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Whether we like it or not, soccer is on the rise. It is a DIVERSE sport. There are people of many colors that play soccer, unlike American sports which are homogenous. Today, for example, one of the world's best if not currently the best club, Bayern Munich, will be playing in the Champions League tournament. Playing and routinely starting will be an American from FC Dallas. Americans are beginning to break through at many levels in professional soccer.

I expect the coming union of MLS and La Liga Mexicana to be big. It will be a large league with many homegrown talented players. It will propel the US and Mexican national teams to higher levels of competition globally.

It's certainly a diversion from the political non sense we see in our current non diverse professional sports.
 
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I thought so too until my kids played it. My son ended up doing all baseball and football. My daughter is on travel soccer and is a goalie. I've watched a lot of soccer and fully understand the sport now after over 10 years of watching it and now high school soccer. We watch the Longhorn soccer on LHN. It's a lot like baseball.......if you understand shifts, pitch selection, batter choice and all the strategy that goes into it, then it is fun. But otherwise it is crazy boring. I couldn't watch golf if my life depended on it, but I don't play or care about golf.
My daughter wants to play in college (she won't be Div 1) but I hope she does because we love watching it.
 
I thought so too until my kids played it. My son ended up doing all baseball and football. My daughter is on travel soccer and is a goalie. I've watched a lot of soccer and fully understand the sport now after over 10 years of watching it and now high school soccer. We watch the Longhorn soccer on LHN. It's a lot like baseball.......if you understand shifts, pitch selection, batter choice and all the strategy that goes into it, then it is fun. But otherwise it is crazy boring. I couldn't watch golf if my life depended on it, but I don't play or care about golf.
My daughter wants to play in college (she won't be Div 1) but I hope she does because we love watching it.

This is correct, you have to understand the game to enjoy it.
 
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I'd watch the WNBA before I'd watch a kickball game. It's like watching paint dry. Yawn.

Average NFL game has only 11 minutes of actual play...out of a 3-1/2 hour telecast, but soccer is watching paint dry. Baseball had to put a "pitch clock" because it is so freaking boring watching a pitcher use the rosin bag, but soccer is watching paint dry. The NBA has 8 million timeouts in the last 3 minutes of a game, but soccer is like watching paint dry.

I understand you don't like the game, but I will NEVER understand this thought process. It makes no sense. Americans will sit through over an hour of commercials to get small nuggets of actual game play and then say soccer, or hockey are boring.

Personally, can't wait for that Cowboys-Redskins game this weekend! Whew, the 11 minutes of running on 1st down is going to be so exhilerating!
 
Whether we like it or not, soccer is on the rise. It is a DIVERSE sport. There are people of many colors that play soccer, unlike American sports which are homogenous. Today, for example, one of the world's best if not currently the best clubs, Bayern Munich will be playing in the Champions League tournament. Playing and routinely starting will be an American from FC Dallas. Americans are beginning to break through at many levels in professional soccer.

I expect the coming union of MLS and La Liga Mexicana to be big. It will be a large league with many homegrown talented players. It will propel the US and Mexican national teams to higher levels of competition globally.

It's certainly a diversion from the political non sense we see in our current non diverse professional sports.

Is Chris Richards healthy? He missed last weekend due to a hammy I think.

We have players at Chelsea, Barca, Munich, ManCity, Juventus, Leipzig, and Dortmund that will get significant CL minutes. Just incredible to think about.
 
I thought so too until my kids played it. My son ended up doing all baseball and football. My daughter is on travel soccer and is a goalie. I've watched a lot of soccer and fully understand the sport now after over 10 years of watching it and now high school soccer. We watch the Longhorn soccer on LHN. It's a lot like baseball.......if you understand shifts, pitch selection, batter choice and all the strategy that goes into it, then it is fun. But otherwise it is crazy boring. I couldn't watch golf if my life depended on it, but I don't play or care about golf.
My daughter wants to play in college (she won't be Div 1) but I hope she does because we love watching it.

The "all they do is kick a ball around" crowd are either incredibly stupid, or just trolling.

That's like saying "all football does is hand the ball off, or throw it deep to grass."

So much strategy in the game. Defending phase, build-up phase, attack phase...and then about a gazillion different ways to implement each of those phases. It is constant motion and movement.

But like any other sport, if you get two teams that are struggling in the attack phase, the game is incredibly boring.
 
This is correct, you have to understand the game to enjoy it.

Just kick the ball into the net....that's hard to understand...takes a while! Reminds me of Hockey without the skates and ice...and the violence..
 
I think yall better rethink your aversion to soccer.....Apparantly it is a requirement that fans come to the game drunk and proceed to get drunker by the minute. In other words.....it cant be all bad.


