The "baked the cake" comments....

[swVAHorn]

I have been thinking about Strong and his comments....I baked the cake....then at his press conf he said basically the same thing with the comment.....I laid the foundation for great success....

These statements kind of hit me wrong. It is like he is taking credit for future success....or.....He is saying it is not his fault if there is no success.

Am I taking these statements wrong? I kind of hope I am because I like Strong. But it just seems he can't accept his role in the last 3 years.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I have been thinking about Strong and his comments....I baked the cake....then at his press conf he said basically the same thing with the comment.....I laid the foundation for great success....

These statements kind of hit me wrong. It is like he is taking credit for future success....or.....He is saying it is not his fault if there is no success.

Am I taking these statements wrong? I kind of hope I am because I like Strong. But it just seems he can't accept his role in the last 3 years.

He baked the cake and we paid him handsomely for it. I don't take anything away from what he did by recruiting and getting rid of dead weight. He did do that and he should get credit.

Have you ever taken over a job from someone that either quit or was fired and found out some things they did were amazing and some were shit? That is exactly what Strong did.

 

[bubba2023]

How is Strong recruiting well and not have a clue how to run the program any different than Mack recruiting well and not having a clue in the end? I am suppose to appreciate what Strong did, but not Mack's 2010-2013 seasons? His bake the caked crap is ridiculous and it makes him sound just as delusional as Mack.

 

[swVAHorn]

How is Strong recruiting well and not have a clue how to run the program any different than Mack recruiting well and not having a clue in the end? I am suppose to appreciate what Strong did, but not Mack's 2010-2013 seasons? His bake the caked crap is ridiculous and it makes him sound just as delusional as Mack.

I guess I am seeing it the same as you are. He is acting as if though he did everything great and didn't get the opportunity to finish it. The mistakes he made in games would not be accepted at the high school level as far as time management etc... I am disappointed in Strong since his firing. Instead of saying...I made some bad hires, I should have done this..or should have done that...and then saying he learned from it....He thinks it was JUST about wins and losses. His teams played undisciplined football week in and week out.

Now he gets to claim success if Herman has it (He will I believe) or if Herman fails it is not because of what Strong left him. Strong needs to accept HIS part in the failures he had while at Texas.

 

[swVAHorn]

He baked the cake and we paid him handsomely for it. I don't take anything away from what he did by recruiting and getting rid of dead weight. He did do that and he should get credit.

Have you ever taken over a job from someone that either quit or was fired and found out some things they did were amazing and some were shit? That is exactly what Strong did.

Some of you who are acting like he "cleaned" up the program need to cite some kind of proof. Same as the "dead weight". Cause he sure didn't show any of those things the last 3 years on gameday.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Some of you who are acting like he "cleaned" up the program need to cite some kind of proof. Same as the "dead weight". Cause he sure didn't show any of those things the last 3 years on gameday.

Just because he got rid of the slackers doesn't "automagically" mean wins. I'm in no way saying he handled game planning and time management on the field great. Also I have never went on the hell bent end to say Mack ruined the UT football program like I've seen posted a few times. He (Mack) might not have had a great class and some slackers but I never made any excuses for Strong not being successful. If you read Strong's comments on his predecessor at USF he also said Taggart built the ground work for him (Strong) to be successful. Picking and choosing what Strong says about what he did at UT and not taking his full statement on what he's also saying about USF is looking for a negative in Strong. The guy didn't do a great job at winning but to say he didn't recruit well or remove some of the fools out of the UT program is just ignoring it and looking at all the bad.

 

[EWNHorn]

Here is how I see it ( and I am not an expert)....but Strong collected some of the finest ingredients there were out there. He carefully picked them and brought them to the counter. But he had no idea how much of each ingredient should be combined and when to be added. So he in turn was the ingredient collector of the kitchen and now we need a master chef to come in to combine and bake them. I don't believe he "baked the cake", I think he collected some great ingredients and prepared them for the baker to finish............but I am tired of him saying that as well and I was a Strong supporter. He couldn't do it so now it's time to bake the cake and shove it down some throats to bring in those W's we want so badly............

