So how will we feel about Herman when we are 6-7?

[BigHookem]

Have a bad feeling about the bowl game. Losing a lot of star players on D to NFL. Offense hasn't been able to do much all year. Herman did less than impress in year 1 and he is on track to equal Charlie Strong @ 6-7.

If Herman loses the bowl game it will be a very long off-season and UT will have serious ticket surpluses on hand for next season.

Lost a lot of confidence in him this year. Not impressed.

 

[bubba2023]

 

[ryan_sublett]

Result of the bowl game reslly doesn’t matter either way. We were still a .500 football team.

 

[LonghornMM]

Have a bad feeling about the bowl game. Losing a lot of star players on D to NFL. Offense hasn't been able to do much all year. Herman did less than impress in year 1 and he is on track to equal Charlie Strong @ 6-7.

If Herman loses the bowl game it will be a very long off-season and UT will have serious ticket surpluses on hand for next season.

Lost a lot of confidence in him this year. Not impressed.

I don't expect Texas will win the bowl game. If they do, I'll be surprised. To me, a loss doesn't change anything. Its all about moving forward and getting better in 2018. Herman's job is to recruit well, have the best coaches on staff, develop players and have them progress in development each year, and to win as many games as possible. Everyone wants to see improvement next year, and rightfully so. There are a lot of what if's going into 2018, but you gotta win. No excuses.

 

[mm42]

Bowl game is not that big a deal. Losing record would be a little embarrassing, but not all bad. Makes it easier to show progress in year 2, even if you still aren't good. Takes pressure off more than anything.

 

[bubba2023]

I am not saying a lot is riding on this but it's also not a throw away game. At some point actually having a winning record is going to be actual progress for this program. I am not sure who on this team can even say they've done that.

I think it's just Hughes, and after he's gone not a single player on the roster has been apart of a winning season.

Hughes and Antwan Davis

 

[mm42]

I am not saying a lot is riding on this but it's also not a throw away game. At some point actually having a winning record is going to be actual progress for this program. I am not sure who on this team can even say they've done that.

I think it's just Hughes, and after he's gone not a single player on the roster has been apart of a winning season.

Decent point. A loser mentality is a real thing. But most kids think they are great and it's not them.

 

[q1w2e3]

There was definite improvement from last year. And considering the personnel and injury issues on offense, the staff did about as good as one could expect if you are being honest and objective.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Herman can do with a better deal of cards.

 

[UTGrad87]

I fully understand that this team was just a few points away from 3 extra wins. I get it. But I'm not feeling good about ole Tommy at this point. My stomach gets in knots whenever I think about him. I have this hunch he's an empty suit, magic beans and smoke n mirrors . . . know what I mean?

There are some things that really bother me about Tom and this staff . . .

1. The number of players who want to leave??
2. They seem to think you win games with skill players only, linemen not necessary??
3. Too loyal to bad coaches, ala Tim Beck??
4. Can't match game plan to player's skills??
5. Likes Sam way too much??

But I'm gonna wait and see how he finishes in recruiting and then watch how the team performs in 2018 before I form a solid opinion of Tom. But me thinks he's that guy who used to say "come one, come all and gaze upon the bearded lady!"

 

[ASURAM2010]

Consider me one that thinks when that the QB who gets UT to the next level isn't on campus yet. And I think the staff understands that. Sam or Shane aren't that guy. Could be one of the '18 QB's and if Tanner Mordecai comes on board, I could definitely see it being him or the QB out of PNG

 

[diadevic]

Man you guys are tough! I did expect that he would light the world on fire, and go 9-3. Ifs and buts, but he was literally 3-5 plays away from being 9-3. He has a top 5 class ready to go. He did this with a true freshman QB. I liken him to Shaka - he can recruit lights out, has had tremendous past success, but we need to see progress in the results. Time will tell. But the key word is "time." And to echo ASURAM - a QB Is needed.

 

[mm42]

There was definite improvement from last year. And considering the personnel and injury issues on offense, the staff did about as good as one could expect if you are being honest and objective.

I'm looking forward to seeing what Herman can do with a better deal of cards.

