SEC and Big 10 Blocking Big 12 championship game???

[diadevic]

According to Norm Hitzges on KTCK 1310 in Dallas, the Big 10 and SEC are blocking a proposal by the Big 12 to add a championship game despite only having 10 teams. Without getting to the question of whether or not our conference needs such a game --- WTH? Why are they all up in our business? Why isn't Bowlsby b*tch-slapping these other commissioners? You know and I know what it is --- if they can keep the perception of only 4 "strong" conferences, they will get their automatic spot in the Final 4 CFP. This is a power play to keep our conference down, and if Bowlsby can't handle this matter, he needs to go!

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...c-big-12-move-to-alter-conference-title-games

 

[HornosaurusRex]

Should counter-propose a rule that requires the use of conference records to assign bowls, rather than conference discretionary choice, in any case where the bowl does not choose the team to invite.

Hook 'em

 

[bubba2023]

What do you mean why are they all up in our business? They have to vote to approve it.

 

[diadevic]

What do you mean why are they all up in our business? They have to vote to approve it.

Why do they care about our internal workings? You are correct - they have to vote on it. But why would the care?

 

[bubba2023]

Why do they care about our internal workings? You are correct - they have to vote on it. But why would the care?

Because it affects them?

 

[NU 71 72 74]

Why do they care about our internal workings? You are correct - they have to vote on it. But why would the care?

Maybe the B1G and/or the SEC are trying to flesh out a few schools in anticipation of another expansion round. Big 12, either add a couple schools to the conference or be doomed to the minors.

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and, Go Cats !! and, Hook 'em for the Wife !

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Maybe the B1G and/or the SEC are trying to flesh out a few schools in anticipation of another expansion round. Big 12, either add a couple schools to the conference or be doomed to the minors.

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and, Go Cats !! and, Hook 'em for the Wife !

BINGO

Future expansion will have to come from either the ACC or the Big 12. Right now the Big 12 is the most likely, and the biggest prize is obviously Texas. Keep the Big 12 down and when it's time to Expand you get Texas and Oklahoma in play to strengthen your conference. Between now and then you erode the Big 12 and or the ACC as much as possible.

 

[NU 71 72 74]

BINGO

Future expansion will have to come from either the ACC or the Big 12. Right now the Big 12 is the most likely, and the biggest prize is obviously Texas. Keep the Big 12 down and when it's time to Expand you get Texas and Oklahoma in play to strengthen your conference. Between now and then you erode the Big 12 and or the ACC as much as possible.

THANK YOU. I'd throw Notre Dame football into the mix as well !

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and, Go Cats !! and, Hook 'em for the Wife !

 

[diadevic]

Because it affects them?

How? Because the committee they dominate has determined that a conference championship game carries a lot of weight, and if they can keep the Big 12 from getting a championship game they increase their chances of getting in the Final 4? Which is my point.

 

[Scholz]

The Big XII got a team into the playoffs this year with 1 loss. And had the easiest path without the extra chance to lose. Don't know why we would want a title game. Don't need the money and can get into the playoffs without it. And a title game makes very little sense after every team has already played everyone else already in the round robin format.

And if you're going to bring up the Baylor snub from year before last, totally different circumstances and teams. A) The Big XII didn't announce one true champ yet and B) Baylor was being punished for its terribly weak OOC schedule.

If I were Baylor fan, I would look inward and change its OOC schedules (so you don't have to worry about a title game) instead of to the conference.

 

[bubba2023]

How? Because the committee they dominate has determined that a conference championship game carries a lot of weight, and if they can keep the Big 12 from getting a championship game they increase their chances of getting in the Final 4? Which is my point.

How one conference positions itself affects the other conferences. This isn't nam there are rules.

 

[Scholz]

This isn't nam there are rules.

 

[clob94]

Has anyone seen "The War of the Roses"?

It's likely how the Big 12 will end up.

 

[Bama_Teacher_inTX]

The Big XII got a team into the playoffs this year with 1 loss. And had the easiest path without the extra chance to lose. Don't know why we would want a title game. Don't need the money and can get into the playoffs without it. And a title game makes very little sense after every team has already played everyone else already in the round robin format.

And if you're going to bring up the Baylor snub from year before last, totally different circumstances and teams. A) The Big XII didn't announce one true champ yet and B) Baylor was being punished for its terribly weak OOC schedule.

If I were Baylor fan, I would look inward and change its OOC schedules (so you don't have to worry about a title game) instead of to the conference.

I get why Baylor played weak OOC schedules for years. When they hired Briles they were at about as low of a point as a program could be. Playing a weak OOC gave them a chance to increase win totals and qualify for bowl games. But now that they can win Big 12 titles they REALLY need to step up their OOC. I see OU plays Houston on the road and Ohio State next year. If OU goes through that schedule with only one loss, they are in the playoff again. Texas plays ND and at Cal. If Texas could go through that schedule with one loss, they would be in the playoff. There's no reason for Baylor to not play tougher competition now.

 

[diadevic]

I get why Baylor played weak OOC schedules for years. When they hired Briles they were at about as low of a point as a program could be. Playing a weak OOC gave them a chance to increase win totals and qualify for bowl games. But now that they can win Big 12 titles they REALLY need to step up their OOC. I see OU plays Houston on the road and Ohio State next year. If OU goes through that schedule with only one loss, they are in the playoff again. Texas plays ND and at Cal. If Texas could go through that schedule with one loss, they would be in the playoff. There's no reason for Baylor to not play tougher competition now.

Billings and Coleman are leaving!