 

[oldhorn2]

swVA....I believe he did a great deal in "cleaning up the program" I think he did a good job in clearing out deadwood. I cite as proof the great "attrition" that occurred right after he came. The guys that left or were ushered out were poison in my opinion and needed to go. I dont think a single one of them did anything significant after leaving here. They were not super stars and they were all vastly over rated. I thank Strong for that. The bigger mystery to me is ....what happened to Mack? Not in the history of CFB has a team gone for playing in a National Championship game one year to a losing season the next. Mack just quit.

Charlie could recruit and he could set standards, but I now come to realize that he couldnt coach a lick.He was,as that sorry bastard McCombs said, a good position coach or even a coordinator, but not a head coach.He and Chizik,& Muschamp just cant be the boss. I dont agree that he baked the cake. I think he supplied the recipe, but he didnt know how to put it all together. I like Charlie, but I dont think he will ever be successful as a head coach.

I also disagree that he and Herman were much the same before coming here. There were red flags all over Strong. I didnt see them, but you did. Herman simply doesnt have those red flags. He has shown ability as a game day coach. Strong was known as not so good there.(hell Mack was no good there either)Herman is widely regarded as being very detail orientated. Strong was known not to be.....never gave a kicker a second thought....

I was told by someone I trust that I would love Strong every day but Saturday.Damned if he wasnt right.

Herman is supposed to be a top recruiter.....time will tell.... I doubt he will ever Strongs equal there, but who would be?However, I expect he will be able to bring victories where Strong would never have done. I hope that closes the recruiting gap. I dont expect much this year from recruiting, but I expect more from winning games.....that isnt Koolaide, that is expectation. If Herman appears as over matched as Strong in that regard, then he can move along as well.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Here is how I see it ( and I am not an expert)....but Strong collected some of the finest ingredients there were out there. He carefully picked them and brought them to the counter. But he had no idea how much of each ingredient should be combined and when to be added. So he in turn was the ingredient collector of the kitchen and now we need a master chef to come in to combine and bake them. I don't believe he "baked the cake", I think he collected some great ingredients and prepared them for the baker to finish............but I am tired of him saying that as well and I was a Strong supporter. He couldn't do it so now it's time to bake the cake and shove it down some throats to bring in those W's we want so badly............

I have to agree with this. I don't think he baked the cake, Tom needs to bake the damn thing and rub it down with icing!

 

[john_behr]

I guess I am seeing it the same as you are. He is acting as if though he did everything great and didn't get the opportunity to finish it. The mistakes he made in games would not be accepted at the high school level as far as time management etc... I am disappointed in Strong since his firing. Instead of saying...I made some bad hires, I should have done this..or should have done that...and then saying he learned from it....He thinks it was JUST about wins and losses. His teams played undisciplined football week in and week out.

Now he gets to claim success if Herman has it (He will I believe) or if Herman fails it is not because of what Strong left him. Strong needs to accept HIS part in the failures he had while at Texas.

I think the way I would see it is Strong was a master at getting all of the ingredients for a cake together, but he lacked the recipe to actually bake it. I would say he did an excellent job assembling the ingredients, and now we need someone that can actually bake the cake.

I was a huge Strong supporter and hope he does great things in Florida, but he had the talent here to do better and for a myriad of reasons - many self inflicted - he did not. The cake is not baked and any success this coming season will be a credit to the new staff for figuring out the right use of the ingredients Strong left.

 

[bubba2023]

What is the difference between Mack's "dead weight" highly rated recruits that didn't produce on the field, and Strong's "fine ingredients" highly rated recruits that haven't produced on the field?

 

[LongfellowDrew]

What is the difference between Mack's "dead weight" highly rated recruits that didn't produce on the field, and Strong's "fine ingredients" highly rated recruits that haven't produced on the field?

Mack's "dead weight" never made it onto the field and Strong's "fine ingredients" did?

 

[oldhorn2]

not only Macks dead weight didnt make it to the field, but many were ushered out and have been little heard from since. Time will tell if Strong's "dead weight" was over rated or under coached.

