Time to Move on!

[LongfellowDrew]

Okay, well that hypothesis doesn’t seem to hold water either. Mack did not have a top 10 ranked season, and win 10 games, and win a big four level bowl game (Sugar) in his first three years.

Further Mack had a 49 point loss to OU and a 41 point loss to KSU in that time frame.

All that while Herman came into a worse program than Mack.

Macks win/loss is better in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd season. If that’s what we’re talking about. I mean Strongs record was garbage they were losing seasons. My point is if you as a fan are comparing the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Macks from a W/L looks great. I don’t know what LMM is comparing it too I was just assuming from past coaches.

Mack Brown 1-3 season were.
9-3
11-2
11-2

Herman
7-6
10-4
6-4 so far.

if you’re just looking at W/L and comparing that was my point. I’m on TH’s side here and yes there’s other variables involved.

 

[LonghornMM]

Hell, I'd take Mack Brown all over again. He brought Texas football back to respectability and prominance. He won us a NC. Did he get complacent at the end of his time at Texas? Yes, but I'd trade all of that for another NC. All day long!

 

[q1w2e3]

If you think Texas has shown "significant improvement", I want what you're smoking. Last year, yes. This year is a big step backwards, and it's going to get worse after Texas loses to Baylor and recruits continue to decommit and players transfer.

So Herman builds Texas up from a five win program to winning 10 games in just two years but now he’s regressing based on this season?

Overall the offense is actually still improving statistically relative to Herman’s first two seasons. More efficient, more points, more rushing yards, higher yards per carry, more passing yards, and more total yards than last season.

As far as the defense I think it’s only honest to give an incomplete grade. Having to replace eight starters from last season with poor upperclassmen depth and then having seven of those new starters miss games to injuries is an anomaly. One game featured a third string true freshman starter at LB, a 3rd string true freshman safety, a walk-on safety, and Devin Duverneys brother at DB LOL.

 

[q1w2e3]

I'm not saying that I would like to see Herman fired after this season. However, he needs to make some significant changes on the coaching staff and shore up recruiting and eliminate the transfers. I hope TH does get it turned around and returns Texas to elite status, but I've got a lot of doubt if he's the guy to do it. And weevil is right about him being a narcissist.

I agree that there are some changes Herman needs to make on the staff. One, I think he needs to address the imbalance with four defensive coaches and six offensive coaches. Two WR coaches should not be permanent. I would like Herman to find an OC he trusts to call the plays and free himself up.

I'm not sure what Herman needs "to shore up" in recruiting? He has performed well above expectations there in his first two classes, and his current class is ranked in the top 10. Decommits happen, to everyone. Even Mack had to deal with it. The ones from this class are not alarming or unusual.

Eliminate transfers? No coach can do that, especially now with the transfer portal. It's a new world. Further, the few transfers Tom has had make sense and aren't related to Texas' season. And on that note, one thing Tom has certainly improved from both Strong and especially Mack is in players getting in trouble/arrested in the off-season and flunking out.

 

[q1w2e3]

Macks win/loss is better in the 1st, 2nd and 3rd season. If that’s what we’re talking about. I mean Strongs record was garbage they were losing seasons. My point is if you as a fan are comparing the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Macks from a W/L looks great. I don’t know what LMM is comparing it too I was just assuming from past coaches.

Mack Brown 1-3 season were.
9-3
11-2
11-2

Herman
7-6
10-4
6-4 so far.

if you’re just looking at W/L and comparing that was my point. I’m on TH’s side here and yes there’s other variables involved.

Mack did not win 11 games in any of his first three seasons. He went:

9-3
9-5
9-3

He also inherited a better program, with players like Ricky Williams.

 

[q1w2e3]

Hell, I'd take Mack Brown all over again. He brought Texas football back to respectability and prominance. He won us a NC. Did he get complacent at the end of his time at Texas? Yes, but I'd trade all of that for another NC. All day long!

Heck yeah! But are you willing to give Mack eight seasons to get than Natty?

