What do you think of a 3 headed qb this year?

[outhereincali]

This is absolutely the worst time of the year for me. The NBA Finals are over, I just can't get into baseball anymore, and the dog days of summer have just begun. Opening kickoff is on 9/4 and that's about 75 days from now, might as well be 75 years.

There's a saying that if you have 2 qb's you have none and I imagine if you have 3 qb's its even worse. We all know that Shane Buechele is the future at qb. But do you think well have 3 qb's playing until the coaches feel that Shane is ready to be full time? I like to call true freshman six months removed from the senior prom. Can we afford to put a kid like that going full time against Oklahoma? We all know about the 18 wheeler package for Tyrone, and since Jarrod is a good runner I imagine we can do something for him as well. But we have a couple of rb's to compliment that. But a seal can throw the ball with more accuracy than Swoopes or Heard. We have new receivers this year John Burt, and Colin Johnson, have great promise. With our running game can we afford to bring them along carefully? Will we have to dink and dunk for awhile?

So should we go with this until the coaches feel that Shane is ready to go full time?

 

[Scholz]

Buechele.

 

[TexExSpur]

Shane is the QB.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Yeah, Shane will start from the beginning. Don't expect any announcement until the week of the ND game, though.

 

[Texxxxas]

If we play 3 QB's by choice, I think it would be Strong's last year at Texas. But that's not happening, Shane it is.

 

[bubba2023]

It's got to be Shane. Swoopes will get a few short yardage plays because he was effective last year in that, but nothing that would qualify as sharing snaps at QB. I doubt he throws a pass outside of garage time. Not sure when Heard sees snaps at QB barring injury.

Outside of the Cal game Heard has looked as bad as Swoopes ever has. Not sure what he brings to the table.

 

[outhereincali]

If true I hope Shane is ready for a full season. Something that concerns me about true freshman qb's is not just inexperience on the field, but not having a full year in the weight room. Did you notice that most of our true fros missed at least one game last year?

 

[oldhorn2]

Fall camp will be interesting, I dont know if Shane will get the start against ND, but I expect him in by the 3rd series and staying for the season. The team will demand it.However, Shane may take the team over this summer prior to fall....hell, he might have already done it.

 

[bubba2023]

If true I hope Shane is ready for a full season. Something that concerns me about true freshman qb's is not just inexperience on the field, but not having a full year in the weight room. Did you notice that most of our true fros missed at least one game last year?

I guarantee you he's going to make mistakes, and every sack is going to have you wincing an crossing your fingers. It's certainly not an optimal situation, but if he's the best option to win what are you going to do?

 

[speedstrength]

Last year during one of the games they were doing some good stuff with Swoopes and Heard on the field at the same time. Word is Heard could be a really good slot receiver and Swoopes did line up at H-Back in the two QB package. I could see some stuff where you have two QBs on the field at the same time and every now and then have heard or Swoopes step in to run the option. But I think Shane is going to be the main guy.

 

[jsto60]

Hate the idea of 3 qbs playing regularly.

 

[NDAFArly]

The question you need to ask is do you want the chance to win early, or win more later down the road?
Starting a true freshmen QB will be rough at first, but by year two it will pay off. You can win a couple games maybe with experienced QB that a freshman won't win, but if you are looking ahead you let your freshman take his lumps.

So do you won't to got 7-5, 8-4 this year with your older QBs, or maybe 5-7, 6-6 but have an experienced young QB going forward?

 

[bubba2023]

Unless Heard or Swoopes have improved by leaps and bounds, all reports indicate they haven't, I don't think there is a single game they can win that Shane can't. The games they have won have been on the backs of great defensive efforts not them doing anything extraordinary.

 

[speedstrength]

I know the spring game doesn't really mean much but the Shane looked much better than Swoopes, Heard got hurt early in spring practices. Right now it looks like the kid gives us the best chance to win.

 

[bubba2023]

The question you need to ask is do you want the chance to win early, or win more later down the road?
Starting a true freshmen QB will be rough at first, but by year two it will pay off. You can win a couple games maybe with experienced QB that a freshman won't win, but if you are looking ahead you let your freshman take his lumps.

So do you won't to got 7-5, 8-4 this year with your older QBs, or maybe 5-7, 6-6 but have an experienced young QB going forward?

If any of our QBs can get us to 8-4, they would be the starter. The scenario you are presenting isn't what exists here. We aren't sacrificing the now for the future. Our veteran QBs aren't a realistic option to win 7+ games.

 

[jsto60]

The question you need to ask is do you want the chance to win early, or win more later down the road?
Starting a true freshmen QB will be rough at first, but by year two it will pay off. You can win a couple games maybe with experienced QB that a freshman won't win, but if you are looking ahead you let your freshman take his lumps.

