The state of college football

[Belldozer1]

I was watching college game day this morning and numb nuts Pollak starts bumping his gums about how the players now need a players union, coaching reforms etc. CFB is gone as we knew it. Sucks. The one thing I did agree about though was having some rules about hiring and firing of coaches etc. The last couple of weeks have been a cluster especially with the early signing period et al.

Anyway the general consensus on game day was that college ball is now a professional sport. Loyalty is gone etc.

 

[Hoookem722]

I actually kind of like the new transfer rules. It gives the kids a shot to transfer and play. The end goal is the NFL and you’re not going to develop sitting on the bench. Just like life if you’re not happy with a job go find one you are happy with.

 

[hillcountryhorn63697005]

I wonder if the time will come when playing college ball for 4 yrs will pay more than the first 4 yrs of pro ball?

 

[RoboCocks21]

Penn State football hires ex-Miami Hurricanes coach Manny Diaz as defensive coordinator

Welp

 

[Metcalf #2]

I actually kind of like the new transfer rules. It gives the kids a shot to transfer and play. The end goal is the NFL and you’re not going to develop sitting on the bench. Just like life if you’re not happy with a job go find one you are happy with.

If you’re sitting on the bench, you probably need to rethink that NFL goal.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Penn State football hires ex-Miami Hurricanes coach Manny Diaz as defensive coordinator

Welp

Who the hell is that? Is he related to Manny _iaz?

 

[Hoookem722]

If you’re sitting on the bench, you probably need to rethink that NFL goal.

Ya I know Kylar Murray and Baker Mayfield should have just set on the bench and rotted right. I could give numerous examples of guys who transferred to different schools and went on to play in the NFL. Some guys just don’t make the right decision on where they want to go to school. That’s understandable we all made wrong choices when we were younger. The coaches can up and leave whenever they want. I’m all for the kids getting other opportunities to get on the field.

Guys like Troy Aikman, JJ Watt, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, and Joe Burrow were all transfers. But I guess they should have just re thought the NFL right lol. Kenneth Walker is a good example from this year as well. He transferred and is probably going to be drafted late 1st or early 2nd round now because of it.

 

[oldhorn2]

Lots of uber talent has been 2nd string at college.Texas QB Rick McIver almost never saw the field in his days at Texas, but he had a pretty long career in the Pros. Duwane Thomas was second string at West Texas State, but had a damned good career with the Cowboys. I do get your point however.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Ya I know Kylar Murray and Baker Mayfield should have just set on the bench and rotted right. I could give numerous examples of guys who transferred to different schools and went on to play in the NFL. Some guys just don’t make the right decision on where they want to go to school. That’s understandable we all made wrong choices when we were younger. The coaches can up and leave whenever they want. I’m all for the kids getting other opportunities to get on the field.

Guys like Troy Aikman, JJ Watt, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, and Joe Burrow were all transfers. But I guess they should have just re thought the NFL right lol. Kenneth Walker is a good example from this year as well. He transferred and is probably going to be drafted late 1st or early 2nd round now because of it.

It’s the exception, not the rule. Most of the time, if you’re not good enough to start on your college team, you’re not NFL material.

There are situations where you’re just behind another great future NFL player, or you’re just in the wrong system, like Aikman, who I believe was starting anyway, so throw that one out, and I’m sure there are more examples you used that were starting before transferring, so those are null and void as well.

I said “probably”, not definitely.

 

[Drtxhorn]

Lots of uber talent has been 2nd string at college.Texas QB Rick McIver almost never saw the field in his days at Texas, but he had a pretty long career in the Pros. Duwane Thomas was second string at West Texas State, but had a damned good career with the Cowboys. I do get your point however.

I think Rick McIver had the strongest arm I ever saw. He could easily throw it 70 yards from a standstill position. In a game too. With accuracy. Reports circulated that he could throw a ball the full length of the field with a running start. His arm strength alone is what got him drafted. Played 4-5 seasons with the Cardinals and one other team. Career backup but he made it to the NFL.

 

[Hoookem722]

Lots of uber talent has been 2nd string at college.Texas QB Rick McIver almost never saw the field in his days at Texas, but he had a pretty long career in the Pros. Duwane Thomas was second string at West Texas State, but had a damned good career with the Cowboys. I do get your point however.

Oftentimes there are 2nd string guys that are better than the starter but just never get an opportunity because the guy in front of them has established themselves in the system. Coaches can be hardheaded sometimes and play favorites with guys. Happens all the time.

Now if kids were transferring to 3 or 4 different schools in 4 years that’s a different story. I have no problem with a kid transferring as a one time deal.

 

[2300 Nueces]

Lots of uber talent has been 2nd string at college.Texas QB Rick McIver almost never saw the field in his days at Texas, but he had a pretty long career in the Pros. Duwane Thomas was second string at West Texas State, but had a damned good career with the Cowboys. I do get your point however.

Priest Holmes

 

[Okie70]

It’s the exception, not the rule. Most of the time, if you’re not good enough to start on your college team, you’re not NFL material.

There are situations where you’re just behind another great future NFL player, or you’re just in the wrong system, like Aikman, who I believe was starting anyway, so throw that one out, and I’m sure there are more examples you used that were starting before transferring, so those are null and void as well.

