Where is OU Going To Go?

Travis Galey

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I know, I know...it's another realignment thread. But I've been thinking quite a bit about where OU would go if they left the Big XII (which I maintain is Boren's ultimate goal). I still believe he probably would love the Big Ten, but I don't think the B1G would be too keen on that. Boren (and Stoops) have been highly critical of the SEC which makes me think they're out. The ACC is a possibility and I don't have a great reason to write them off other than it's a conference with a shaky history that has always been more dedicated to basketball than football and is like a step-brother to the SEC where the two footprints overlap. So...I've decided the Pac-12 is the most likely landing spot. I know they turned down ou when they Sooners tried to make the move in the past but I think this time would be different.

First, some background. The Pac-12 decided to go it alone with their tv network (wholly owned by the conference) and they have struggled to get carriage. Cable and satellite providers have very little incentive to pay the Pac-12 to carry their network. There's a variety of reasons for this. First, many Pac-12 schools have tepid fan bases who aren't demanding the network because they don't care to watch Oregon State play Portland State in football or see women's basketball and volleyball. Second, the Pac-12 doesn't have leverage. ESPN owns the LHN and the SEC Network. They can demand those two get on the provider's lineups or else they will charge much more for ESPN (which is an in-demand network).

Now, with those problems in place (and they are big, big problems for the conference right now), the Pac-12 has to figure out how to solve these issues. There's nothing they can do about the first one. The second one has a few solutions. They could sell a stake of the network to a partner (Fox Sports or ESPN). With Fox Sports and ESPN applying pressure, they would surely get more carriage with cable and satellite providers. Another solution would be to skip the cable and satellite providers altogether and begin to sell their network direct to consumers via online streaming. The downside of this is that they wouldn't making any money from carriage companies (that pay cable channels a set fee per subscriber regardless of any ratings). The upside is any money they do make is all profit since they own the network.

For either of those solutions to work, the Pac-12 needs more fan interest. In steps OU which has good ratings and would gin up more interest among fan bases within the Pac-12. OU playing USC would be big ratings. Same with Stanford, Oregon and to lesser extents UCLA and Arizona State. Now these games would likely be on broadcast television...but even that benefits the conference because they would get to renew their tier 1 & 2 tv contracts. OU playing Oregon State, Washington State, Utah, Colorado, etc... could end up on the network which again would create more demand and more demand equals more carriage on cable and satellite providers or via online streaming.

Finally, if OU were to leap to the Pac-12 then that would effectively kill off the Big XII. If there's no Big XII then UT is up for grabs and the Pac-12 would have to like its chances to land Texas...which is the whale in the realignment game.
 
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They aren't going anywhere - I learned last night on this board that the Big 12 is a good but not great conference and OU, Texas and Kansas are lucky to be in it together. Any questions?
 
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Yeah, Stanford isn't going to go for OU, IMO.
 
if the PAC was smart they would lure the 3 huge names Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and accept the 3 others in Tech, OSU and K-state.


The first 3 would add bluebloods in football and basketball the second 3 would add solid athletic programs additional eyeballs for a network and most important of all 3 more central time zone spots for programs like USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, and Washinton to get better coverage in central and eastern timezone markets.
 
I don't think Ou leaving would "effectively kill off the Big XII."
 
Ketch seems to be predicting a divorce down the line, on his radio show today.

Who knows though? I think if you think you know for certain what happens, you are wrong.
 
if the PAC was smart they would lure the 3 huge names Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas and accept the 3 others in Tech, OSU and K-state.


The first 3 would add bluebloods in football and basketball the second 3 would add solid athletic programs additional eyeballs for a network and most important of all 3 more central time zone spots for programs like USC, UCLA, Oregon, Arizona, and Washinton to get better coverage in central and eastern timezone markets.
I'd love to see Baylor get their throat slit in that scenario.
 
Ketch seems to be predicting a divorce down the line, on his radio show today.

Who knows though? I think if you think you know for certain what happens, you are wrong.



A divorce between UT/OU? or a divorce between UT/OU and the BIG 12??
 
SEC, in my opinion. They fit well with the "football factory" profile that the SEC holds dear.
 
PAC should look at Houston....4th largest city and 6th largest media market in the country. They check a lot of boxes for the PAC.
 
Yeah, Stanford isn't going to go for OU, IMO.
They were willing to take them when we were along for the ride. If they think there's a chance we eventually come along they may take them now. Plus, they may just take them because they see a need to change the current Pac-12 Networks malaise.

Finally, if Stanford were the only problem then it's not really a problem because it only takes 9 out of the 12 presidents voting yes for the Pac-12 to approve an expansion candidate.
 
