not to go, and get the the free shelter, medical care, mental health care, food handouts, job skills training. Or if too mentally disturbed to communicate their wishes, are committed by the state to go there. After a few months, we'd know exactly who still left in the cities, and deserves to be completely ignored.
 
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I think I read that Mayor sAdler said there was only 2500 homeless in Austin.
Questions: How much does the city of Austin spend on the homeless?, total and per capita of the 2500 population.
I find this # to be REMARKABLY low estimate.
And this article cites a # of 2149.
https://www.austinmonitor.com/stories/2019/02/austins-homeless-population-still-growing/

I'm going to do a headcount of how many I spot, on my next drive into downtown Austin.
I bet it's at least 150 people. No way in hell I'm encountering 6% of the entire homeless population on a single drive on a single road, through only one half of the city.
 
cities/states should buy old, abandoned shipping malls and make them into homeless shelters. Food court could be set up as dining hall. Empty stores could be setup with bunks galore and separate people into groups...men, women, families, those with drug addictions, mental health issues. Some stores could become rehab areas, some counseling centers, job training, etc, all run by outside agencies that already get gov't money. Bathrooms could be expanded to handle everyone. One stop shopping and keep everyone and every service in one place
 
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