So do you won't to got 7-5, 8-4 this year with your older QBs, or maybe 5-7, 6-6 but have an experienced young QB going forward?

We shouldn't go 5-7 with any QBs. Period.

Nor are Heard or Swoopes more likely to win 7 or 8 games than Buechele is.

 

[NDAFArly]

We shouldn't go 5-7 with any QBs. Period.

Nor are Heard or Swoopes more likely to win 7 or 8 games than Buechele is.

This scenario has played out countless times in football. Heard & Swoopes might not go out & win games, but they also might not lose games a freshman could.
Shane could go out & be great one week, then turn around & throw four picks against a crappy team the next week & lose 13-10. This happens all the time with true freshman QBs. It's just the nature of the beast.
If your plan is to run the ball & play solid defense, you don't want your QB throwing Ints.

Your schedule is set up where you have a lot of 50/50 games that could decide your season.
Just look at Cal, TTU, Baylor, WVU, TCU. That's five games that could go either way.

 

[jsto60]

This scenario has played out countless times in football. Heard & Swoopes might not go out & win games, but they also might not lose games a freshman could.
Shane could go out & be great one week, then turn around & throw four picks against a crappy team the next week & lose 13-10. This happens all the time with true freshman QBs. It's just the nature of the beast.
If your plan is to run the ball & play solid defense, you don't want your QB throwing Ints.

Your schedule is set up where you have a lot of 50/50 games that could decide your season.
Just look at Cal, TTU, Baylor, WVU, TCU. That's five games that could go either way.

I don't care about the possibilities thanks to history. History also shows us times when true freshman have come in and done well. Your history of other teams is null and void. Just like my history of other teams that have succeeded here. This team is NONE of those teams.

Bottom line is that the bulk of this team is returning. With a seasoned OL and play makers on offense. And a solid D. We'd be hard pressed to get worse QB play no matter who takes snaps. From a team that was 5-7 last year.....and just inches or missed XPs or muffed last minute punts away from winning a few other games.

So history tells me that if this team should win more games than last year. Period. Thanks to what it is returning. Not to mention, a new OC and new offense designed to hide QB flaws and make decision making/read process easier for the QB. I am not ecstatic about starting a true frosh QB. But I think he is the best option we have. We know what Swoopes is. We've seen 3 years of him. I'm disappointed in Heards lack of growth. Buechele looks like the best fit. Doesn't matter that he is a true frosh, this isn't a 5 win ROSTER or TEAM.

We should be better than 5-7 PERIOD.

 

[bubba2023]

This scenario has played out countless times in football. Heard & Swoopes might not go out & win games, but they also might not lose games a freshman could.
Shane could go out & be great one week, then turn around & throw four picks against a crappy team the next week & lose 13-10. This happens all the time with true freshman QBs. It's just the nature of the beast.
If your plan is to run the ball & play solid defense, you don't want your QB throwing Ints.

Your schedule is set up where you have a lot of 50/50 games that could decide your season.
Just look at Cal, TTU, Baylor, WVU, TCU. That's five games that could go either way.

I don't know if you paid attention to us outside of the ND game, but both Swoopes and Heard have lost some pretty crappy games for us.

 

[NDAFArly]

I don't know if you paid attention to us outside of the ND game, but both Swoopes and Heard have lost some pretty crappy games for us.

I actually do. I root for Texas the minute the ND game ends. In the current playoff model ND needs Texas to win. I hope you win every single game after the ND game. Let's say Texas beats ND & that is NDs only loss & Texas wins the Big12 . ND could still get in.

 

[bubba2023]

Well then you should know our veteran QBs aren't capable of winning very many games.

 

[NDAFArly]

Well then you should know our veteran QBs aren't capable of winning very many games.

I just think that they won't be forced to. I think they will just hand the ball off, throw short zone reads, & try to win with ball possession. I don't think they want any more 45-44 games. Even defensively I think you need to protect them. I know you bring a lot back, but they were 87th in the nation. You need to keep them off the field.

 

[diadevic]

Not to mention, a new OC and new offense designed to hide QB flaws and make decision making/read process easier for the QB.

This can't be overemphasized. The biggest knock on BU QB's from NFL is they haven't had to read defenses - the sideline calls everything. Having the new OC alone will limit half the freshman mistakes. If Swoopes walks out for anything other than a QB sneak or draw, this will be Strong's last year.

 

[westx]

I don't care about the possibilities thanks to history. History also shows us times when true freshman have come in and done well. Your history of other teams is null and void. Just like my history of other teams that have succeeded here. This team is NONE of those teams.

Bottom line is that the bulk of this team is returning. With a seasoned OL and play makers on offense. And a solid D. We'd be hard pressed to get worse QB play no matter who takes snaps. From a team that was 5-7 last year.....and just inches or missed XPs or muffed last minute punts away from winning a few other games.

