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FlourBluffHorn

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Running the same plays and a Freshman QB and missing blocks and Flase Starts and no running back with speed, maybe we should make the D coach Head Coach? I told you that it would take 5yrs to get back if not more Head Coach changes.


Hook'em
 
I agree that it will take time and top 5 recruiting classes to get Texas back into the top 10. Herman is an upgrade over Strong and it will take him more time than many thought/expected. The key thing is recruiting and depth. Ideally, where we want to get is to redshirt a fair amount of freshmen and get them acclimated to school, the system and in the strength program, which will pay dividends down the road. Having to depend on so many true freshmen or redshirt freshmen now is not a good thing.

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I am shocked that Charlie Strong has UCF at 6-0 and ranked in the top 20, being a bad coach and all
 
One of the tests for Herman and it may come very soon is how he replaces Orlando. He’s a big reason why Herman was successful at Houston and a big reason we have been in games this year. He’s likely to be an HC pretty quickly maybe as soon as next year. Getting that hire right will go a long way in to detrmning Herman’s long term success at UT.
 
I don't see it taking 5 years to get to 10 win seasons. I do see it taking more than 1 year though I never expected us to be an automatic contender I do expect us to have a winning record though and a bowl game.
 
I am shocked that Charlie Strong has UCF at 6-0 and ranked in the top 20, being a bad coach and all

Is your argument that he was a good coach here?

It's entirely possible to be a good coach at place x and a bad coach at place y. There are countless examples. One thing is for certain Strong learned to not hitch his wagon to Watson at USF. If he'd had started out his tenure here with that knowledge he is likely still our head coach.
 
I don't see it taking 5 years to get to 10 win seasons. I do see it taking more than 1 year though I never expected us to be an automatic contender I do expect us to have a winning record though and a bowl game.
Yeah it shouldn’t take 5 years to get to 10 wins. They have a pretty decent shot at 7. If you write off the Maryland game as a first game blunder and say they’d win it now you basically have an 8 win roster. You’d need 4 more years to turn 2 of those close losses in to wins? Probably not.
 
3 years minimum. They can't even coach a O line 7 games in the basics. Plus TB still can't figure our to tell either QB's to get the ball out of their hands quick or roll away from the weak O line play plus the best and tallest receiver is on the sideline during crucial plays. So far this season is a big fat F. Loose to Baylor and we will know true misery and fallen further than I can ever remember this program falling in the last 40 years.
 
I don't see it taking 5 years to get to 10 win seasons. I do see it taking more than 1 year though I never expected us to be an automatic contender I do expect us to have a winning record though and a bowl game.
First year tells you more about the guy who just left. Herman will be good by year 3, or he won't be good. I would say better chances than not that he is good. Nobody knows for sure, including Herman.
 
I agree that it will take time and top 5 recruiting classes to get Texas back into the top 10. Herman is an upgrade over Strong and it will take him more time than many thought/expected. The key thing is recruiting and depth. Ideally, where we want to get is to redshirt a fair amount of freshmen and get them acclimated to school, the system and in the strength program, which will pay dividends down the road. Having to depend on so many true freshmen or redshirt freshmen now is not a good thing.

Hook'em!
Herman is the right coach. I am being serious when I say next year we will be top 10. This years expections for a 10 win season is too ambitious except for irrational orangebloods. I won't piss on our team if we don't make it next year but, just my opinion.
 
One of the tests for Herman and it may come very soon is how he replaces Orlando. He’s a big reason why Herman was successful at Houston and a big reason we have been in games this year. He’s likely to be an HC pretty quickly maybe as soon as next year. Getting that hire right will go a long way in to detrmning Herman’s long term success at UT.
Sorry Ryan, but I truly believe that it is Herman's standards that makes Orlando better. Not the other way around. Orlando is good and wish him well where ever he goes, but, the standard is set by Herman and he is the golden goose.
 
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Sorry Ryan, but I truly believe that it is Herman's standards that makes Orlando better. Not the other way around. Orlando is good and whish him well where ever he goes, but, the standard is set by Herman and he is the golden goose.
We will see... the great coaches have a knack for finding great assistants or even making assistants great. Hopefully Herman is one of those guys.

I know some of you see Herman has this great coach. I’m just not there yet.
 
We will see... the great coaches have a knack for finding great assistants or even making assistants great. Hopefully Herman is one of those guys.

I know some of you see Herman has this great coach. I’m just not there yet.
Fair enough. It took me 2 1/2 season to know CS wasn't going to work. In fact, it was the 3 blocked extra points in the okie lite game when I threw in the towel on Strong.
 
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Fair enough. It took me 2 1/2 season to know CS wasn't going to work. In fact, it was the 3 blocked extra points in the okie lite game when I threw in the towel on Strong.
If that’s what caused you to throw in the towel on Strong not sure how you can be sold on Herman. Our kicking game is still a disaster. Yeah we haven’t had extra points blocked but we haven’t been scoring many touchdowns either.
 
We will see... the great coaches have a knack for finding great assistants or even making assistants great. Hopefully Herman is one of those guys.