 

[Brentwood Sooner]

It passed and probably cost the Big 12 a seat at the table

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...onship-games-all-conferences-big-12/78756848/

 

[Scholz]

How so? Still ignoring how ou got in this year with a loss?

 

[Brentwood Sooner]

How so? Still ignoring how ou got in this year with a loss?

Let's say OU beat OSU then had to turn around and play them again. It's hard to beat a team 2 times let alone back to back games.

 

[Scholz]

OK, that's reasonable and something I agree with. But you were saying you were against the league before this move, that you hoped you guys had "one foot out of the door." So you're anti-Big XII regardless?

 

[CAHorn47]

Has anyone seen "The War of the Roses"?

It's likely how the Big 12 will end up.

Does Bellmont have a chandelier?

 

[misterTeasyEmalcomXf'inAkicksome]

I'm still not convinced that this is a good idea. With 9 conference games and the new Big 12 OOC requirement to play at least 1 power-5 team, everyone has to play 10 Power-5 games already, while in the SEC, only the division champs have to play a 10th one. The conference championship game makes sense when everyone doesn't play each other already. This is an automatic repeat game.

I'm in the camp that believes the 10-team conference is just a holding pattern for us, but this seems like it would make the conference less attractive, not more. But I guess I'll see how the conference votes. I think the best way to go would be to hold onto it as an option, but not take it yet. That being said, I feel like the same concerns that would lead to a "yes" vote would be the concerns that would lead to Texas, OU, or both starting the process that would lead to the Big 12 splitting up.

 

[mikej042002]

BINGO

Future expansion will have to come from either the ACC or the Big 12. Right now the Big 12 is the most likely, and the biggest prize is obviously Texas. Keep the Big 12 down and when it's time to Expand you get Texas and Oklahoma in play to strengthen your conference. Between now and then you erode the Big 12 and or the ACC as much as possible.

Don't you mean TCU? Right now if a team gets beat by Texas it only hurts them.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Don't you mean TCU? Right now if a team gets beat by Texas it only hurts them.

Texas could go winless and they are still the most desirable school / sports entity in college athletics.

In 1997 Texas was still the most valuable athletic program in college football, and we hadn't won jack for 17 years.

It must really burn you aggsy something fierce knowing win or lose you are always in Daddy's shadow.

 

[mikej042002]

Texas could go winless and they are still the most desirable school / sports entity in college athletics.

In 1997 Texas was still the most valuable athletic program in college football, and we hadn't won jack for 17 years.

It must really burn you aggsy something fierce knowing win or lose you are always in Daddy's shadow.

You guys are legends in your own minds. Being the most valuable athletic program doesn't do anything for a teams strength of schedule if said team is not winning more than they are losing.

 

[bubba2023]

Athletic revenue smack talk is the worst kind of smack talk.

 

[oldhorn2]

Aggy discussing strength of schedule is like a fish talking about riding a bicycle.

 

[Scholz]

You guys are legends in your own minds.

This is like Jeffrey Dahmer calling someone crazy.

We have skins on the wall, lesser. You don't.

 

[JoeAg]

Bottom line. All things being equal, that 13th game vs. a legit opponent makes a difference. It was good for you not having a championship game this year. Last year it wasn't. If Stanford would've only had one loss, you would have been left out again without that 13th game. If someone goes undefeated in your conference they would almost certainly be in, but with any losses, other conferences will have to lose for you to get in.

 

[Scholz]

Bottom line. All things being equal, that 13th game vs. a legit opponent makes a difference. It was good for you not having a championship game this year. Last year it wasn't. If Stanford would've only had one loss, you would have been left out again without that 13th game. If someone goes undefeated in your conference they would almost certainly be in, but with any losses, other conferences will have to lose for you to get in.

I don't accept that. If ou beats tOSU as well as Houston next year they're in even with one conference loss. I think it's more of a function of overall schedule. Baylor didn't get year before last due to us not declaring them the true champ as well as them being punished for a pitiful OOC schedule.

 

[JoeAg]

Don't accept it if you choose, but I just think you are putting too little value on that 13th game. I still say that if Stanford would have had only one loss they would have been in ahead of OU. Back loading the schedule helped some, but that one more game at the end carries more weight than a good victory at the beginning of the year.

 

[Scholz]

And you ignore my point about ou's OOC schedule next year and Baylor's circumstances year before last if you choose.

 

[bubba2023]

Every year is going to create it's own unique scenario where a conference championship game may or may not help.

 

[JoeAg]

I agree about Baylor to a point, but TCU got the shaft for the reason I said. Also, I don't necessarily agree about winning those two games for OU next year. Winning early OOC games don't compare with 13th meaningful (Championship) game. Just like losing early doesn't compare with losing late. That's why there is so much more riding on those late games. That is precisely why a 5-7 team beating OU wasn't devastating. It was in October. In late November it would have. So you think OU would have gotten in over Stanford had they only lost one game this year? Not after the way Stanford dispatched of USC in the Championship game.

 

[Scholz]

Every year is going to create it's own unique scenario where a conference championship game may or may not help.

That's correct. It's never going to be "all things remaining equal..." The Big XII this year provided the easiest path to the playoffs and ou was the first one guaranteed a spot. They had one less game where they were in danger of losing. It cuts both ways.

 

[Scholz]

So you think OU would have gotten in over Stanford had they only lost one game this year?

Don't know. But I think you're making a mistake of taking a single example and extrapolating it to how it's going to be every year.

I'm assuming you're just the run of the mill aggy trying to run down the Big XII because conference strength is all you guys have but maybe you're being objective. Don't know that either.