Mack went 2 years with recruiting only ONE D lineman. At least we have stockpiled some up there.

 

[swVAHorn]

not only Macks dead weight didnt make it to the field, but many were ushered out and have been little heard from since. Time will tell if Strong's "dead weight" was over rated or under coached.

Mack went 2 years with recruiting only ONE D lineman. At least we have stockpiled some up there.

I am always amazed at how Mack was such a talent finder and then just stopped doing it. He had it all. He could have maybe surpassed DKR if he had kept after it like the first several years he was here....and could win some conf champs! He was his own worst enemy.

 

[ekal48]

I'm still waiting for these "great" classes that Charlie brought in to produce.

I guess I'm like most Horn fans in that I think they are good but just weren't coached up. But, that's what a lot of people were thinking about Mack's last few seasons.

It's time to get back to bitching about winning games and not covering the spread.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

swVA....I believe he did a great deal in "cleaning up the program" I think he did a good job in clearing out deadwood. I cite as proof the great "attrition" that occurred right after he came. The guys that left or were ushered out were poison in my opinion and needed to go. I dont think a single one of them did anything significant after leaving here. They were not super stars and they were all vastly over rated. I thank Strong for that. The bigger mystery to me is ....what happened to Mack? Not in the history of CFB has a team gone for playing in a National Championship game one year to a losing season the next. Mack just quit.

Charlie could recruit and he could set standards, but I now come to realize that he couldnt coach a lick.He was,as that sorry bastard McCombs said, a good position coach or even a coordinator, but not a head coach.He and Chizik,& Muschamp just cant be the boss. I dont agree that he baked the cake. I think he supplied the recipe, but he didnt know how to put it all together. I like Charlie, but I dont think he will ever be successful as a head coach.

I also disagree that he and Herman were much the same before coming here. There were red flags all over Strong. I didnt see them, but you did. Herman simply doesnt have those red flags. He has shown ability as a game day coach. Strong was known as not so good there.(hell Mack was no good there either)Herman is widely regarded as being very detail orientated. Strong was known not to be.....never gave a kicker a second thought....

I was told by someone I trust that I would love Strong every day but Saturday.Damned if he wasnt right.

Herman is supposed to be a top recruiter.....time will tell.... I doubt he will ever Strongs equal there, but who would be?However, I expect he will be able to bring victories where Strong would never have done. I hope that closes the recruiting gap. I dont expect much this year from recruiting, but I expect more from winning games.....that isnt Koolaide, that is expectation. If Herman appears as over matched as Strong in that regard, then he can move along as well.

Strong was a "Deadman Walking when he hit the campus and didn't know it, there is still talk around that its macks fault for losing the NC for not having a 2nd QB and the suspense that Colt could have played but , did not want to ruin his draft chance to the NFL and just didn't or take ya picks...!I think Herman and Strong are the same just coming here like you said OLD, if he loses a lot next yr , they gonna be all over his ass too, in other words "Herman be careful for what ya wish for"!



Hook'em

 

[Pumpedup55]

I guess I am seeing it the same as you are. He is acting as if though he did everything great and didn't get the opportunity to finish it. The mistakes he made in games would not be accepted at the high school level as far as time management etc... I am disappointed in Strong since his firing. Instead of saying...I made some bad hires, I should have done this..or should have done that...and then saying he learned from it....He thinks it was JUST about wins and losses. His teams played undisciplined football week in and week out.

Now he gets to claim success if Herman has it (He will I believe) or if Herman fails it is not because of what Strong left him. Strong needs to accept HIS part in the failures he had while at Texas.

Strong can claim success in his own little world if Herman does great. No one will give it to him. Strong got to coach the kids he recruited and he couldn't even beat Kansas in his 3rd year. Everyone always looks at the current coach and gives the credit to them for winning.

I can't stand strong. I hope he sucks at south Florida. swVA, haven't you said over and over how you like strong andthat he's a great guy etc.. Not feeling that now?

 

[CaptainZigZag]

I have to agree with this. I don't think he baked the cake, Tom needs to bake the damn thing and rub it down with icing!

