What the hell happened to Vince Young? - by Vince Young
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I've been to Sunnyside and not the daycare. It's a hellhole. Neighborhoods like Sunnyside need help. Not more money but serious re education on living. They are slaves still. They are stuck in a system with no help. More money isn't the answer. Real Churches and following Biblical law is the answer. It's a long haul but it's the only way out but help in a real person to person way helps emensly. Thank you VY.
Grew up in Greenspoint and his story reminds me of my neighborhood. It’s a vicious cycle and you have to figure out how to break it. Lucky for him talent and football mixed very well.
And this is why children need to grow up with BOTH parents. It all starts with a stable home that has love.
You can live under a fvcking bridge if you're surrounded by people that truly love you.
You can live under a fvcking bridge if you're surrounded by people that truly love you.
I think you mean both parents that care! Matters none if both are POS. Stable home but also an environment that isn’t hostile every day. I had friends with great parents that turned out like shit because of bad decisions mostly being followers. I agree if you have two supportive parents you stand a better chance in the hood. If you have 1 which is usually mom or grandma it’s definitely harder.
Resources for education will have more of an impact on building cultural capital, than any religion (based on evidence based research). Start there to break the cycle they were placed in...which makes one more vulnerable to destruction. The fact that we refuse to put more money into education, tells me that too many people are ok with the status quo, as long as they are not impacted.
Politacal corruption will disappear any amount of money. There is no accountability.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.ho...tigative-report-cites-misconduct-14288680.php
Do a search for houston or dallas ISD corruption and you'll get pages of the crap.
What is needed.
https://www.dlftx.org/transform-dallas
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Pretty good read. He had it all coming out of college, sad to see where he is in life. Hope he can turn it around
The corruption in those articles can be better monitored. That said, one can find corruption anywhere...especially religion. I love God, but I don't trust the fake morals of people. History has proven as much. I think your heart is in the right place and I pray it remains that way.
Education is the great equalizer and poor areas need more resources. To say it can't be fixed due to corruption, is over simplistic. We live amongst corruption in all things, but the research says more resources are needed and it works.
In theory your statement would be true, but we live amongst people.
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That's an astute take that will solve all the ills of a sordid history. Thanks for sharing.
This couldn’t be more wrong. Take the city of Newark NJ as an example. They’re school districts are given almost $800 million dollars per year in funding, for a staggering, near $50,000 per student per year! Even zuckerberg gave Newark school districts $100 million. Completely insane and excessively funded. Since overly funding this district and others like it, there has been a marginal, at best, increase in graduation rates and decrease in crime. Feel free to research to it. Have a great day!
I've done the research on several cities across the country. Internet stories don't disprove actual research.
"The formula that decides how K-12 schools are funding in New Jersey, created by the School Reform Funding Act of 2008, has itself been underfunded since its inception and — depending on how it’s calculated — it may never be truly fully funded."
Sounds underfunded to me. But even if you were correct about one location, I've done extensive research beyond one school, one city, and one state. Sounds like the state of New Jersey disagrees with your excessive funding comment. Do you know why the School Reform Funding Act of 2008 was needed? You too have a great day.
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Yes and no. Throwing money at any problem doesn't REALLY fix it. Hence why there's a saying about throwing "good money after bad money". You can't educate people that have no desire to be educated.
It sucks, but it's the truth.
Too bad there are millions of people who will ignore it. Keep chunking other peoples $ at bad policies expecting a different outcome.
Others people's money? I can provide of list of where other people's money actually goes, and has always gone. It's not VY's old neighborhood. As a matter of fact, I'll be happy to give a lesson on how the middle class was created by other people's money. Several people in this country should be poor and bankrupt, but are still rich because of other people's money. By the way, my first response to you was tongue in cheek.
I work with government agencies. They are a model of inefficiency and waste. Every solution to every problem is more money... typically to solve the last bad idea.
Some people like things the way they are. Its better for business. A culture change is often needed, and is the last thing that would ever happen. Too many hands in the cookie jar.
I never said money alone is the solution. That should go without saying...come on man. But who doesn't want to be educated? Are you in these neighborhoods daily? Do you mentor thousands of these kids? Knowing knuckle heads here and there, can't speak for the overall community. With education comes better choices. Cultural capital needs to be built in order to pass it down, so people can understand how important education is.
Agreed. And there are communities that, on the whole, value education. But there are outliers even in this communities. Then there are communities that everyone wants out of, see Vince Young day dreaming about just having a normal life outside of the hood, but because of lack of direction, social pressures, violence in the community, lack of concern or interaction by the parents, whatever the reason, they truly don't give a damn about going to get an education.
Let me give you a few examples--
For years my company handled the retirement for large school districts down in the valley. Mercedes, PSJA, McAllen, Weslaco etc. Pretty much all the kids were on free or reduced meals. After lunch, the high school campuses became ghost towns. Kids would show up to eat breakfast, go to a couple of classes, eat lunch, and then just stroll in mass, out the door. I'm not kidding you one bit. The kids that stuck around were usually involved in athletics or some other extracurricular activities after school. I would walk classes that were completely empty. I'd ask the teachers where all the kids were and they would flat out tell you that they all bounce after lunch. I asked why truancy officers weren't used to round the kids up and the answer I got time and again were there weren't enough truancy officers in the entire state that could round up all these kids. The kids just flat out didn't want to be there. They wanted their pancake breakfast and their pizza lunch and then they left.