If you were only talking about the defensive staff I would agree. Fantastic job. But you can not believe the offensive staff did a great job. Can you? They should have been at least subpar on offense, they were worse than that. The OL was not good and the QB was green, but they had some nice skill position talent.

 

[oldhorn2]

ok...I gotta say this.....I see lots of complaints about Herman being too loyal to Beck. I dont get it. What are yall talking about? This is the first year Herman ever worked with Beck. I dont believe he is staying with him out of some big relationship they have.If he stays with Beck( which it appears he will do) it is because he doesnt see Beck as the problem.I remember before the season started that there was concensus around here that the 2 players we absolutely could not afford to lose were Williams and Buschele. Both were lost early. I doubt anyone predicted the devastating injuries we would have to the O Line.

That said, I expected better.It didnt happen.The defense was greatly improved with mostly the same guys. Hermans D got more out of them than the last bunch.I expect to see that kind of improvement on the O side of the ball.


....and what a bunch of wienies....we can win this game..

 

[Mister Moses]

Consider me one that thinks when that the QB who gets UT to the next level isn't on campus yet. And I think the staff understands that. Sam or Shane aren't that guy. Could be one of the '18 QB's and if Tanner Mordecai comes on board, I could definitely see it being him or the QB out of PNG

 

[Mister Moses]

I haven’t heard about Tanner Mordecai being recruited by Texas? He was next up after Rising flipped to Texas. He committed to OU a long time ago.
I think he is really a really good QB. He waould be a idiot to flip. Texas already has two committed.

 

[easttx903]

there is a lot of blame to go around thats for sure. We just need to get everyone on the same page and it didnt look like the players were on the same page with the coaches and i guess thats to be expected with the injuries and the loyalties to the previous staff. I dont really think that the coaches tried to engraciate themselves to the players that were here and that showed. Threatening them with water on cereal for a loss isnt the way to do business in todays world. hopefully everything improves next year.

 

[q1w2e3]

I fully understand that this team was just a few points away from 3 extra wins. I get it. But I'm not feeling good about ole Tommy at this point. My stomach gets in knots whenever I think about him. I have this hunch he's an empty suit, magic beans and smoke n mirrors . . . know what I mean?

There are some things that really bother me about Tom and this staff . . .

1. The number of players who want to leave??
2. They seem to think you win games with skill players only, linemen not necessary??
3. Too loyal to bad coaches, ala Tim Beck??
4. Can't match game plan to player's skills??
5. Likes Sam way too much??

But I'm gonna wait and see how he finishes in recruiting and then watch how the team performs in 2018 before I form a solid opinion of Tom. But me thinks he's that guy who used to say "come one, come all and gaze upon the bearded lady!"

1. None of it really surprises me. There is going to be turnover with a new staff. In a period of three years there were three different head coaches at UT and probably 4-5 different sets of assistant staffs. There are also currently two "transition" recruiting classes making up a large chunk of the roster.

2. Are you referring to the recruiting class? Wait til final signing day to evaluate.

3. Tom hasn't even finished his first season, not sure how that makes sense? As far as Beck, he is just everyone's scapegoat. Everyone wants a quick fix for the lack of offense, and for angry die hard fans replacing the OC (or QB) is the fastest perceived solution. They don't want to have to deal with the reality of the situation which correcting is a relatively slow, long process. Texas' offensive personal was easily in the bottom half of the Big 12 at every single position group on the field except maybe the WR group could crack the top half. There was a major lack of experience, talent, and health on offense and they did about what I would expect for that. I don't think there is some wizard OC out there that could have done much different with that group. However, every single position group on O should be better next year.

4. Elaborate please

5. I might agree on that one

 

[q1w2e3]

If you were only talking about the defensive staff I would agree. Fantastic job. But you can not believe the offensive staff did a great job. Can you? They should have been at least subpar on offense, they were worse than that. The OL was not good and the QB was green, but they had some nice skill position talent.

If the OL is not good and the QB is green, how do you get the ball to the playmakers and make room for RB's??

The OL was maybe going to be average/decent before being devastated with injuries. They were playing 3rd and 4th string guys at multiple positions. TE was down to 3rd string by the 3rd game, and is now literally down to 5th string for the bowl game.....the only remaining scholly TE on the roster.

