Guess an undefeated D2 team that beats team A, which beat team B, which beat the real national champion, will start claiming the MNC.
UCF to claim national championship after 13-0 season
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While Bosie is the most successful mid major I think your under stating some of the others.
UCF has been a D1 program since 1996. They’ve only been a member of a conference since 2002 they have 6 double digit win seasons in that time, and been to 9 bowl games
South Flordia is another program that hasn’t been around long and has done very well
Houston has had a good decade with Briles, Sumlin and Herman. Point being you are right Bosie is the top mid major because they’ve been on the scene a lot longer and have proven themselves on the national stage. There are some other solid programs on the rise though... teams that power 5 schools want no part of I’m sure.
And again because we have a flawed system there is no way to know what would have happened. UCF beat all the teams on their schedule and won their bowl game against a highly ranked opponents who again beat both of the teams that are playing in the so-called title game. You can speculate all you want that there's no way they could do it 2 times in a row but the fact of the matter is we just don't know because we have a system that is still flawed. Alabama didn't even play in their conference title game and they were selected into the playoff.
The flawed system gets it right more often than wrong. The same is true this year.
There is no system that will satisfy everyone. Therefore, all systems are doomed to be declared flawed by someone.
There is no system that will satisfy everyone. Therefore, all systems are doomed to be declared flawed by someone.
Those who clamor for a bigger playoff don't understand the limitations of CFB -- especially division 1 / FBS football. To make a 5+ team playoff work, you'd have to shorten the season for all the FBS schools. Not gonna happen. And you've have the chance of some team in some lesser conference playing a relatively easy schedule and getting into the playoff. Did you see all the empty seats at A&M's loss to Wake Forest? Now imagine that on TV. Who is going to want to broadcast that in the middle of December, when some people are still working and students are off school?
It's a stretch already, with a 4 team playoff.
It's a stretch already, with a 4 team playoff.
Not true. Why? There is almost a month off after the last game is played and the bowl games start. All that needs to be done is to start the playoff games a couple of weeks after the last game is played and have the championship game played at the same time it is currently played. An eight-team playoff would be better and more fair than what is currently in place and could easily be done within the time parameters of the current bowl layout.
An 8 team playoff would make more people happy, while some would still say it’s not fair.
Fair is not a metric & cannot be measured.
Fair is not a metric & cannot be measured.
.....so.....do you want the best teams in this playoff?....or the Conference Champions?.......or the teams with the best records?...The teams with the best records might not be the best teams.
The 2009 title game between OU and USC did not match the best teams.....that would have been Texas and USC.
The Texas team in 1968 might have been the best team....they beat hell out of Tenn. but they were 8-1-1 going in to the bowls.
OSU won year before last and were the best team, but didnt have the best record.
Bama may win this year and would be the best team(sorry UCF).....
So damned many ways to look at it.....so again I ask....do you want the best teams?...the conference champs?...the best records?....what?
The 2009 title game between OU and USC did not match the best teams.....that would have been Texas and USC.
The Texas team in 1968 might have been the best team....they beat hell out of Tenn. but they were 8-1-1 going in to the bowls.
OSU won year before last and were the best team, but didnt have the best record.
Bama may win this year and would be the best team(sorry UCF).....
So damned many ways to look at it.....so again I ask....do you want the best teams?...the conference champs?...the best records?....what?
I want the best teams. Conference champs are not always the best teams.
If being a conference champion does NOT mean you can say 'we are the best team in the conference' . . . then what is the point of having a conference champion? If we go down that road then a conference championship title holds no more weight than a participation trophy.
Said another way, being a conference champion should mean, by default, you are the best team in the conference otherwise it means nothing.
This is why in BB, conference winners get automatic invites to the tournament then rankings play into the selection process AFTER that.
Said another way, being a conference champion should mean, by default, you are the best team in the conference otherwise it means nothing.
This is why in BB, conference winners get automatic invites to the tournament then rankings play into the selection process AFTER that.
dammit Clob....when I am spouting off I dont expect anyone to actually pay attention and try and decypher what I wrote.....yeah,yeah...what Clob said
Besides....you have to beware of the Villages....highest STD rate in the country, and 2nd isnt close.
Besides....you have to beware of the Villages....highest STD rate in the country, and 2nd isnt close.
We've already been "down that road" for decades, and conference championships still mean more than participation trophies.
Except it doesn't, because sometimes the conference champion isn't.
Most conferences award their automatic bids to winners of silly conference tournaments, not the winner of the regular season conference championship, which is by far the most meaningful. Besides, the fact that another sport does something some way is not persuasive in and of itself.
I'm not "understating" or undervaluing anyone. I simply said that Boise State has been far and away the most consistently successful mid-major, now that TCU has been in a P5 conference for six seasons. That's just a simple fact.
UCF has had five double-digit-win seasons since becoming at D-I program, not six. They've also had 10 losing seasons during that time. In any case, their schedules in the last five years have included the likes of Michigan, Penn State, Stanford, Mizzou, South Carolina, and several other lesser P5 programs. This was just a light year for them (and would have been even if they had been able to play Georgia Tech).