I said “probably”, not definitely.

Aikman was injured in '85 and Holieway took over and OU won the NC. So Aikman knew he was not going to start again. Made a good decision going to UCLA and had a good pro career. So I have no problem with transfers.

 

[RoboCocks21]

Aikman was injured in '85 and Holieway took over and OU won the NC. So Aikman knew he was not going to start again. Made a good decision going to UCLA and had a good pro career. So I have no problem with transfers.

Yeah 3x superbowl winner, 6x pro bowl, 1x superbowl mvp i guess it was a good career...

 

[Belldozer1]

Priest Holmes

Barry sanders

 

[2300 Nueces]

Barry sanders

Barry Sanders was 2nd string?

 

[westx]

Barry Sanders was 2nd string?

Thermanator

 

[Drtxhorn]

Barry Sanders was 2nd string?

He backed up Thurman Thomas

 

[LVPack]

Aikman was injured in '85 and Holieway took over and OU won the NC. So Aikman knew he was not going to start again. Made a good decision going to UCLA and had a good pro career. So I have no problem with transfers.

A lot of irony in that storyline. OU quarterback Aikman broke his ankle against Jimmy Johnson’s Miami Hurricanes. A kid named Jamelle Hollieway took over and led OU to the national championship that year. Aikman was not nearly as good at running the wishbone as Hollieway, so he transferred to UCLA, where he was able to showcase his NFL level talent, and was subsequently drafted by Jimmy Johnson and the Dallas Cowboys. If Aikman hadn’t broken his ankle against Miami that day, how different might his career have turned out?

 

[22LR]

A lot of irony in that storyline. OU quarterback Aikman broke his ankle against Jimmy Johnson’s Miami Hurricanes. A kid named Jamelle Hollieway took over and led OU to the national championship that year. Aikman was not nearly as good at running the wishbone as Hollieway, so he transferred to UCLA, where he was able to showcase his NFL level talent, and was subsequently drafted by Jimmy Johnson and the Dallas Cowboys. If Aikman hadn’t broken his ankle against Miami that day, how different might his career have turned out?

I can still hear John Brooks calling him "Air Aikman" in his play-by-play like it was yesterday.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

It’s the exception, not the rule. Most of the time, if you’re not good enough to start on your college team, you’re not NFL material.

There are situations where you’re just behind another great future NFL player, or you’re just in the wrong system, like Aikman, who I believe was starting anyway, so throw that one out, and I’m sure there are more examples you used that were starting before transferring, so those are null and void as well.

I said “probably”, not definitely.

They’re good enough but sometimes the person in front of you is just slightly better or established. When that same kid transfers and gets to develop then he’s just as good or even better. The transfer portal is giving kids the option to play now for teams that need their talent right away. Back then you were stuck due to rules or a waiting period to play for another school. I’m not sure “loyalty” ever existed they just had no choice.

The reality is no one is loyal unless you’re winning and is that really loyalty? Fans are loyal for the most part but coaches and athletes are there because they were hired and recruited. I’m sure the athletes are loyal once they’ve finished their career there but if not and move on they’re “loyal” to whom ever picked them up and let them start or finish out there career. Example would be Shane, Kyler, Baker, Etc..

 

[aix_xpert]

They’re good enough but sometimes the person in front of you is just slightly better or established. When that same kid transfers and gets to develop then he’s just as good or even better. The transfer portal is giving kids the option to play now for teams that need their talent right away. Back then you were stuck due to rules or a waiting period to play for another school. I’m not sure “loyalty” ever existed they just had no choice.

The reality is no one is loyal unless you’re winning and is that really loyalty? Fans are loyal for the most part but coaches and athletes are there because they were hired and recruited. I’m sure the athletes are loyal once they’ve finished their career there but if not and move on they’re “loyal” to whom ever picked them up and let them start or finish out there career. Example would be Shane, Kyler, Baker, Etc..

I'd argue most are loyal, but since we expect loyalty and take it for granted, we only talk about the dozen or so players on the team who flirt with the portal. Its like marriage. You don't read many stories about the husbands and wives who've been together for years drama-free, but everyday you can find stories about who cheated on whom, divorces, etc. Enough that one might assume that loyalty and commitment are just antiquities of a bygone era.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

I'd argue most are loyal, but since we expect loyalty and take it for granted, we only talk about the dozen or so players on the team who flirt with the portal. Its like marriage. You don't read many stories about the husbands and wives who've been together for years drama-free, but everyday you can find stories about who cheated on whom, divorces, etc. Enough that one might assume that loyalty and commitment are just antiquities of a bygone era.

Maybe but when there was only two options back in the day you really had to stick it out. My guess is some of the QBs behind VY probably would have left. We’ll never know though.

 

[aix_xpert]

Maybe but when there was only two options back in the day you really had to stick it out. My guess is some of the QBs behind VY probably would have left. We’ll never know though.

Agree. I was more focused on the current team. We talk about who's entered the portal and whom UT might get from elsewhere via the portal, yet seem to wash over the 90 or so players at all levels of the depth chart that are honoring their commitment (whether via loyalty or not) and sticking around for the future.