So history tells me that if this team should win more games than last year. Period. Thanks to what it is returning. Not to mention, a new OC and new offense designed to hide QB flaws and make decision making/read process easier for the QB. I am not ecstatic about starting a true frosh QB. But I think he is the best option we have. We know what Swoopes is. We've seen 3 years of him. I'm disappointed in Heards lack of growth. Buechele looks like the best fit. Doesn't matter that he is a true frosh, this isn't a 5 win ROSTER or TEAM.

We should be better than 5-7 PERIOD.

Unfortunately for Heard, Buechelle's opportunity vs his isn't apples to apples. When Heard had his shot, Texas' defense was not very good, but mainly his O line and running backs are night and day-You could make an argument about offensive coaching as well, but we won't know for sure until we see what Coach Gilbert does.

 

[FlourBluffHorn]

Hate the idea of 3 qbs playing regularly.

Be grateful , remember when we had just Swoopes?



Hook'em

 

[jsto60]

I just think that they won't be forced to. I think they will just hand the ball off, throw short zone reads, & try to win with ball possession. I don't think they want any more 45-44 games. Even defensively I think you need to protect them. I know you bring a lot back, but they were 87th in the nation. You need to keep them off the field.

And a true freshman can't do this?

Quick, someone get him a warm body to practice hand offs and toss sweeps. He's never learned those tools. And a couple of those fancy motorized passing targets that you see at QB competitions. So he can practice short passing trees.

Sorry to tell you, but that is how we lost games last year. Teams then stacked the box and ate us up. We have to challenge with passes downfield to stretch the D and make them play honest. This is how we won. Problem with Swoopes is that he is extremely inaccurate on even the shortest throws, much less the long ones. Heard was way more comfortable running the ball and he lost confidence in his arm as the year progressed....as did the coaches.

We have already seen both of them attempt the game plan you just laid out....with middling success.

This new offense plays to Buechele's strengths. As evidenced already day in and out in practice and scrimmages. Next it plays to Heard's as he ran a similar style for 2 HS state titles. Lastly it does not play to Swoopes, but Swoopes has yet to really develop what he is as a passer. Since in HS all he did was run a single wing rushing offense. And in college he's been yanked in and out of different schemes each year with little success in any of them, EXCEPT for a goalline type rushing package. Which plays to what he ran in HS and his strengths. Bottom line, the guy isn't a passer. Wasn't in HS. Hasn't been over 3 years in NCAA. And he isn't going to all of the sudden become on in his last year of college.

 

[HornosaurusRex]

Let's say Texas beats ND & that is NDs only loss & Texas wins the Big12 . ND could still get in.

Sounds good, let's make it happen.

Hook 'em

 

[speedstrength]

Swoopes biggest problems is accuracy and decision making. The know offense should help the decision making but the accuracy issues continue to haunt him. Heard is more accurate but tends to hold on to the ball too long and tries to make plays with his feet. The new offense should help him out since you throw to your first read most of the time. Haven't seen him in the offense so can't really tell. Shane looked really good, make quick decisions, got the ball out quickly and accurately and is enough of an athlete to keep a defense honest on the option game.

 

[NDAFArly]

And a true freshman can't do this?

Quick, someone get him a warm body to practice hand offs and toss sweeps. He's never learned those tools. And a couple of those fancy motorized passing targets that you see at QB competitions. So he can practice short passing trees.

Sorry to tell you, but that is how we lost games last year. Teams then stacked the box and ate us up. We have to challenge with passes downfield to stretch the D and make them play honest. This is how we won. Problem with Swoopes is that he is extremely inaccurate on even the shortest throws, much less the long ones. Heard was way more comfortable running the ball and he lost confidence in his arm as the year progressed....as did the coaches.

We have already seen both of them attempt the game plan you just laid out....with middling success.

This new offense plays to Buechele's strengths. As evidenced already day in and out in practice and scrimmages. Next it plays to Heard's as he ran a similar style for 2 HS state titles. Lastly it does not play to Swoopes, but Swoopes has yet to really develop what he is as a passer. Since in HS all he did was run a single wing rushing offense. And in college he's been yanked in and out of different schemes each year with little success in any of them, EXCEPT for a goalline type rushing package. Which plays to what he ran in HS and his strengths. Bottom line, the guy isn't a passer. Wasn't in HS. Hasn't been over 3 years in NCAA. And he isn't going to all of the sudden become on in his last year of college.

Well, I guess we will find out week one. ND will be a good litmus test. NDs offense is legit. The defense has question marks on it though. I think Texas' chance to win is to control the clock, keep NDs offense off the field, & hope Kelly gets pass happy (which he is known to do).
I would assume (but who knows with this guy) that BVG will have a confusing scheme designed to test a freshman QB.
Texas needs to get up early & take the air out of the ball.