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Mack did not win 11 games in any of his first three seasons. He went:

9-3
9-5
9-3

He also inherited a better program, with players like Ricky Williams.

You’re right my bad still drunk apparently.

 

[LonghornMM]

I agree that there are some changes Herman needs to make on the staff. One, I think he needs to address the imbalance with four defensive coaches and six offensive coaches. Two WR coaches should not be permanent. I would like Herman to find an OC he trusts to call the plays and free himself up.

I'm not sure what Herman needs "to shore up" in recruiting? He has performed well above expectations there in his first two classes, and his current class is ranked in the top 10. Decommits happen, to everyone. Even Mack had to deal with it. The ones from this class are not alarming or unusual.

Eliminate transfers? No coach can do that, especially now with the transfer portal. It's a new world. Further, the few transfers Tom has had make sense and aren't related to Texas' season. And on that note, one thing Tom has certainly improved from both Strong and especially Mack is in players getting in trouble/arrested in the off-season and flunking out.

You employed by The University, lol? Sounds like a bunch of excuses you're making for Herman's underachieving. This program is regressing whether you want to acknowledge it or not. The whole idea is to show improvement each season. Not sure how you're not seeing the fact that Texas has taken a major step backwards this season. After Texas loses to Baylor, then what are you going to say? Tech is no gimme game and Texas could very well lose their bowl game too. Recruiting has definitely lost it's momentum with the losses affecting that. There are rumors about things that I'm not going to repeat, but if they're true, it won't be good. Things are in turmoil right now and Herman better get it righted if he wants to coach at UT beyond next season. If Texas ends up 7-5 after next season, odds are pretty high that 2020 will be his last on the 40 Acres.

 

[LonghornMM]

You’re right my bad still drunk apparently.

No, the only one still drunk is q1w2e3. He's on some good stuff. He and Big 12 chick must be drinking the same sauce.

 

[q1w2e3]

You employed by The University, lol? Sounds like a bunch of excuses you're making for Herman's underachieving. This program is regressing whether you want to acknowledge it or not. The whole idea is to show improvement each season. Not sure how you're not seeing the fact that Texas has taken a major step backwards this season. After Texas loses to Baylor, then what are you going to say? Tech is no gimme game and Texas could very well lose their bowl game too. Recruiting has definitely lost it's momentum with the losses affecting that. There are rumors about things that I'm not going to repeat, but if they're true, it won't be good. Things are in turmoil right now and Herman better get it righted if he wants to coach at UT beyond next season. If Texas ends up 7-5 after next season, odds are pretty high that 2020 will be his last on the 40 Acres.

Or we could let this season play out, much less next season, before we get anxiety over Texas losing their last four games plus going 7-5 next year.

 

[LonghornMM]

Or we could let this season play out, much less next season, before we get anxiety over Texas losing their last four games plus going 7-5 next year.

Or you could take off the orange colored glasses and accept the fact that the football program is in very dire straits. It's called reality.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Or you could take off the orange colored glasses and accept the fact that the football program is in very dire straits. It's called reality.

That ain't no shit! Very Dire!

 

[OzarkHorn]

1. There IS A TOP NOTCH Coach available right now....which has to be considered during this situation.

2. The losing is bad but to me it is HOW we are losing that matters most....the coaching staff, especially on the offensive side has gone into an offensive coma since the LSU.

When you possess one of the best QBs in CFB and instead of allowing Sam to be the elite talent he is, you put shackles on him which has resulted in him regressing this season. That is CRIMINAL and totally unacceptable and can no longer be tolerated. TH is to blame period.

Texas needs an elite coaching staff that can coach our elite talent.....we CANNOT allow another season like this one for Sam's sake....he deserves better, the team deserves better, and the fans deserve better. CDC you're on the clock.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

My point is that Herman should be given very clear goals to meet next season. CDC should be the one to draft those goals and present them to Herman. If TH fails to meet those metrics after next season, he should be shown the door. Four years is enough time to show significant improvement in the program.