Besides....we all like to yell at the ref and umpire. That is part of the game. In soccer you get to go burn down his house.
 
The best collection of athletes in the world play in the NFL.

Zero debate to be had.

Bigger. Stronger. Faster. More athletic.

If Deion Sanders and Randy Moss practiced soccer their entire lives, we'd have been a world cup Icontender with just those two.

Clob....I believe this particular topic may deserve its own thread. I know you’re partial to football for obvious reasons. However, there are legitimate arguments that bigger, stronger, faster doesn’t make a better ‘athlete’.
 
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I remember reading years ago that Wayne Rooney was the fastest player in the Premier League--- at the time the most popular and profitable league in the world.

Wayne ran a 4.55 40 yard dash..........

Show me a anyone in soccer that has ever even thought about squatting over 700lbs. I can show you a battalion worth in the NFL.

Same goes for bench press. Larry Allen bench pressed 700 pounds.

There have been Olympic sprinters play in the NFL. Renaldo Nehemiah-- remember that guy? Darrell Green used to run circles around him.

Hollis Conway is a two time Olympic medalist high jumper. He jumped 7'10.5 inches. He says his "standing vertical" is 31 inches. The NFL combine record is 46 inches.

"The only high jumper I know of who advertises his vertical leap is two-time Olympic medalist Hollis Conway of the U.S. His vertical leap is only 31 inches, which by most standards is just above average."

But clob--- Soccer players run for miles and miles during a game.
Duh--- because they TRAIN for it. You think DBs and WRs can't run for miles and miles already? Now imagine if they trained for it like soccer guys do. They'd run miles and miles ----- but faster.

I get it--- you also have to have foot agility---- and we all know that football players don't have agile feet...... Right? I mean, all those club footed DBs unable to run backwards faster than most humans can run forward and then pivot and turn to run even faster without breaking stride.

I can tell you what our Russian strength coach at Texas told me in 1996 before the summer games when I asked him why the US does so well in some Olympic events but so poorly in others---

"Because- best athletes in world are NFL. If NFL athletes train since age 5 for shot put, pole vault, ice dancing like in Russia-- America win gold silver bronze in all Olympics sports."
 
If America's best athletes chose to play soccer instead of football, we'd have the best soccer team in the world, but they don't. American athletes choose football over soccer/kickball, as they should. There is no comparison in watching and playing each sport, IMO. None. Football > soccer.
 
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If the best athletes in the US (regardless of NFL, NBA, MLB) grew up playing soccer, we would be dominant every 4 years in the WC. We struggle to even qualify for the WC. The other key is we dilute our soccer national team because our truly best athletes go where the money/fame/exposure is: NFL, NBA, and MLB. Spain has a population of 45 million. Germany has a population of 80 million. Yet, both consistently field dominant national teams. Despite a much smaller population, soccer attracts all of the best athletes in those countries.
 
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Average NFL game has only 11 minutes of actual play...out of a 3-1/2 hour telecast, but soccer is watching paint dry. Baseball had to put a "pitch clock" because it is so freaking boring watching a pitcher use the rosin bag, but soccer is watching paint dry. The NBA has 8 million timeouts in the last 3 minutes of a game, but soccer is like watching paint dry.

I understand you don't like the game, but I will NEVER understand this thought process. It makes no sense. Americans will sit through over an hour of commercials to get small nuggets of actual game play and then say soccer, or hockey are boring.

Personally, can't wait for that Cowboys-Redskins game this weekend! Whew, the 11 minutes of running on 1st down is going to be so exhilerating!
The "all they do is kick a ball around" crowd are either incredibly stupid, or just trolling.

That's like saying "all football does is hand the ball off, or throw it deep to grass."

So much strategy in the game. Defending phase, build-up phase, attack phase...and then about a gazillion different ways to implement each of those phases. It is constant motion and movement.

But like any other sport, if you get two teams that are struggling in the attack phase, the game is incredibly boring.
Understanding the strategy and the knowing the background of some of the players is key to getting into the game. The EPL is generally all about attack. There's action. The style of the Netherland, German, Uruguay teams is also completely different than the defensive/possession game of the Spaniards. I'd never recommend that someone wanting to get into soccer watch the Spanish national team - they'd be completely bored. But, I get the possession strategy and the 3 man triangle game. Then, you have the 6'2'' - 6'6" defenders from Nigeria and Ivory Coast. Talk about tough! So, yes, there are so many nuances about the sport. And, knowing some of the players makes it even more interesting.
 
I thought this was about kicking that inflated red kickball like we did in elementary school. That was a fun sport. Soccer? I rather stand in line at the dmv.
 
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I’m looking forward to the new Austin FC. The stadium going up now is top notch.
 