Skill players? Zero TE's. The top two RB's ended up getting passed by true freshmen. The top three WR's were two true sophs and a RS frosh. The WR group does have some bright spots, but teams were easily able to mitigate this because of no running and game or pass protection.

QB's were a true soph that got hurt, and a true frosh started about half the season.

For most of the season you had true freshmen starting at: QB, RT, TE, RB, RB. That's in addition to three underclassmen starting WR.

If you rank Texas' personnel in the Big 12 I would put it like this:

QB: 6th at best
RB: no better than 7th
OL: 7th?
TE: bottom half
WR: 5th at best

Across the board it is currently weak. Considering Texas finished tied for 7th in the Big 12 in scoring and 6th in total offense, I would say it was about what could be expected

 

[TXSFRED]

I fully understand that this team was just a few points away from 3 extra wins. I get it. But I'm not feeling good about ole Tommy at this point. My stomach gets in knots whenever I think about him. I have this hunch he's an empty suit, magic beans and smoke n mirrors . . . know what I mean?

There are some things that really bother me about Tom and this staff . . .

1. The number of players who want to leave??
2. They seem to think you win games with skill players only, linemen not necessary??
3. Too loyal to bad coaches, ala Tim Beck??
4. Can't match game plan to player's skills??
5. Likes Sam way too much??

But I'm gonna wait and see how he finishes in recruiting and then watch how the team performs in 2018 before I form a solid opinion of Tom. But me thinks he's that guy who used to say "come one, come all and gaze upon the bearded lady!"

Make that four more possible wins against ranked teams that, collectively, won by a total of LESS than 14... and you'd be correct. No one here counts "moral victories" or wants to...but that was how close the truth about the matter was.

And it didn't help much that we were constantly playing musical QBs due to injuries to both...a Sophomore that needs more time with the ONES and a Freshman QB that also needs more time with the ONES.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Okay I got a question which offensive coordinator did you guys like Beck or the one from last year I forgot his name already.

 

[LonghornMM]

Okay I got a question which offensive coordinator did you guys like Beck or the one from last year I forgot his name already.

Sterlin Gilbert. He did really well at USF this year. He inherited a very good QB and made Charlie Strong look really good.

 

[MadDogKC]

Consider me one that thinks when that the QB who gets UT to the next level isn't on campus yet. And I think the staff understands that. Sam or Shane aren't that guy. Could be one of the '18 QB's and if Tanner Mordecai comes on board, I could definitely see it being him or the QB out of PNG

So true

 

[EyesOnTexas]

Consider me one that thinks when that the QB who gets UT to the next level isn't on campus yet. And I think the staff understands that. Sam or Shane aren't that guy. Could be one of the '18 QB's and if Tanner Mordecai comes on board, I could definitely see it being him or the QB out of PNG

Tanner is going to OU

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I'm fine with Herman just as I was with Strong the first year. Change takes time and I'm willing to give it to Herman I don't like including Strong's record with Herman and getting upset because we don't have a winning record yet or may not. I separate the two and I'm willing to get through the crap but would like to see progress next season and not a 5-7 season or 6-6.

 

[ASURAM2010]

I haven’t heard about Tanner Mordecai being recruited by Texas? He was next up after Rising flipped to Texas. He committed to OU a long time ago.
I think he is really a really good QB. He waould be a idiot to flip. Texas already has two committed.

My bad, got the wrong name. For whatever reason I thought he was in the next class

 

[bubba2023]

You are thinking Tanner McKee who is the highly rated 2018 guy, but he's going on a 2 year Mormon mission. He's effectively a 2020 guy.

 

[JoeAg]

This year really doesn't mean much in the big picture. Your schedule sets up well next year, especially with all the QBs leaving next year. I think NEXT year will be a hint of whether Herman is on the right track or not.

 

[TexExSpur]

I officially don't give a shit! The recruits don't either, what an unreal Signing Day!

 

[Belldozer1]

Bowl game is not that big a deal. Losing record would be a little embarrassing, but not all bad. Makes it easier to show progress in year 2, even if you still aren't good. Takes pressure off more than anything.

I agree here. Hell if I was Herman, realize this season sucked and another loss isn’t going to make or break anything anyway. Knowing you have a great recruiting class coming in, concentrate on winning at least 8 games next year to show improvement.