We should not be 7-5 after the Herman’s third season in Austin. That’s only 2 wins better than Strong’s final season.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Herman is not gonna win a natty as a D1 head football coach.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

1. There IS A TOP NOTCH Coach available right now....which has to be considered during this situation.

2. The losing is bad but to me it is HOW we are losing that matters most....the coaching staff, especially on the offensive side has gone into an offensive coma since the LSU.

When you possess one of the best QBs in CFB and instead of allowing Sam to be the elite talent he is, you put shackles on him which has resulted in him regressing this season. That is CRIMINAL and totally unacceptable and can no longer be tolerated. TH is to blame period.

Texas needs an elite coaching staff that can coach our elite talent.....we CANNOT allow another season like this one for Sam's sake....he deserves better, the team deserves better, and the fans deserve better. CDC you're on the clock.

WE ARE BACK!

 

[westx]

Who would even hire if TH is fired? I am pretty sure he will make changes but is waiting till season’s end.


Okay, Tom. Head Coach and CEO time. Make some tough decisions or enjoy your buyout.

Head Coach: Tom Herman

Offensive Coordinator/QB Coach: Tim Beck. (Not a D1 level coach)

Associate head coach/Run game coordinator/running backs coach: Stan Drayton-major fail unless the title run game coordinator is only for pay reasons. We have no run game.

Co-offensive Coordinator/O Line: Herb Hand. I would keep him around another year. Too hard to tell if the lack of clarity in our offensive philosophy has anything to do with the O line play this year.

Pass Game Coordinator/Wide receivers: Drew Mehringer. See ya

Wide Receivers: Corby Meekins: who knows about him

Tight Ends/Special Teams: Derek Warehime: See ya loser

Defensive Coordinator: Todd Orlando. Time to move on from him. We all knew that to do a 3 man defensive front would require elite defensive lineman. Failed to get them and then failed again to adjust once you didn't get them.

Co-Defensive Coordinator/Safeties: Craig Naiver: See ya

Defensive Line: Oscar Giles: Seems okay.

Cornerbacks: Jason Washington: I don't know about him.

It's late, I don't even know what the hell I am saying. Good night all.

I am not trying to cheer anybody up but, lets not forget our analysts that help us win. Are we getting value or are they here socially until their next gig? I guess it is hard to analyze when the Texas pom pom girls are roaming the campus in chaps.

1) Andre Coleman: Co Offensive coordinator under Bill Snyder at KSU and ex-NFL player

2) Larry Fedora: ex UNC Head Coach

3) Dillon Fedora: Larry’s dad? Okay.

4) Paul Williams: ex Houston Cougar defensive backs coach

5) David Beaty: ex KU Head Coach

 

[q1w2e3]

1. There IS A TOP NOTCH Coach available right now....which has to be considered during this situation.

2. The losing is bad but to me it is HOW we are losing that matters most....the coaching staff, especially on the offensive side has gone into an offensive coma since the LSU.

When you possess one of the best QBs in CFB and instead of allowing Sam to be the elite talent he is, you put shackles on him which has resulted in him regressing this season. That is CRIMINAL and totally unacceptable and can no longer be tolerated. TH is to blame period.

Texas needs an elite coaching staff that can coach our elite talent.....we CANNOT allow another season like this one for Sam's sake....he deserves better, the team deserves better, and the fans deserve better. CDC you're on the clock.

Well, Sam is on pace to have his best season yet. Already has more TD’s, has a higher completion %, on pace for much more yards thrown and will probably rush for more yards with both a higher yards per attempt in passing and rushing, and has a higher Passer rating. I’m not sure how he is “regressing”.

Not only that the offense in whole has improved on almost every measurable metric as well.

 

[weevilcatch]

Not only that the offense in whole has improved on almost every measurable metric as well.

Yep, sure looked like it yesterday. Offense was lightning it the **** up.

 

[LonghornMM]

Well, Sam is on pace to have his best season yet. Already has more TD’s, has a higher completion %, on pace for much more yards thrown and will probably rush for more yards with both a higher yards per attempt in passing and rushing, and has a higher Passer rating. I’m not sure how he is “regressing”.

