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Texas Monthly says Strong had less talent than prior HCs

when he was handed the HC reigns in Austin. The article traces the Texas Head Coaches back from Royal to Strong. The article makes the case that Strong had less to work with than his predecessors in years 1-3.
http://www.texasmonthly.com/the-dai...rlie-strong-with-nothing-and-heres-the-proof/
Thanks for sharing, 4MN. Pretty accurate re-hash of ups/downs we suffered in the 80s/90s. I will only take issue with the author calling Applewhite an elite college QB. I respect Applewhite's role at Texas, but, suffice it to say that Ricky was the main reason he was a decent QB. RICKY was AWESOME to say the least.
 
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Its a poorly written article. The big problem is the lack of depth, lack of development, and some horrible misses at the QB and OLine. Then there is the whole entitlement issue. Someone around 2005 we started to hear that Texas players were soft. Our strength coach coached from his office with a bull horn. Coaches didn't want to do the work in recruiting and we were left with some nice pieces but no real depth.
 
I know for a fact that Mack left the program in better shape than Fred Akers did when he got canned. Not only did McWilliams take over a program in worse shape, we were also on probation.

This program wasn't in bad shape in oline until he kicked half of it off and the other half got injured.

The one place this program was in bad shape was QB, other than that we had some talent.

But like I say, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link and QB position was as weak as they come.
 
I know for a fact that Mack left the program in better shape than Fred Akers did when he got canned. Not only did McWilliams take over a program in worse shape, we were also on probation.

This program wasn't in bad shape in oline until he kicked half of it off and the other half got injured.

The one place this program was in bad shape was QB, other than that we had some talent.

But like I say, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link and QB position was as weak as they come.
Your point on talent is debatable, but, it is a valid point. I remember vividly the argument being that Akers failed immensely at not recruiting while he was on top. It is much easier to recruit the best when you are at the top of your game and it was a major "fail" not to take advantage of that. I don't know if he got lazy, complacent, or took things for granted. Then there was another theory of having jerks as recruiters whereby they would attempt to strongarm the blue chips. To this day, you hear commentators say ridiculous things like "Texas doesn't recruit, they select". That is plain stupid and creates a false arrogance pinned on Texas. Texas has arrogance in pride which I am at front and center, however, the type of arrogance Texas gets accused of is just not accurate. Recruiting is hard work. Times have changed and blue chips want to play in their first or second year. The days of red shirting and waiting for 5th year seniors to graduate before getting playing time is laughable and not relevant to the mind of top recruits.
 
Strong had a tough job to do when he arrived in Austin. He made it harder on himself by hiring Watson as the OC. Most every Longhorn already knew that he was terrible. I have no doubt that there were some talent issues, especially at QB. IMO, a good OC should have made fixing the QB situation his #1 priority or retool the offense to fit your current QBs. Beyond that, I don't know what our talent issues were other than behavioral problems.
 
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Oh man............ did I read this correctly?


Did Vance Bedford really retweet this article? If I'm an upperclassmen, I'm not sure how I'd feel about my coach using this on his Twitter feed.......
 
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I know for a fact that Mack left the program in better shape than Fred Akers did when he got canned. Not only did McWilliams take over a program in worse shape, we were also on probation.

This program wasn't in bad shape in oline until he kicked half of it off and the other half got injured.

The one place this program was in bad shape was QB, other than that we had some talent.

But like I say, a chain is only as strong as it's weakest link and QB position was as weak as they come.


This x100
 
Westex....Ackers began to fail because he was the " Poster Child" for alienating Texas high school coaches. He was arrogant with them beyond belief.

while I am at it.....yeah there was talent here when Strong arrived, but none at QB....Also much of it was "poison"

STrong HAD to root out the drug users and " non students"....tHen his main line man got injured and was out. We had no depth at line and had to play anyone we had.Dont tell me he had lots of talent when it was scattered about here and there.
 
He kicked 2 olineman off the team. Desmond Harrison was in the doghouse under Mack Brown and he couldn't even make it a semester under strong. Kennedy Estelle was an NFL prospect who wanted to be a gangster rapper and smoke weed all day. The other players that were dismissed were Kendall Sanders (WR) and Joe Bergeron (RB) and backups Leroy Scott (DB) , Chet Moss (RB) , Montrel Meander (WR), Jalen Overstreet (RB/QB), Chevoski Collins (WR) and Deoundrei Davis (LB). I don't see anyone of those guys adding depth to the Oline. Maybe Moss get spun down to add depth the the D line and maybe Davis adds depth at LB but honestly I don't see a 2015 difference maker on that list. More like cancers buried on the depth chart.
 
I don't blame Strong for the purge. That's what's involved in a culture change, and I agree with speedstrength that there weren't many contributors anyways. It needed to be done. Bergeron and Estelle were the only players released that would have made an impact last year, and don't really see any 2015 impact players.

Purge or not, he has enough talent to beat Iowa State or make a bowl, and he failed at that.
 