I know some of you see Herman has this great coach. I’m just not there yet.
Anyone saying herman is a great coach I think is making a premature statement since he’s only been a head coach for 2.5 years. At Houston herman showed a lot of attributes of a great coach. He won right away, he was organized. His team played very good fundamentals and he recruited well. He hired a good staff on a limited budget there. He won big games with less talent.

I think herman is a good coach who is shown a lot of promise In his career thus far.
 
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Anyone saying herman is a great coach I think is making a premature statement since he’s only been a head coach for 2.5 years. At Houston herman showed a lot of attributes of a great coach. He won right away, he was organized. His team played very good fundamentals and he recruited well. He hired a good staff on a limited budget there. He won big games with less talent.

I think herman is a good coach who is shown a lot of promise In his career thus far.
Yeah Herman did win right away, but it is worth noting that he inherited a program that was coming off back to back 8-5 seasons and 3 years removed from a 13-1 season. So it wasn’t exactly a program down in the dumps. Most decent coaches probably could of come in and at least had moderate success. That’s why I’m reserved on Herman. I don’t think we really know whst he is as a coach at all.

I just don’t see how the same people who had legitmemint questions about Stromg the day he was hired can talk up Herman as if he’s the next Mack Brown. He may end of being that but we are far away from that.

Now I know there are a few people who just boil my raisingconcerns as “your just a strong lover.” Yes I think Stromg is a better coach than he showed at Texas, but I’m a Longhorn fan I’ve moved on. Not thinking Herman is God’s gift to football has nothing to do with Charlie Strong. And just to add Charlie Stromg doesn’t have to fail to vindicate Texas. I hope Herman is here for 35 years and wins 8 national titles. I just need to see more before I annoint him.
 
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That 2 hires have been the "HOT" coach of the moment. Herman still lost games at Houston he had no business losing and this year is a pass but next year better be a 8 win year or it gets complicated for him.
 
That 2 hires have been the "HOT" coach of the moment. Herman still lost games at Houston he had no business losing and this year is a pass but next year better be a 8 win year or it gets complicated for him.
Right. That’s why I was against the Herman hire. He beat OU and Louisville great that shows you can get your players up for the big games. But he lose to a UConn in year 1 and then Navy and Memphis year 2. So to me it’s a mixed resume. Sure he won games against more talented teams,but he lost sevreal games where he was the more talented team.

That matters. I mean ask Lincon Riley besting Ohio State is great but might be a loss to Iowa stste that crushes their season. Texas has gone though the meat of their schedule for the most part. A strong finish against teams Baylor. KU, WVU and Tech. 4 teams Texas is probably better than(WVU debateable) I wanna see them go out there and put those teams away. That would show me a lot headed in to next year.
 
Yeah Herman did win right away, but it is worth noting that he inherited a program that was coming off back to back 8-5 seasons and 3 years removed from a 13-1 season. So it wasn’t exactly a program down in the dumps. Most decent coaches probably could of come in and at least had moderate success. That’s why I’m reserved on Herman. I don’t think we really know whst he is as a coach at all.

I just don’t see how the same people who had legitmemint questions about Stromg the day he was hired can talk up Herman as if he’s the next Mack Brown. He may end of being that but we are far away from that.

Now I know there are a few people who just boil my raisingconcerns as “your just a strong lover.” Yes I think Stromg is a better coach than he showed at Texas, but I’m a Longhorn fan I’ve moved on. Not thinking Herman is God’s gift to football has nothing to do with Charlie Strong. And just to add Charlie Stromg doesn’t have to fail to vindicate Texas. I hope Herman is here for 35 years and wins 8 national titles. I just need to see more before I annoint him.
Many may crap on Strong, but he did something right to get where he got. Things aren’t just handed to you at that level. Texas was just too big of a stage for him. To me, there is no question about that now. He may be ready again in a few years for a blue blood program, but I personally would stay away.
 
I know some of you see Herman has this great coach.

Honestly I haven't seen where anyone posted yet that TH is a great coach. Some of us are behind him because he's our coach now and Strong is gone. No matter who the coach is though we cannot go 5-7, 5-7 and 5-7. That's just unacceptable and if TH does it he should be gone too!
 
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It is just harder anymore to create and maintain consistency in ANY program anymore. Saban has set the standard for that and it ain't close. It seems everybody loses games they had no business losing. I would sure give Herman the benefit of the doubt unless he proved otherwise. Texas is a unique and sometimes difficult job. It may take him a while to acclimate. Just my two cents
 
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Hell, I see a team that is a depleted OL away from 6-1. Maryland flat out surprised them. Since then, they've had the ball with a minute or more and a chance to win in losses to three top 10 teams when they played them.

This team is making strides. The play was there for the W on Saturday and it was poorly executed. It wasn't all on SAM, the receivers f'd up in motion and made a poor pick move as well. Sunday QB's are hilarious.
 
Au contraire. I like watching the SS Rumlin putt around. Hope he stays where he is. I just didn't understand the comment.

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Au contraire. I like watching the SS Rumlin putt around. Hope he stays where he is. I just didn't understand the comment.

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I didn't get the comment either.
Sumlin is the champion of winning 8 games. He is just good enough to keep a job, just not good enough to do anything else. Don't blame you for being a "fan" of him, or at least a fan of his continued employment.
 
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