 

[jsto60]

Well, I guess we will find out week one. ND will be a good litmus test. NDs offense is legit. The defense has question marks on it though. I think Texas' chance to win is to control the clock, keep NDs offense off the field, & hope Kelly gets pass happy (which he is known to do).
I would assume (but who knows with this guy) that BVG will have a confusing scheme designed to test a freshman QB.
Texas needs to get up early & take the air out of the ball.

I get your point. But I also see plenty of contradictions.

Get up early, and hold the lead is a formula that is the plan for every team that is the underdog.

But you rightly say that ND is strong on O and has weakness on D....yet you then say UT shouldn't attack the weak D. So UTs only hope is to hold a lead and stop a great O and pray that they don't have to go after a questionable D. Really???


This idea is basically what the plan was vs an early home game vs Cal last year. Also a team with a great O and questionable D. And we were starting a QB in his first start. And instead it turned in to a wild shoot out that we were right in. Thanks to a missed XP we lost.

Don't get me wrong. Its always a strategy to score more than the other guy and hold them to less pts. But as teams get more spread out. The TT strategy of just making it a pin ball game and seeing who turns it over less.....well that works for an upset to. I don't think that is what the staff will do.


I think we need to be balanced with the ball on O. Can't be super conservative and just go 3 and out because we don't bother to pass (see ND game last year).....praying that our D saves us (see ND game last year). We need to be aggressive and challenge ND short and deep and with the pass and run and be careful with the ball. And get some turnovers on D.

 

[speedstrength]

Tempo is really going to help out. If you are snapping the ball less than 8 seconds after it is set the defense doesn't have time to dial up exotic schemes and if the ball is on the has its almost impossible to disguise the coverage. Most of the time a D will check to a predetermined scheme. Gives the QB clean presnap reads. My fear is that our up tempo offense will sputter leaving our D on the field for a long time on a hot summer night.

 

[NDAFArly]

I get your point. But I also see plenty of contradictions.

Get up early, and hold the lead is a formula that is the plan for every team that is the underdog.

But you rightly say that ND is strong on O and has weakness on D....yet you then say UT shouldn't attack the weak D. So UTs only hope is to hold a lead and stop a great O and pray that they don't have to go after a questionable D. Really???


This idea is basically what the plan was vs an early home game vs Cal last year. Also a team with a great O and questionable D. And we were starting a QB in his first start. And instead it turned in to a wild shoot out that we were right in. Thanks to a missed XP we lost.

Don't get me wrong. Its always a strategy to score more than the other guy and hold them to less pts. But as teams get more spread out. The TT strategy of just making it a pin ball game and seeing who turns it over less.....well that works for an upset to. I don't think that is what the staff will do.


I think we need to be balanced with the ball on O. Can't be super conservative and just go 3 and out because we don't bother to pass (see ND game last year).....praying that our D saves us (see ND game last year). We need to be aggressive and challenge ND short and deep and with the pass and run and be careful with the ball. And get some turnovers on D.

What I meant was make sure you get something out of every possession, even if you punt. If both teams have the ball 12-15 times ND wins. If both teams have the ball 7-8 times anything can happen. So controlling the ball limits each team's chances, which favors Texas.

 

[NDAFArly]

Tempo is really going to help out. If you are snapping the ball less than 8 seconds after it is set the defense doesn't have time to dial up exotic schemes and if the ball is on the has its almost impossible to disguise the coverage. Most of the time a D will check to a predetermined scheme. Gives the QB clean presnap reads. My fear is that our up tempo offense will sputter leaving our D on the field for a long time on a hot summer night.

That's my biggest complaint of Kelly. Sometimes he likes the uptempo passing game a little too much. Especially in the red zone. Between the 20's ND was top 5 nationally, in the red zone outside the top 100.

 

[TexExSpur]

Give me the Fish!

http://www.sportsonearth.com/article/156583514/best-true-freshman-quarterback-seasons

It's a chance worth taking. His gym rat mentality and desire to study film remind me of a couple fantastic QB's.

 

[outhereincali]

That's my biggest complaint of Kelly. Sometimes he likes the uptempo passing game a little too much. Especially in the red zone. Between the 20's ND was top 5 nationally, in the red zone outside the top 100.

Were you guys that bad I can't believe that. I haven't followed ND closely this spring. What are Malik Zaire chances of playing again? Is former Spur David Robinson's son still on the team? Who are your ACC opponents this year?

After I posted about Corey I decide to look him up myself. I read that just a few days ago he retired because of concussions. Damn sorry that happened to Corey. Would have been a senior this year. I saw him against FSU a couple of years showed a lot of promise, but it's the best thing for him to retire.