 

[UTGrad87]

1. None of it really surprises me. There is going to be turnover with a new staff. In a period of three years there were three different head coaches at UT and probably 4-5 different sets of assistant staffs. There are also currently two "transition" recruiting classes making up a large chunk of the roster.

2. Are you referring to the recruiting class? Wait til final signing day to evaluate.

3. Tom hasn't even finished his first season, not sure how that makes sense? As far as Beck, he is just everyone's scapegoat. Everyone wants a quick fix for the lack of offense, and for angry die hard fans replacing the OC (or QB) is the fastest perceived solution. They don't want to have to deal with the reality of the situation which correcting is a relatively slow, long process. Texas' offensive personal was easily in the bottom half of the Big 12 at every single position group on the field except maybe the WR group could crack the top half. There was a major lack of experience, talent, and health on offense and they did about what I would expect for that. I don't think there is some wizard OC out there that could have done much different with that group. However, every single position group on O should be better next year.

4. Elaborate please

5. I might agree on that one

2. Yeah, referring to this class. Every time I read a recruiting update, its about UT recruiting a 4* db, wr, te or lb. It seems the big uglies are an after thought. JUCO and grad transfers should not be our plan with regard to lineman. If you put a 5* RB behind a 3* star line he's gonna look like crap. My apologies to Connor Williams.

3. Tim Beck is Watson all over again. The fact that the fans at tOSU and Nebraska thinks he stinks is all the proof I need to know he needs to go. Just a bad hire and his performance this year just re-enforces that for me.

4. UT has a slot receiver named Duvernay that runs a 10.2 100 meters. Was he used properly this year? How about 6'6" Johnson at wr? How many jump balls did he catch over the middle this year against 5'10" dbs? What about wr Foreman? What about Porter, who BTW couldn't break an arm tackle from my mom. Am I really supposed to believe Shane can't throw the ball to the middle of the field? I could go on and on. Take advantage of Duvernays speed, of Johnsons height, of Foreman experience, of Buecheles accuracy . . . and put Porter on the bench. This is what Im talking about. These things drove me nuts week after week and I just don't get it. We have weapons, use them!

These are some of the reasons why I have a bad feeling about Tommy.

 

[Older Fan]

Herman's biggest problem this year in my opinion was dealing with a team that didn't know how to win. This is a much bigger problem than people understand when they doubt themselves.

 

[Belldozer1]

If I’m the Athletic director looking to hire a head coach, I hire a great offense/defense coordinator with the clear understanding that they’re being hired on as the head coach But that they will also continue in their sole role of the OC/DC, you know, the thing they’re good at. I don’t understand why admins think just because someone is a good/great coordinator that they would make a good/great head coach.

 

[mm42]

Year 1 is a mulligan. You' might know if Herman is the guy in about a year.

If he wins 10 and has another top 5 class next year, extend him and thank your lucky stars.

If he wins 8 and has a top 20 class, it's a 50/50 thing.

If he wins 6 and has a top 25 class, the AD should probably see if Patterson would like to meet for drinks and discuss 2020.

 

[diadevic]

4. UT has a slot receiver named Duvernay that runs a 10.2 100 meters. Was he used properly this year?

No kidding! This guy is a game breaker. True Freshman stats - 20 catches, 412 yards, over 20 yards per catch, and 3 td's. This year - 9 catches, 124 yards, 13.8 YPC and no td's. How can that possibly happen? Is he a lazy head case? Or does someone need to slip the OC a note and let him know Duvernay is fast?

 

[ryan_sublett]

No kidding! This guy is a game breaker. True Freshman stats - 20 catches, 412 yards, over 20 yards per catch, and 3 td's. This year - 9 catches, 124 yards, 13.8 YPC and no td's. How can that possibly happen? Is he a lazy head case? Or does someone need to slip the OC a note and let him know Duvernay is fast?

There were a lot of cases of guys being used at odd times, not in the right spots or made a play or two and then didn’t see the field again that game. It was very odd.

Next year will be an uphill battle. I figure we’re only likely to be favored in 3 games. Probably 4 coin flips and the rest were probably significant underdogs.... Honestly 6 wins would probably be a hell of a job