Beware, Austin city council will make it a homeless camp.
Nah. Not enough rich folks by the stadium.

That's how the homeless boondoggle works.

Elected officials welcome homeless people.
Elected officials keep homeless people hemmed up near where rich folks work or live so they have to see them every day.

Eventually, rich people get tired of seeing homeless ppl poop in the streets and beg for money.

Mayor tells rich people that they'll have to raise taxes "slightly" to get homeless ppl off the street.

Rich ppl hold their nose and pay higher taxes.

Mayor uses money to build homeless shelter built by mayor's wife's cousin's husband and gets massive kick back as well as massive campaign donation.

And now you know how the homeless boondoggle works.
 
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Nah. Not enough rich folks by the stadium.

That's how the homeless boondoggle works.

Elected officials welcome homeless people.
Elected officials keep homeless people hemmed up near where rich folks work or live so they have to see them every day.

Eventually, rich people get tired of seeing homeless ppl poop in the streets and beg for money.

Mayor tells rich people that they'll have to raise taxes "slightly" to get homeless ppl off the street.

Rich ppl hold their nose and pay higher taxes.

Mayor uses money to build homeless shelter built by mayor's wife's cousin's husband and gets massive kick back as well as massive campaign donation.

And now you know how the homeless boondoggle works.
Sad, but true. And, once a city has a homeless population, it never gets resolved. Never. There's too much money to be made in the homeless industry.
LA city/county spent $600 million a year over the last several years to tackle the issue. Doesn't get resolved. Instead, the homeless population grew over 10% to its current number of over 66,000.
The program administrators stopped the program to build permanent housing when it was determined that each unit was costing between $500k and $700k to build. Imagine that. Either pretty fancy housing or a lot of developers and city managers on the take.
But, the citizenry is too busy looting Nike and Adidas stores to demand an accounting of the homeless department spending. I guarantee there are layers and layers of $100k homelessness department managers doing nothing.
As money can be made in war, same applies with the homeless.
And, in the south (Austin), southwest, and Pacific (LA, SF, SD), we're at a disadvantage in resolving the issue. The homeless have an ally. Weather. They'd rather be here than MN, Chicago, NYC, or Boston.
 
I remember reading years ago that Wayne Rooney was the fastest player in the Premier League--- at the time the most popular and profitable league in the world.

Wayne ran a 4.55 40 yard dash..........

Show me a anyone in soccer that has ever even thought about squatting over 700lbs. I can show you a battalion worth in the NFL.

Same goes for bench press. Larry Allen bench pressed 700 pounds.

There have been Olympic sprinters play in the NFL. Renaldo Nehemiah-- remember that guy? Darrell Green used to run circles around him.

Hollis Conway is a two time Olympic medalist high jumper. He jumped 7'10.5 inches. He says his "standing vertical" is 31 inches. The NFL combine record is 46 inches.

"The only high jumper I know of who advertises his vertical leap is two-time Olympic medalist Hollis Conway of the U.S. His vertical leap is only 31 inches, which by most standards is just above average."

But clob--- Soccer players run for miles and miles during a game.
Duh--- because they TRAIN for it. You think DBs and WRs can't run for miles and miles already? Now imagine if they trained for it like soccer guys do. They'd run miles and miles ----- but faster.

I get it--- you also have to have foot agility---- and we all know that football players don't have agile feet...... Right? I mean, all those club footed DBs unable to run backwards faster than most humans can run forward and then pivot and turn to run even faster without breaking stride.

I can tell you what our Russian strength coach at Texas told me in 1996 before the summer games when I asked him why the US does so well in some Olympic events but so poorly in others---

"Because- best athletes in world are NFL. If NFL athletes train since age 5 for shot put, pole vault, ice dancing like in Russia-- America win gold silver bronze in all Olympics sports."

1. I don't ever remember Rooney being known as the fastest in PL. There are/were many players much faster. Maybe fastest with the dribble?

2. Why would a soccer player need to squat 700 pounds? And how does that automatically make someone a "better athlete?"

3. Olympic Sprinters can't play soccer either...Usain Bolt is in the equivalent of a glorified beer league and he sucks

4. Ah yes, the great Gerald Sensabaugh, lol

5. If a football player did one day of a soccer training they wouldn't finish. How many soccer trainings have you been to? Participated in? Could these DBs/WRs get used to it? Absolutely.

Surely, you don't think the only athletic attribute a soccer player must possess is endurance...

6. Soccer players back pedal, side sprint, hip pivot, etc. as well. This isn't something unique to a football player

7. Sounds like the Russian guy was using hyperbole. I don't disagree that many of the best athletes choose football. But to say, or even insinuate that all of them are the absolute peak of athletic performance is a punch in the face to basketball players, soccer players, etc. And incredibly short sighted and wrong.