Glad you mentioned USF. They're another good example of the kind of scheduling a non-Boise State mid-major can manage if they're willing to give up some home games to play major programs. In the last several years, they've played FSU (four times) and Miami; they've signed up for one-time road games with Notre Dame, Florida, Michigan State, and Wisconsin; and they've thrown in several other games against lesser P5 programs.
The second-winningest mid-major program over the last decade is NIU. NIU's schedule next year is an example of the kind of OOC schedule a mid-major can assemble if they're willing to give up plenty of home games. In 2018, NIU will play at Florida State, at Iowa, at BYU, and at home against Utah. That's four P5 (or P5 equivalent) teams in four OOC games. They've played Ohio State, Nebraska, Arkansas, and several other P5 schools in recent seasons.
UH has also played OU, UCLA, Louisville, and others in recent years. However, Yurachek, their AD from 2015 until last month, said that he wanted to schedule OOC games against opponents that were willing to give home-and-homes rather than 2-for-1s, one-time away games, away-and-neutral site games, and so on. Lo and behold, their future OOC schedules are suddenly less impressive. But it's about economics -- not because no one will play them.
None of these schools have been left begging for P5 opponents. The chief limiting factors are the number of home games ADs are willing to give up and the number of likely (or likelier) losses ADs and coaches are willing to sign up for.
The above shows otherwise.
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This is the place in Florida right? Cause I have heard the same thing about the STDs
Wtf are old people doing giving each other the clap? I thought those places we couples retirement homes, not swingers colonies.
Clob....when you were 18 you would not have dreamed of going with a 40 year old woman. You got to 40 and they started looking pretty good. Same goes for 50....60....70....80....
Couple that with the idea that "older" folks know there aint all the time in the world left.Throw in the mix the realization that most of the reasons for "holding off" so to speak are pointless and you have the perfect storm of promiscuity mixed in with the money and free time to take advantage of it.......
Now that you are educated, have a little respect and let your folks know you are coming and dont just drop in.
Couple that with the idea that "older" folks know there aint all the time in the world left.Throw in the mix the realization that most of the reasons for "holding off" so to speak are pointless and you have the perfect storm of promiscuity mixed in with the money and free time to take advantage of it.......
Now that you are educated, have a little respect and let your folks know you are coming and dont just drop in.
It's not just those 8 teams that matter in CFB. To many of us who love CFB, the bowls matter, particularly the Alamo Bowl on up (so Citrus, Peach, Cotton, etc., too). What you're describing is going to compete with those bowls, and consign others as being one little cog in your machine.
We've already got kids deciding not to play in the bowl game. Turf toe. Coach, my head hurts.
They're already playing 12 or 13 games while taking college classes. Oh, and you're playing for schools and coaches making millions, and you don't get paid. It's basically an NFL interview for a few years. And let's just add up to 3 more games (per season) against some of the hardest-hitting teams, where we make even more money and you don't, while you risk CTE, TBI, concussions, seizures, etc. "You good with that? C'mon! Be a team player, Malik!"
Dennis Dodd's article on the topic back in December had some good points, too.
From a school level or for the football fan, an 8 team playoff is more fair, perhaps, than a 4 team one. You're going to have some years, though, where a good team manages to beat a great one. Is that more fair or even satisfying? Debatable.
From the perspective of each player, though, it's much less fair than the current system, where student-athletes (ahem) take all the risks and get a scholarship-plus a small stipend, while the coaches and schools are taking in millions (and even if the programs are operating in the red, they're doing it for the exposure, so let's not pretend the schools are doing it out of the goodness of their hearts).
In my own case, my schools had football programs in a similar situation. They operated in the red, primarily for exposure, as well as tradition and entertainment. It's what schools do in Texas and most states. However, the brain injuries I received in football and track have affected my health for life, my earning potential, IQ, attention span, etc. I have to take meds twice daily because of what I did in ES, MS and HS. There are risks and therefore stress every time I drive, stand on concrete, etc. Particularly when I'm alone. So there's a risk and therefore a cost, is what I'm saying, to extending the season by even 1 game. And the higher the level of competition, the more dangerous the physics -- but my own experience shows that even MS football is dangerous, when helmet hits the turf.
At some point, I think we'll see the playoffs expanded to eight teams. Its all about money, and the NCAA, universities and the networks will benefit. The players will be in favor of more teams in the playoffs as well. Its easy to use the current bowls as play-in games to ultimately reach the finals. Hopefully this expansion will happen after the current contract runs out with the four-team playoff.
The naivety , arrogance, and ignorance of the young never ceases to to present itself.
Damn Clob....how could it have been?...After all....you once said you always felt you were the smartest one in the room....
Oh no..... Not me. However, today I did go have lunch with my 3rd grade nephew and I'm pretty sure I was the smartest person in the lunch room. But not by much.
I believe at this time we can declare this thread sufficiently derailed.
Not really. D2 plays 11 regular season games. And they do a 14 team playoff. If everybody else can do it division 1 can do 8.... it only adds one week to the season and they take over a month off(in some cases) before the playoff games.
And even if you had to shorten the shedule. Get rid of those SEC vs FCS games. No one wants them anyway fans, players, TV, etc.
It’s gonna happen eventually. Conferences are gonna start insisting on it because their tired of getting left out and the moving goal posts. Might as well be sooner rather than later.
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