Not only that the offense in whole has improved on almost every measurable metric as well.

Mr. Sunshine Pumper, take a look at the wins and losses column and where Texas stands for the year. It's all about the W's. That little pesky stat seems to escape you.

 

[brushycreekhorn]

Well, Sam is on pace to have his best season yet. Already has more TD’s, has a higher completion %, on pace for much more yards thrown and will probably rush for more yards with both a higher yards per attempt in passing and rushing, and has a higher Passer rating. I’m not sure how he is “regressing”.

Not only that the offense in whole has improved on almost every measurable metric as well.

Stats for ISU game:
Time of poss. TX 27 min ISU 32
1st downs TX 16 ISU 26
Total yds TX 327 ISU 466
Rushing TX 54 ISU 112
Pass TX 273 ISU 354
Penalties TX 6-55 ISU 3-25

not only did we lose on the scoreboard but we lost every stat category.

Sunshine pump that.

 

[LonghornMM]

Stats for ISU game:
Time of poss. TX 27 min ISU 32
1st downs TX 16 ISU 26
Total yds TX 327 ISU 466
Rushing TX 54 ISU 112
Pass TX 273 ISU 354
Penalties TX 6-55 ISU 3-25

not only did we lose on the scoreboard but we lost every stat category.

Sunshine pump that.

All of that, and Texas was also outcoached yet another week.

 

[Iitbhorn3]

All of that, and Texas was also outcoached yet another week.

The talent on the bench in Texas is better than the talent on the field at Iowa State.
There is absolutely no way Texas should lose to a team like Iowa State or even have teams like Kansas or Kansas State play it close.
Heck, we should be beating TCU every year by 10+ points.

Such standards should not be acceptable.
That said, I am not sure what is broken.

 

[DHHorn]

Herman was so proud of himself after they ran the clock down from six minutes against KSU to kick a game winning field goal and then thinks he can do it again. We couldn't run the ball on ISU all game when they were ready for it, but Herman and his ego thinks they can magically do it on the last drive. So he runs the ball two times in a row into a crowded box with an O line that had been getting whipped all game. That was the way he wanted to win and it was going to be that or nothing because he's an arrogant prick. I get wanting to keep the clock running and not wanting to risk a turnover but you have to get the first down in that situation.

Herman has an obsession about controlling the clock when he has a lead and cannot see past his wet dream scenario where he runs the clock out on teams in a close game. He strokes his ego by telling himself that he outsmarted the other coach when he wins close games because of his masterful game clock management. He coaches and dictates the games to fulfill his narcissistic needs that he craves.

 

[Bwilk55]

Mr. Sunshine Pumper, take a look at the wins and losses column and where Texas stands for the year. It's all about the W's. That little pesky stat seems to escape you.

You really need to back off q1w2e3 a bit here. He has a legitimate perspective on this that not everyone agrees with but he isn't out in left field. I for one and the others liking his post agree with where is he coming from. Many disagree with your perspective as much as you do with his.

Recognize that some people are optimistic and some are pessimistic. You and FBH and others are being very pessimistic. Heck, your post are already assuming we finish 0-3 to end the year. You are complaining about recruiting?? Herman has recruiting better than even Mack with back to back 3rd ranked classes and is closing out a class that ranks 6th currently and will finish between 6-8. Oh, and he is already in a great spot for 2021.

No one is happy with this season and Herman and Co have been far from perfect but jumping ship and starting over probably isn't the answer at this point.

 

[LonghornMM]

You really need to back off q1w2e3 a bit here. He has a legitimate perspective on this that not everyone agrees with but he isn't out in left field. I for one and the others liking his post agree with where is he coming from. Many disagree with your perspective as much as you do with his.