This isn't a community thing. This is a societal or cultural thing.
I appreciate the time you took to type all that, but I'm not moved by personal stories of that one time at band camp. I live it. Most of the culture/community wants to be educated...I don't care about the semantics of it all. Cultural capital is beyond money and education is key to building it. Educated parents tend to have educated kids for a reason (much more so than uneducated parents). They've built cultural capital and education is valued. Resources are needed.
That said, I know when to stop. No need in butting our heads against the wall. Enjoy.
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Parent discipline and involvement will always be the biggest key! You will never convince me otherwise!
. This right here. All the resources and taxpayer funds in the world wont make a single bit of difference if your plan is to ignore all of the above.
I don't feel as though you or I are butting our heads against a wall. A bottle of 25 year old Macallan single malt, a couple of tumblers and some ice cubes combined with two realistic, rational and pragmatic people can discuss and at times, solve several problems. As a first hand witness to the education system in this state, I see problems. Loads of them. And yes, educated parents on the average, tend to have educated children. But much like we have discovered the hard way in this country, time and time again, democracy can't be propagated at the end of a gun barrel. In that same breath, education can't be forced upon the unwilling. They must want it. Are all the individuals that truly "want it" getting the education they should? Certainly not. Especially in areas that lack economic affluence. And like most complicated problems, there's no single silver bullet to solve what ails it. My solution is, for starters, having two parents that emphasize the importance of education. Once that problem is given some form of remedy, then, I believe it's possible to move toward the NEXT hurdle that must be cleared.
But at the end of the day, the Darwinian theory will still win out. It's the ongoing debate I've had with two of my closest friends, a husband and wife that are both nuclear engineers---
What came first?
Knowledge or intelligence? Roll it around your head before you answer.
If you look at the research the only thing that really improves math and reading is smaller class sizes with teachers who have been trained to work with smaller classes. I've seen numbers as that show those 2 things are with almost a grade level. Classes of 13-15 with highly trained teachers is expensive but it's also what you see at the fancy prep schools
It starts with the parents. Many in these communities for years have relied on the government tit. Laziness breeds laziness. Kids are following the examples set by their parents. Get the parents motivated to becoming productive citizens the rest will fall in line.
It's like that small town with failing schools, crumbling buildings, and industry moving elsewhere. When someone with the ability to make positive changes "comes into town"....the residents rally around one another to drive them out. They don't need any out of towners coming in and telling them how to do things. Local "leaders" who live quite nicely hold rallies to tell the out of towners that they aren't welcome in their community. They leave for a more welcoming town to invest their capital.
Meanwhile people in the town complain about their plight, and how nothing ever gets done....
Meanwhile people in the town complain about their plight, and how nothing ever gets done....
I want the fruit of your labor, not your work ethic. Sigh, it never works.
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Well guys, I've read this whole thread and it's a very good discussion. Having had a father and grandmother in education for 40 years each . . . hearing their discussions . . . and having been through the system myself . . . I'll throw my 2 cents into this.
Allow me to pose a thought question . . . why do we as a society draw a distinction between physical traits and mental ones?? Because we do just that. For example, say I'm a 14 year old kid that's 4' 7" and 110 lbs and slow as molasses . . . and I try out for the football team because I love football. What is going to happen to me? I'm going to get my ass cut. Now if I'm 6' 4" and 240 then the football coach and I will be best buds, right?
We recognize those physical traits, or lack thereof, early on and channel the kids appropriately into physical activities where they will be successful and keep them out of arenas where they can't compete. But when it comes to academics, everyone has to go through the same basic stuff 1st, then smarter kids will be put into honors classes and everyone else will continue in the basic curriculum. Why?? We refuse to accept the reality that some kids don't have the ability or desire to succeed at the basic stuff.
You can throw all the money in the world at those kids and it won't change the outcome 1 bit.
We all know by age 14 or 15 who belongs in academia and who doesn't. Why don't we have public trade schools as an option for kids who don't want to be in academia? We have to make sure these kids have a path to success and prosperity too. Why do we force feed Algebra down the throat of a kid with an 80 IQ when he/she can't grasp it in the 1st place . . . Or the kid with a 150 IQ that's bored out of his/her mind and just wants to be a graphic artist? We could be spending those education $ on teaching the kids a viable trade or skill?
Academia and a white collar job isn't the only path to success and academic prowess isn't the only measure of intelligence. The late Ted Knight had a great line in Caddyshacks. He said . . . "The world needs ditch diggers too." It was a funny line but it's absolutely true and there's no shame in doing a service job for your career. I think we need to expand our thinking a bit and have more options, early on, for kids today. Perhaps 8th grade could serve as a demarcation point??