8. No, if the best athletes in the US chose soccer we still probably wouldn't be competing for a WC title. We would have minimally better success, but nothing profound.

On top of that, Christian Pulisic is one of the best American athletes. He is 5-8 and can dunk a basketball. He has a peak speed of about 22 mph and he isn't even in his prime. Tyler Adams, Weston McKennie, Miles Robinson, etc. would have no problem adapting to a football environment.

Some African soccer players would have no problem stacking up against NFL players in an all around athleticism and most African nations struggle to even get out of the group stage.

With all that said, football is the perfect sport for "bigger, stronger, faster." You don't need a specific skill set to be successful. But, you can't play football successfully if you don't have strength and/or speed.

The NFL has the largest collection of athletes, but to say they're the best is incorrect. An elite athlete is an elite athlete, no matter the sport.
 
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Soccer players are the equivalent of an MLB pitcher except they have to have all world fitness. Soccer is about ball control. It's not about foot speed or brute strength. I can kick a ball faster than any man has ever run so the skill needed is ball control. It's an art. Speed is a benefit in attacking and defending if it can give an edge over another player. However, if a player can bend the ball around the opposition, speed is rendered useless.

Speed and brute strength in soccer are like a speeder who laughs at a police officer because he has a faster vehicle. I've never seen a car that can outrun radio waves.
 
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Soccer players are the equivalent of an MLB pitcher except they have to have all world fitness. Soccer is about ball control. It's not about foot speed or brute strength. I can kick a ball faster than any man has ever run so the skill needed is ball control. It's an art. Speed is a benefit in attacking and defending if it can give an edge over another player. However, if a player can bend the ball around the opposition, speed is rendered useless.

Speed and brute strength in soccer are like a speeder who laughs at a police officer because he has a faster vehicle. I've never seen a car that can outrun radio waves.
Messi, Ronaldo, and most of the Brazilian national team would agree with you about ball control. Magicians.
 
Messi, Ronaldo, and most of the Brazilian national team would agree with you about ball control. Magicians.

David Beckham. Dude couldn't run out of sight in a day, wasn't strong, nor super agile...but damn, that dude had velcro on his cletes and could bend a ball around anyone and hit a dime on the field from 50y.

Luis Suarez is another one that comes to mind. Although he has some pace. Kevin De Bruyne. Modric, etc.
 
+ Arjen Robben.
I saw Beckham play in person once. Pure magic. No wasted energy. He was not running a 10K like everyone else. The ball would come in to the mid field and he would immediately distribute to the wings. Like a chess player that is planning 3-5 moves ahead. Never lost possession because he didn't retain possession too long. His passes were extremely accurate even when passing to a spot and his shots on goal were lasers. It was pretty impressive to watch.
 
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+ Arjen Robben.
I saw Beckham play in person once. Pure magic. No wasted energy. He was not running a 10K like everyone else. The ball would come in to the mid field and he would immediately distribute to the wings. Like a chess player that is planning 3-5 moves ahead. Never lost possession because he didn't retain possession too long. His passes were extremely accurate even when passing to a spot and his shots on goal were lasers. It was pretty impressive to watch.

People that gave Beckham shit for being overrated I'd really have to question their soccer IQ. You describe him perfectly.

Another guy like that, but had the ability to dribble as well was Xavi. That dude could process so much information so quickly it was nuts.

For the football nuts, I always explain to them that soccer is great because everyone has to be the QB, RB, WR, LB, and DB...EVERYONE. Proper playing patterns dictate this.

Speed/agility/strength
Technical ability
Soccer IQ

Elite players start at the bottom and go up. Average players start at the top and go down.
 
Very true re: Xavi. The 2010 Spanish WC squad has to be one of my favorite WC squads of all time (not including the US teams). He and Ramos were the straws that stirred the drink.
 
Very true re: Xavi. The 2010 Spanish WC squad has to be one of my favorite WC squads of all time (not including the US teams). He and Ramos were the straws that stirred the drink.

Xavi was so good, that when someone intercepted one of his passes in training everyone stopped and clapped...cause it never happened, lol.

That MF trio of Busquets, Xavi and Xabi Alonso was just sick. And then throw in Iniesta on the wing...they sliced and diced people.
 
Xavi was so good, that when someone intercepted one of his passes in training everyone stopped and clapped...cause it never happened, lol.

That MF trio of Busquets, Xavi and Xabi Alonso was just sick. And then throw in Iniesta on the wing...they sliced and diced people.
Nice nugget about Xavi - didn’t know that one. I agree about the MF line and Iniesta. Iniesta on one side and Ramos coming in on the right wing all the way forward from the back line.
 
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