Eeeeeeeewwwwwww

 

[LonghornMM]

Strong was a "Deadman Walking when he hit the campus and didn't know it, there is still talk around that its macks fault for losing the NC for not having a 2nd QB and the suspense that Colt could have played but , did not want to ruin his draft chance to the NFL and just didn't or take ya picks...!I think Herman and Strong are the same just coming here like you said OLD, if he loses a lot next yr , they gonna be all over his ass too, in other words "Herman be careful for what ya wish for"!



Hook'em

FB, Strong was not set up to fail at Texas. To suggest so is just inaccurate and wrong. He simply didn't get the job done and was fired as a result. If he would have won more games he would still be the coach at UT. Simple as that.

 

[swVAHorn]

Strong can claim success in his own little world if Herman does great. No one will give it to him. Strong got to coach the kids he recruited and he couldn't even beat Kansas in his 3rd year. Everyone always looks at the current coach and gives the credit to them for winning.

I can't stand strong. I hope he sucks at south Florida. swVA, haven't you said over and over how you like strong andthat he's a great guy etc.. Not feeling that now?

I do like Strong. I just don't like him as coach at Texas. And I am not liking a few things he has said since knowing he was getting fired.

 

[bubba2023]

Mack's "dead weight" never made it onto the field and Strong's "fine ingredients" did?

made it to the field and lost 14 games?

 

[TX1972]

swVA....I believe he did a great deal in "cleaning up the program" I think he did a good job in clearing out deadwood. I cite as proof the great "attrition" that occurred right after he came. The guys that left or were ushered out were poison in my opinion and needed to go. I dont think a single one of them did anything significant after leaving here. They were not super stars and they were all vastly over rated. I thank Strong for that. The bigger mystery to me is ....what happened to Mack? Not in the history of CFB has a team gone for playing in a National Championship game one year to a losing season the next. Mack just quit.

Charlie could recruit and he could set standards, but I now come to realize that he couldnt coach a lick.He was,as that sorry bastard McCombs said, a good position coach or even a coordinator, but not a head coach.He and Chizik,& Muschamp just cant be the boss. I dont agree that he baked the cake. I think he supplied the recipe, but he didnt know how to put it all together. I like Charlie, but I dont think he will ever be successful as a head coach.

I also disagree that he and Herman were much the same before coming here. There were red flags all over Strong. I didnt see them, but you did. Herman simply doesnt have those red flags. He has shown ability as a game day coach. Strong was known as not so good there.(hell Mack was no good there either)Herman is widely regarded as being very detail orientated. Strong was known not to be.....never gave a kicker a second thought....

I was told by someone I trust that I would love Strong every day but Saturday.Damned if he wasnt right.

Herman is supposed to be a top recruiter.....time will tell.... I doubt he will ever Strongs equal there, but who would be?However, I expect he will be able to bring victories where Strong would never have done. I hope that closes the recruiting gap. I dont expect much this year from recruiting, but I expect more from winning games.....that isnt Koolaide, that is expectation. If Herman appears as over matched as Strong in that regard, then he can move along as well.

Mack was a great game coach. He won almost all close games. I think Texas led the country several times in fake punts, blocked kicks, etc.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

made it to the field and lost 14 games?

Was it the players or coaching? I guess we'll have to wait and see what Herman can do with Strong's recruits as well as watch Strong with Taggart's recruits.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I think it's normal for a coach to take pride or credit if you want to call it that for a roster they had a big hand in putting together. To me I think Strong is saying hey there is some talent there ready to win.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Tell me why the hell we hired him then if none of you liked him and he wasn't a good coach? Ya'll can't have it both ways...



Hook'em

 

[LonghornMM]

FB, none of us "hired him". The Texas brass did. Strong wasn't brought in here and intentionally set up to fail. Where did you come up with this idea? He failed miserably at his job and got fired, and justifiably so.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

FB, none of us "hired him". The Texas brass did. Strong wasn't brought in here and intentionally set up to fail. Where did you come up with this idea? He failed miserably at his job and got fired, and justifiably so.