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Allow me to pose a thought question . . . why do we as a society draw a distinction between physical traits and mental ones?? Because we do just that. For example, say I'm a 14 year old kid that's 4' 7" and 110 lbs and slow as molasses . . . and I try out for the football team because I love football. What is going to happen to me? I'm going to get my ass cut. Now if I'm 6' 4" and 240 then the football coach and I will be best buds, right?
We recognize those physical traits, or lack thereof, early on and channel the kids appropriately into physical activities where they will be successful and keep them out of arenas where they can't compete. But when it comes to academics, everyone has to go through the same basic stuff 1st, then smarter kids will be put into honors classes and everyone else will continue in the basic curriculum. Why?? We refuse to accept the reality that some kids don't have the ability or desire to succeed at the basic stuff.
You can throw all the money in the world at those kids and it won't change the outcome 1 bit.
We all know by age 14 or 15 who belongs in academia and who doesn't. Why don't we have public trade schools as an option for kids who don't want to be in academia? We have to make sure these kids have a path to success and prosperity too. Why do we force feed Algebra down the throat of a kid with an 80 IQ when he/she can't grasp it in the 1st place . . . Or the kid with a 150 IQ that's bored out of his/her mind and just wants to be a graphic artist? We could be spending those education $ on teaching the kids a viable trade or skill?
Academia and a white collar job isn't the only path to success and academic prowess isn't the only measure of intelligence. The late Ted Knight had a great line in Caddyshacks. He said . . . "The world needs ditch diggers too." It was a funny line but it's absolutely true and there's no shame in doing a service job for your career. I think we need to expand our thinking a bit and have more options, early on, for kids today. Perhaps 8th grade could serve as a demarcation point??
My 2 cents
I agree with this post. A go getter can make a damn good living too. Motivation is the key, not necessarily having the smarts real good.
It's far from that simple. As a matter of fact, about 20% of Americans live below the poverty line, and our poor population is far greater than other developed countries. Can you tell me how that happened? I would love to hear your explanation, since you want to talk about truth.
People make bad decisions, but poverty can't simply be explained by concentrating on the behavior of those suffering. High concentrations of poverty are no accident...that came from the evils of racism. All poverty is not created equal. To be a poor man is hard, but to start as a poor race that didn't have the luxury of building wealth off the back of others is harder. To be slaves longer than you have been free, is no small feat to overcome. To deal with that, black codes, jim crow, and institutional racism (mountains of evidence to back that up) is hard to overcome. Especially when white people destroyed prosperous neighborhoods like in Tulsa and many others. That happened all over the country. Evil racist people are the reason for disparity in this country, and it started from day one. That's truth. Black people work harder than anyone to get where we are, in a country that has never not been racist. The US government was still experimenting on Black people in the 70's, so you know there has never been equality for us. How many rights did Black people finally receive in the 60's and 70's. And no, the experience of immigrants no matter their color, can't be compared to that of Black people. Completely different circumstances and privileges. If not for welfare and white affirmative action, there would be no white middle class. Yet those same services were denied to Black people for so long. If the lazy title is going to be placed on anyone, it's those that got rich on the backs of Black people. This country wouldn't have an economy without that free labor. This country wouldn't have had the means to win wars without that free labor. This country would be speaking another language without that free labor. Let's talk about how the wealth and the lazy and crooked was attained, with their names on these banks. Slavery and conquest is the reason for wealth in this country, not white ancestors working hard. The disparity in this country isn't due to hard work. It's due to the evils of your ancestors. Hard work is key, but don't make it like those communities lag behind due to being lazy. They were placed in a cycle that is difficult to break and they are more vulnerable to destruction. Should we discuss corporate welfare and who gets the majority of their money from "other people." Welfare recipients (mostly white) get about $16.5 billion a year. Rich white people receive about $125 billion a year. But it goes to rich white people, so no one minds. There goes that status quo. By the way, studies show that most people work while on welfare and after. The majority of recipients don't stay on welfare for more than a year. Let's keep talking about the truth. I like it. I know why the disparities are what they are. It has nothing to do with anyone simply being lazy. It's deeper than that.
Edit: Grit and motivation are key. But situations and circumstances differ for a reason. The situation we live in today is no accident. We're still fighting those demons. Excuse makers are those avoiding this truth. A racist past and present isn't a facade to pawn off as an excuse, unless you're the racist pawning it off as an excuse. Those of us that lost ancestors due to the evil before them, are offended by that.
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I have a feeling the next 4 years are going to be really rough on excuse makers like yourself. To those in need I would say, get off your ass, go to school, make the best grades you can, apply yourself in life, don't wait for someone to do something for you, take control of your own destiny, don't settle for poverty.
I will add this for you: When I graduated high school my dear old dad gave me 3 choices. 1.) You can live in my house and pay rent; 2.) You can go to the military; 3.) You can go to college of which I am not going to help you pay for. My parents never bought me a car, never made one insurance payment for me, never paid any gas for me. It was tough love and not because I was a trouble maker or anything like that. My dad was an ex Marine and that's how he lived life I guess. So, nobody needs to think Ol' Belldozer had it easy but I can assure you that it didn't take long before I realized I better be motivated if I wanted any success in life. There you go. From that I can say that I believe poverty is a lot about making a conscience decision to not take any initiative to better your self.
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