Westex....Ackers began to fail because he was the " Poster Child" for alienating Texas high school coaches. He was arrogant with them beyond belief.

while I am at it.....yeah there was talent here when Strong arrived, but none at QB....Also much of it was "poison"

STrong HAD to root out the drug users and " non students"....tHen his main line man got injured and was out. We had no depth at line and had to play anyone we had.Dont tell me he had lots of talent when it was scattered about here and there.
Yes. Very true Oldhorn. That would go along with how their philosphy on recruiting was handled. A while back on this board, blh111 had posted a good article on Eric Dickerson and how he was handled. It is simply too bad, but, it's water under the bridge at this point. Think of how many wasted years those broken relationships took to reverse. I would venture to say that it took Mack Brown to fully restore the damage and get our recruiting back to where it should be.
 
I think people are confused about what is expected or what was expected. I expected our players to SHOW UP and play HARD. I expected them to get BETTER as the seasons went along. I did not expect Texas to make it to the playoffs undefeated. I expect to score against IOWA F'N STATE. I don't think that is debatable. I expect Texas to get a few DTs from Texas....we shall see.
 
I'm so sick of the constant rehashing of the 'cupboard was bare' argument.
Strong's team hasn't shown improvement at all over the course of the past two years. And as for the 'young team' excuse, they didn't show improvement over the past season. One would expect some growth or maturity, but I haven't seen it.
 
ATTENTION EVERYONE: A team can't win if they don't have a QB, PERIOD. Until that happen, we will be in the same position next year. Hopefully the freshman comes in and ball or Kai steps up because Heard and Swoops didn't well at all. Even though i like the 18 wheeler package
 
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This is ridiculous....

Texas won 5 games.

5 games ....

Strong needs to be fired if we aren't 8-4 or better at the end of 2016.

He made his own bed.

ATTENTION EVERYONE: A team can't win if they don't have a QB, PERIOD. Until that happen, we will be in the same position next year. Hopefully the freshman comes in and ball or Kai steps up because Heard and Swoops didn't well at all. Even though i like the 18 wheeler package
 
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I agree that Texas is limited without a capable QB. Our current QBs haven't shown much, beyond running, on Saturdays. I also agree that Strong made a mistake with Watson. However, I believe the new Texas OC hires will have a positive impact on the scoreboard next season.

I do question how much time a HC should get to recruit/install a capable QB or offense to fit his QB(s)? Until then, what is the acceptable downside (losses)? Once a capable QB or offense is installed, what is acceptable (wins/losses)?
 
I agree that Texas is limited without a capable QB. Our current QBs haven't shown much, beyond running, on Saturdays. I also agree that Strong made a mistake with Watson. However, I believe the new Texas OC hires will have a positive impact on the scoreboard next season.

I do question how much time a HC should get to recruit/install a capable QB or offense to fit his QB(s)? Until then, what is the acceptable downside (losses)? Once a capable QB or offense is installed, what is acceptable (wins/losses)?
Charlie has paid a hefty price and is solely responsible for bringing Watson to the 40. I agree, it was a big mistake. Hopefully, the Gilbert hire will put the offense on fast track. I think it will pay off for a couple of reasons. 1) Sterlin Gilbert looks to be a rising star and we all hope he is as good as advertised. 2) I am beginning to question more and more the internal strife whereby Watson/Wickline/Norvell were battling for turf. I don't have any inside info, but, it is a very common occurrence for this to occur in any business. If this was happening, then, no matter how good our QBs were, it would have been difficult for them to succeed.
 
I remain in Charlies corner.I believe he did have disadvantages coming here that most coaches never had to face, and the odds were not in his favor. Knowing this he still held strong to his beliefs and values....He inforced his rules which caused some to quit and others were told to leave. Some of these guys were core players. Where we were the thinnest was on offense and our flaws could not be over come. Still, it was on Strong. swVA warned us before a down was played that Watson was a very bad choice. This was a very accurate view. We did have talent on defense, but the offense was bad.That drug the team to mediocrity and held back some big time recruits(see Mack)...

Right now we have a bit of a quandry....Strong can recruit with the best of them. He can evaluate talent and can develop talent.I dont think there is any dispute there. Where we have a problem is that Strong allowed this poisonous condition to fester.( bad fits coaching wise) Hopefully, he has done what needs to be done with correcting this. Will we now be able to move forward?...Hopefully so.
 
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Everyone has the right to be wrong :)

This is Charlie's fault, he made some mistakes.

I think he will get the remainder of his contract to fix things.

However, I believe Charlie is a victim of the Peter principle. And I don't expect things to turn around.

I remain in Charlies corner.I believe he did have disadvantages coming here that most coaches never had to face, and the odds were not in his favor. Knowing this he still held strong to his beliefs and values....He inforced his rules which caused some to quit and others were told to leave. Some of these guys were core players. Where we were the thinnest was on offense and our flaws could not be over come. Still, it was on Strong. swVA warned us before a down was played that Watson was a very bad choice. This was a very accurate view. We did have talent on defense, but the offense was bad.That drug the team to mediocrity and held back some big time recruits(see Mack)...