Well, everyone knew who he was and his record and he did good at Louisville, I think they brought him here cause they could not get another coach that was higher up the coach's chain, in other words something till we get something better, they knew all the coaches he brought with him wasn't that good when they hired them and then having to fix macks crap, it was probably a job just to do that and the BOR knew he had no QB that was any good or players , maybe a few where good, all that player troubles that Mack let go on, not going to class etc.., now how can you win with all this shit running against and then you throw in the coaches that wasn't worth a shit...Viola! A instant loser, but we will keep him till we find what we want.BOR knew that he wasn't the one when they hired him, but ya gotta have coach after macks crap, I think its sad players let him down, BOR, Coaches, so he could not play all the positions by himself so he just let it go, all freshman, not much help there till more playtime, so ya see it was stacked even if he was a bad coach , he woulda done the job, cause it didn't last



Hook'em

 

[LonghornMM]

Well, everyone knew who he was and his record and he did good at Louisville, I think they brought him here cause they could not get another coach that was higher up the coach's chain, in other words something till we get something better, they knew all the coaches he brought with him wasn't that good when they hired them and then having to fix macks crap, it was probably a job just to do that and the BOR knew he had no QB that was any good or players , maybe a few where good, all that player troubles that Mack let go on, not going to class etc.., now how can you win with all this shit running against and then you throw in the coaches that wasn't worth a shit...Viola! A instant loser, but we will keep him till we find what we want.BOR knew that he wasn't the one when they hired him, but ya gotta have coach after macks crap, I think its sad players let him down, BOR, Coaches, so he could not play all the positions by himself so he just let it go, all freshman, not much help there till more playtime, so ya see it was stacked even if he was a bad coach , he woulda done the job, cause it didn't last



Hook'em

Got it. Texas paid Strong $25 million when "they knew he wasn't the right guy all along". They brought him in here and purposely set him up to fail. Good grief.

And BTW, Mack Brown is 50 times the coach that Strong is or ever will be.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Got it. Texas paid Strong $25 million when "they knew he wasn't the right guy all along". They brought him in here and purposely set him up to fail. Good grief.

And BTW, Mack Brown is 50 times the coach that Strong is or ever will be.

Yup, we can tell that Mack was , he did a helluva number on our FB program before they cut him loose,something we haven't recovered from in 4 yrs so far, Herman don't do it it will be longer, hope Herman does but, like Oldhorn said look at the similarities on the two, they didn't start to set him up till after the second year and they knew then he wasn't the one, only way out for them to get another coach was to pay Strong out the ass to leave, so they could get a winner, or somewhere in the neighborhood of this...who knows anymore, only way strong coulda stayed if he had won...


I give up on this subject, but you can bet ya ass that something like this was in the air, maybe not what i say but something else...25 mil a drop in bucket for BOR!

Hook'em

 

[oldhorn2]

Mack was a great game coach. He won almost all close games. I think Texas led the country several times in fake punts, blocked kicks, etc.

we will just have to disagree on that.Mack was better than Strong as a game day coach, but who isnt?

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

You just don't go from a NC team to nothing like Mack did, somethings wrong if you do.

Saban didn't! and hasn't





Hook'em

 

[LonghornMM]

You should give up on the subject FB. Mack won a ton of games at Texas, made Texas relevant again, and brought us a national championship. Yes, things went down hill at the end of his tenure, but he was a helluva coach/GM for the UT program. If as you say, Strong was "set up", which BTW is ridiculous, why didn't they fire him after the first or second year?

 

[Pumpedup55]

I'm sure these people whining about Mack were celebrating his NC and enjoying at the end of 2009 his 128-26 run spanning 11 years.

 

[diadevic]

10 wins a year for a decade vs. 3 losing seasons in a row for the first time in history.

 

[LonghornMM]

If someone told me that Charlie Strong or Tom Herman would have the same record at Texas that Mack did, recruited as well as he did, had the same bowl record as he did, and won a national championship, I would be thrilled to death! Some of you guys bashing Mack Brown the way you do are embarrassing yourselves.