Strong Knows Who The Starter Will Be
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You take this stuff way too serious dudeSarcastic is one starter equaling "half of their team"? Got it, full blown retarded. Thanks.
Fear? Disappointment and skepticism is more appropriate. If you can convince yourself that Swoopes is going to be a good QB, wonderful. We all saw him look awful during the spring game. And that was without any threat of being hit. What you, and eventually all of us are going to have to come to terms with, is that that guy, with the benefit of 15 additional practices, is going to start for our team again.
Realistically, Swoopes has not become a different QB overnight. Strong is probably looking at a senior QB with game experience, and a freshman who has never taken a college snap, without as much separation as we had all hoped, and thinks Swoopes is the safer bet, but, if he can't move the offense, Buchele is ready to go. Thats dissapointing. Even the report that confirmed Swoopes will start said Buchele is still moving the chains better.
IF the ball is on either hash it is really hard to disguise cover 1 with any kind of trips look. You have to walk someone down on number 2 and slide the FS to the strength of the formation. That essentially leaves the backside guy zeroed up unless they have an Earl Thomas type back there. In that situation it should be an easy read.
The other thing that happens if you go cover 1 the TE will pull someone away from the run game. If you go nickel and cover with the SS or if you go base and cover with the LB. On veer plays the TE is going straight to the second level so in cover 1 if he makes his release to the second level look like a hook/curl he is going to take his man with him.
Shane is going to be a good QB, playing Swoopes simply doesn't phase me.
The way I look at it, Shane is one good lick from Swoopes playing....regardless of talent.
The kid is going to play.
As for Swoopes:
Now that Texas is running a simplistic system that isn't full of complicated looks in a playbook and it's not being called by Watson, I'd love to see what Swoopes can do. He will do anything to help this team win, the kid could have slouched over and road the pine like a pansy or some of our candy ass fans, but he chose to contribute however he could. I watched the kids confidence grow throughout the season and He wasn't disappointing in the BU game to close out 2015.
I'm not saying Swoopes is going to be an all-time great QB, Horn.
He has a cannon, is a high percentage passer in the short game and he's big which makes him harder to bring down. He won't have to think or even work the field like he did for Watson. I think he can easily surprise his doubters in 2016. Again, I like Shane and his moxie, but I sure wish we could shirt him.
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The vast majority of reports this summer have disagreed with this.
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I said after the Spring game that Strong sounded scared to start Buchele. He is a defensive minded coach, and defense first coaches hate turnovers. From what I can gather from practice reports, Buchele moves the chains better, but also turns the ball over more, which is exactly what you would expect from a freshman.
Here in lies the problem: We didn't get blown out by ND last year bc of turnovers. We got blown out because the offense could not stay on the field. It was three and out, over, and over, and over.
I guess the good news is if it starts to get out of hand, Buchele is still there on the sideline. I hate the idea of giving him his first snaps with the game already lopsided, but it seems like this is what Strong always planned to do absent Buchele blowing away Swoopes in camp, which apparently he did not do.
The irony just flies above your head. Back to the thread:
Strong is in a difficult position here. My opinion is he starts Swoopes. Maybe Gilbert can get Swppoes in a short type of passing game similar to what was done with Colt.
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I don't expect to beat ND regardless, but we know what Swoopes is. He's a SR for god sakes and has played poorly every year including his senior year in high school. This offense will not be very effective with Swoopes starting. Starting him tells me that the QB competition wasn't 1 sided like the reports have been indicating or the coaches completely lost their minds. I assume it's the former in which case this offense probably isn't going to be that effective this year if there is no one that is a cut above Swoopes.
Nothing you have ever said has ever flown over anyone's head.
You support a guy who wants to bring back torture and murder the family members of terrorists. And you're calling other people immoral. You're the dumbest, most dishonest, most deficient of character human being I interact with in my life.
I think it's funny that you believe it's a fear factor, it has nothing to do with being scared. This is not a decision he is making alone. His OC is picking his guy to put under center. While the kid (SB) looks good in practice, "you" haven't seen him against a defense at full speed. Forget the Spring game, It's a glorified practice. Had Shane taken that lick when he ran up the middle in live action, he likely would have been lying on the ground and pain. If Swoopes can do what they need and allow them to gradually introduce the kid to the game, he will be much better off, IMHO. Forget ND 2015, the scheme, OL, RB's and WR are at a completely different level.
I don't think we beat ND regardless of who is under center and I think they'll lose by 10 or more when it's all said and done.
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I agree on the fear angle. Strong has thrown plenty of true freshmen, RS freshmen, or just generally green players out there to sink or swim on both sides of the ball. I don't think he is afraid of starting a freshmen. I just think it's a matter of us still not having someone proven to be better than Swoopes. That scares me though.
A freshmen shouldn't look better than a Senior at this point (regardless of how bad some folks think the senior is). He will look and preform better in all aspects of the game, give it time. He is the better prospect and will develop into a good QB. We simply need to give the kid time...
Ultimately, Shane would greatly benefit from a red shirt season. He's not going to get that luxury.
This is exactly what I'm saying: From J Wells
"The quarterback situation seems pretty clear at this point, even if it doesn't make all that much sense to many. A good example of it not making sense to people was yesterday when I was at a birthday gathering that featured heavy Longhorn fan representation.
"Swoopes isn't really going to start, is he?" I replied that it appears most likely at this point, to which my wife almost spit out her beer.
The thing to keep in mind is that Tyrone Swoopes is doing anything but running away with the job. An indication of this is the even reps each are getting, also we continue to hear that Shane Buechele looks better overall.