Right now we have a bit of a quandry....Strong can recruit with the best of them. He can evaluate talent and can develop talent.I dont think there is any dispute there. Where we have a problem is that Strong allowed this poisonous condition to fester.( bad fits coaching wise) Hopefully, he has done what needs to be done with correcting this. Will we now be able to move forward?...Hopefully so.
 
Charlie has paid a hefty price and is solely responsible for bringing Watson to the 40. I agree, it was a big mistake. Hopefully, the Gilbert hire will put the offense on fast track. I think it will pay off for a couple of reasons. 1) Sterlin Gilbert looks to be a rising star and we all hope he is as good as advertised. 2) I am beginning to question more and more the internal strife whereby Watson/Wickline/Norvell were battling for turf. I don't have any inside info, but, it is a very common occurrence for this to occur in any business. If this was happening, then, no matter how good our QBs were, it would have been difficult for them to succeed.

I'm down with this.

I will add to the discussion, that the team was not devoid of talent. It had holes. That was magnified by attrition. But no one made Strong hire Watson and then retain him.

And no one told Strong he wasn't allowed to address glaring holes with transfers in and/or Juco guys.
 
I mean even a drunk Sumlin got a transfer in. When his QB situation looked solid with a 5 star returning frosh in Allen and an incoming 5 star in Murray. Good thing he still went and got Hubenak.


Strong came in and every person in American knew QB was a hole. He banked on Ash being healthy and a SO in Swoopes who we knew needed development. And a true frosh Heard whom he wanted to RS. Common sense says get another QB in.

Fast forward to year 2 and he whiffed again. Knowing he had Swoopes, and a RS frosh with no snaps in Heard and a true frosh in Locksley. Meanwhile FSU gets Golson and Oregon gets Adams and on and on you can point out xfers, jucos, and grad QBs.


And while I love what we have coming in, with Buechele. We are doing it again. Not addressing QB situation with experience. Instead banking on a bunch of young guys.....behind a green OL.......recipe for disaster.

Trenches and QB. Lets build it by aggressively addressing it. Yesterday.
 
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Hold up. Rewind. Whether we have talent, had talent, cupboard bare, whatever the case......... does our DC need to be retweeting an article that says basically "all these kids sucked and that's why charlie and I can't win".....??

What kind of message is Vance sending out to his current players?????
 
Oh man............ did I read this correctly?


Did Vance Bedford really retweet this article? If I'm an upperclassmen, I'm not sure how I'd feel about my coach using this on his Twitter feed.......

Not any different from him saying if all things are equal the younger guys play to get ready for the future. Which I thought was stupid.

But take a look at the this years Juniors and tell me who besides Ridgeway is an all conference guy? And keep in mind there are only 3 or 4 guys left on campus from the 2013 class. http://insidetexas.com/football/football.php?pg=fb_roster
 
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Charlie has paid a hefty price and is solely responsible for bringing Watson to the 40. I agree, it was a big mistake. Hopefully, the Gilbert hire will put the offense on fast track. I think it will pay off for a couple of reasons. 1) Sterlin Gilbert looks to be a rising star and we all hope he is as good as advertised. 2) I am beginning to question more and more the internal strife whereby Watson/Wickline/Norvell were battling for turf. I don't have any inside info, but, it is a very common occurrence for this to occur in any business. If this was happening, then, no matter how good our QBs were, it would have been difficult for them to succeed.

Bringing him back for the second year yes. But some the issues with the original staff can be traced back to the BMD not allowing a hire until after Mack lost the bowl game to Oregon. The BMDs wanted to keep Mack if he won. Strong was hired after most new staffs had been built and he had slim pickings.
 
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I do think Strong kind of divided the team by his players and Macks players. Bedford made it worse by retweeting that. It sends the wrong message. Quit blaming and accept some blame yourself Strong and Bedford.

Having said that I still hope Strong succeeds.
 
I do think Strong kind of divided the team by his players and Macks players. Bedford made it worse by retweeting that. It sends the wrong message. Quit blaming and accept some blame yourself Strong and Bedford.

Having said that I still hope Strong succeeds.



Nailed it.
 
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I do think Strong kind of divided the team by his players and Macks players. Bedford made it worse by retweeting that. It sends the wrong message. Quit blaming and accept some blame yourself Strong and Bedford.

Having said that I still hope Strong succeeds.

Next year there will be about 15 scholarship guys that were coached by Mack. Only about 5 of those contribute in a significant way. I don't have the issue with it now that I had with the beginning of the season younger guys play if equal statement by Bedford.
 
That burnt orange nation article from September is a heck of an indictment on Charlie Strong's offensive incompetence.
 
September???

ok I just read it....of course I read it back in September also......kind of silly to bring it up now. If you want to bag on Strong there are plenty of things you can bring up, but an article from September?....jeeeze
 
I thought the article spoke to a point that was being debated. And hopefully might have a solution with the new hires. But what that article brought up back then, played right out in to this past season and even today with new offensive hires.
 
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I just read it today. I didn't realize his trend of bad coaching hires at OC existed at Lousiville and UT (besides Watson). I hope the new OC hires break the trend.
 
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