Recognize that some people are optimistic and some are pessimistic. You and FBH and others are being very pessimistic. Heck, your post are already assuming we finish 0-3 to end the year. You are complaining about recruiting?? Herman has recruiting better than even Mack with back to back 3rd ranked classes and is closing out a class that ranks 6th currently and will finish between 6-8. Oh, and he is already in a great spot for 2021.

No one is happy with this season and Herman and Co have been far from perfect but jumping ship and starting over probably isn't the answer at this point.

Really? You two seem like unrealistic sunshine pumpers, who don't have a realistic feel for how bad things have gotten. More Texas fans agree with my perspective than yours. We're fed up! Look, no one is a bigger Texas fan than me and no one lives and dies with Texas sports like me, so don't try to judge me and put words in my mouth. That said, when Baylor embarrasses Texas on Saturday, and I hope I'm wrong, you might want to tap the brakes on your comments. I could say more about recruiting and the locker room, but I'll temper my comments. Ugh!

 

[Bwilk55]

Really? You two seem like unrealistic sunshine pumpers, who don't have a realistic feel for how bad things have gotten. More Texas fans agree with my perspective than yours. We're fed up! Look, no one is a bigger Texas fan than me and no one lives and dies with Texas sports like me, so don't try to judge me and put words in my mouth. That said, when Baylor embarrasses Texas on Saturday, and I hope I'm wrong, you might want to tap the brakes on your comments. I could say more about recruiting and the locker room, but I'll temper my comments. Ugh!

Not sure where I judged you, or put words in your mouth. You seem set on calling those who disagree with you names and totally discount any opinion shared that doesn't jive with yours.

q1 is sharing his opinion and backing it up with facts when needed, and being quite civil about it. Nothing wrong with that. I'd hope the board moderator could do the same. You and a few others seem set on being negative and often without any objective evidence to support your claim. Some rumors here or there, or taking recent events (transfers/decommits) out of context.

Again, no one is happy with this season but some are stepping back and seeing a bigger picture that they believe to be more positive overall. Others don't see it that way and thats okay, just a difference of opinion at this point.

 

[oldhorn2]

what?.....Me worry?

 

[LonghornMM]

Not sure where I judged you, or put words in your mouth. You seem set on calling those who disagree with you names and totally discount any opinion shared that doesn't jive with yours.

q1 is sharing his opinion and backing it up with facts when needed, and being quite civil about it. Nothing wrong with that. I'd hope the board moderator could do the same. You and a few others seem set on being negative and often without any objective evidence to support your claim. Some rumors here or there, or taking recent events (transfers/decommits) out of context.

Again, no one is happy with this season but some are stepping back and seeing a bigger picture that they believe to be more positive overall. Others don't see it that way and thats okay, just a difference of opinion at this point.

We can agree to disagree. I'm just calling it like I see it. I truly hope that Herman gets the ship turned in the right direction. Check back in here after the Baylor game and as recruiting season and the roster moves forward. I think that I'm very fair, tolerant of differing opinions. You ever visit other teams boards and see how other mods and posters interact? If not, perhaps you should. I'm a pretty easy going guy. To call me out like you two have is unfounded, but you that's your prerogative. I could say more about what I'm hearing, but I do temper my thoughts and comments with respect and regard for the program.

 

[Bwilk55]

We can agree to disagree. I'm just calling it like I see it. I truly hope that Herman gets the ship turned in the right direction. Check back in here after the Baylor game and as recruiting season and the roster moves forward and you might have a different perspective. I think that I'm very fair, tolerant of differing opinions. You ever visit other teams boards and see how other mods and posters interact? If not, perhaps you should. I'm a pretty easy going guy. To call me out like you two have is unfounded. I could say more about what I'm hearing, but I do temper my thoughts and comments with respect and regard for the program.

Ill take that.

I have seen but avoid other boards due to that style. I like this one bc it is often laid back. I figured things would be more contentious after the last few games.

Your perspective is being impacted by future losses, on and off the field. I for one will let things play out first. We may agree more if your predictions do come true. You also seem to hav inside info affecting your outlook which I of course am not privy to. Lets all hope for a 3-0 finish and some issues to go away.