So why are we here after Buechele had the better spring? It's important to keep in mind Swoopes didn't have a bad spring; he showed real improvement in the up-tempo offense. At this point Strong just appears more comfortable starting the player with experience, even if that experience is likely a negative.
I can tell you the team's faith is largely restored in Swoopes from where it was after Notre Dame last year, which is a testament to both Tyrone and Sterlin Gilbert. If Swoopes makes the right reads and plays with confidence, Texas can still win the game but if I had to guess, we'll see him get the start and then give way to Buechele a series or two later. From there it's entirely up to Shane.
"Both Shane and Tyrone are going to play against Notre Dame. Shane is better and will be number one eventually, he just needs more time. Tyrone getting the 1st reps because he's older and has earned the respect of team and coaches, but overall the position is shared. Shane has more talent and is consistently better but Tyrone still has those big plays and money throws."
If Texas can get a really dominate running game going early, it can really make things easy on Swoopes or Buechele. Alabama has had mediocre passing qb play since Saban's been there but usually have a bruising running game and they've done ok.
...and for those that want to trash Swoopes for being a great practice QB but look at what Shane did in the Spring game as an indication of how awesome he is....let's not pretend the Spring game is anything more than a glorified practice.
The word you're struggling for is "dominant". Why are all of you okies so illiterate? Honest question.
no Schultz not struggling for the right word whatsoever. I'm typing on my iPhone with auto correct. I don't sit in a cubicle all day like yourself.
Ain't Scholz a breath of fresh air? You need to see a doctor of the mind Scholz. Bigots have nothing on you. What a liberal American you are. Proud not to personally know you. I know you don't represent the Horn nation. I have some great Longhorn fans that grew up in Austin. Ain't nothing wrong with Longhorns but you make me dislike them with your mouth or fingers typing out hate. A liberal LMAO
Totally agree. We have heard for the same story for 3 consecutive summers now on him. Sucks for him that we spent 4 years with 4 different offenses. As much as I think he is a quality kid, he just doesn't have it in him to be the QB his 'potential' had many thinking he could become.
I do believe that Gilbert's O will make Swoopes look better. And yet, he is still Swoopes. I can understand starting the SR over the FR in game 1.
But if we spend the entire year with Swoopes as the starter, we will be around a .500 team yet again. This new O will mask some of his issues and he/the entire team will be better for it, but he still is what we thought he was (cue Denny Green). A guy that ran a single wing, running O in high school and lost most of his games vs weak competition.
He was taken on size/speed/arm strength potential....hoping he would learn to be a QB, command a huddle, develop some accuracy along with better mechanics, learn to read a D, and someone they hoped could put it all together and become a QB. He just isn't going to reach that potential.
Can't wait to see a real game. Spring games and practice. That's what we are relegated to talking about.
After 4 years, the fact that Swoopes isn't dominating both spring games AND practice, concerns me.
The growth that the frosh has shown from practice 1 til now, is about what happens for FR. The fact that he showed up in a spring game, doesn't make me think he will for sure be great in real games. But it does give hope. Some guys are just gamers. Swoopes is neither. He should be crushing a true frosh in practice and in the spring, he isn't.
I'd rather not start him by default. I think the new O will makes Swoopes look better. But his ceiling is limited. Get him out, give Buechele the shot. Not by default, but because he can make this O go better. And so we get out of this cycle of starting crappy QBs just because they are older. If we sit Buechele this year. And next year we are talking about our QB depth chart being Buechele with no experience and another true frosh in Ehlinger.
I don't disagree, But...This team is a 7 win type team regardless of whom is at the helm. If the staff is more comfortable starting out with Swoopes under Center, so be it. They're both going to play, in situational circumstance for one more so than the other. It's highly unlikely that Shane leads the team to anything more than they can get out of playing the compilation of both while weaning SB of the tit to take over as the future at the position. Ehlinger will shirt if he sticks and he should stick.
Like I said previously, I'm not of the opinion that Texas wins on the 4th.
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Talking about the friend of wifebeaters Bob Stoops and his disgusting followers who recruit and keep football players who beat up girls.
Not sure how Hillary Clinton getting cheated on applies. But you're a complete dumbass so... And the royal family of Saudi Arabia? You mean the personal friends of the Bush family? Them?
Not sure how Hillary Clinton getting cheated on applies. But you're a complete dumbass so... And the royal family of Saudi Arabia? You mean the personal friends of the Bush family? Them?
I think it's all about managing expectations. My initial expectations for this season weren't high 6 to 7 wins. I wasn't happy, but that was reality. Then my hope crept in and bumped it up to 8-9 wins. Now it's like I am slowly sliding back down to reality even though I never should have left there in the first place.
You are getting hung up on the word "scared". I don't mean he is literally afraid. A better word would be hesitant, or even better, risk adverse, when it comes to offense. He clearly has some reservations about starting a freshman, every coach out there does. The problem is that he knows the other option is very limited. He is inaccurate and gets easily rattled with some pressure. The article you posted words it this way:
"So why are we here after Buechele had the better spring? It's important to keep in mind Swoopes didn't have a bad spring; he showed real improvement in the up-tempo offense. At this point Strong just appears more comfortable starting the player with experience, even if that experience is likely a negative."
Its all the same. He'd rather play the QB who is less capable because he is "more comfortable" with someone who isn't a freshman.
Like I said in an earlier post. Buchele will still be there if Swoopes fails, I just hate to see him get put in down a score or two.
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