A divorce between UT/OU? or a divorce between UT/OU and the BIG 12??
I gathered it to be between Texas and OU though I didn't gather he inferred that Texas would remain in the Big 12 without OU, just that they were headed in different directions. I gathered it to be speculation and not a hard prediction.

The last podcast covered much of the same topics.
 
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PAC should look at Houston....4th largest city and 6th largest media market in the country. They check a lot of boxes for the PAC.
Actually, Houston is the 10th largest media market...but that's somewhat irrelevant. UH may live in the market but they hardly command the media market. Obviously UT and a&m have a much larger share of that market than Houston. Heck, I would venture to guess LSU has a bigger share than UH (although that would just be a guess on my part).

My point is, they really don't bring the 10th largest media market with them and they're not a legit expansion candidate for the Pac-12.
 
They were willing to take them when we were along for the ride. If they think there's a chance we eventually come along they may take them now. Plus, they may just take them because they see a need to change the current Pac-12 Networks malaise.

Finally, if Stanford were the only problem then it's not really a problem because it only takes 9 out of the 12 presidents voting yes for the Pac-12 to approve an expansion candidate.

Yeah, with Texas, OU is an easier pill to swallow for the academic schools out there. You get the Texas media market, along with the name. With OU alone, some of those schools don't see the academic horsepower and no TVs.
 
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IMO, TX and OU will eventually part ways but I fully believe the game at the Cotton Bowl will remain the same. I think both parties are mature enough to continue o play each other.
 
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nowhere why do people keep acting like ou is going to leave?
Because of all of Boren's sabre-rattling. He may be talking about expansion, but who are the expansion candidates that really make it worthwhile? I believe he's pushing for the consultants to do the research so he can show there are no viable expansion candidates available and that will give him all of the excuse he needs to bolt from the conference.
 
Actually, Houston is the 10th largest media market...but that's somewhat irrelevant. UH may live in the market but they hardly command the media market. Obviously UT and a&m have a much larger share of that market than Houston. Heck, I would venture to guess LSU has a bigger share than UH (although that would just be a guess on my part).

My point is, they really don't bring the 10th largest media market with them and they're not a legit expansion candidate for the Pac-12.

Do you live in Houston? Because college football fans in Houston follow them when they are winning.
 
Yeah, with Texas, OU is an easier pill to swallow for the academic schools out there. You get the Texas media market, along with the name. With OU alone, some of those schools don't see the academic horsepower and no TVs.
Maybe not, but that's assuming that Texas would stay in the Big XII if OU left. But if OU leaves, the conference is as good as dead and Texas then becomes available.
 
Because of all of Boren's sabre-rattling. He may be talking about expansion, but who are the expansion candidates that really make it worthwhile? I believe he's pushing for the consultants to do the research so he can show there are no viable expansion candidates available and that will give him all of the excuse he needs to bolt from the conference.
He doesn't need excuses to leave the conference. He needs a viable landing place and a guarantee that it won't be a terrible financial decision. Problem is he has neither, so he's just going to use his pulpit to spew hot air and venom in the meantime.
 
so has anybody actually put forth an idea on how it could happen (with the GOR and everything considered). I'm not saying it could not but really . . . . how does it happen?
 
OU will go to the Pac 12 with UT, TT, and OSU if they can get UT to do it.
OU can't get into the B1G alone, but there is some possibility that OU might be able to get to the B1G as a two-team package with UT, and if that is possible then OU goes to the B1G with UT.
If OU can't get UT to go along with either of those, then OU will go to the SEC with OSU.
That would send UT and Kansas to the B1G as a two team package.
 
so has anybody actually put forth an idea on how it could happen (with the GOR and everything considered). I'm not saying it could not but really . . . . how does it happen?
There are a large group of people who believe the grant of rights is not actually legal due to... reasons. The problem is that contesting it in court is literally gambling with hundreds of millions of dollars. No AD or president is going to run that risk in order to move conferences so that they can maybe earn an extra couple million a year.

OU, Texas, and Kansas are likely safe in the event the Big XII folds. There is zero chance that these schools will not find a landing spot elsewhere. Sure there are a lot of hypothetical horror stories but they barely exist in the realm of possibility. Right now, Texas is absolutely in the most advantageous position for Texas. LHN is an ace in the hole that any school would likely trade places with us for.
 
Do you live in Houston? Because college football fans in Houston follow them when they are winning.
First off, no, I don't live in Houston. But having interest in a local team when it's winning and having a true following are two different things. I'm sure there were many fans of other schools rooting for Houston to beat FSU in the Peach Bowl simply because they live in the city. But does that "fandom" extend to buying tickets, watching every game or becoming a true fan of the school? Not likely.

Finally, these are national tv ratings not local in Houston, but it proves that UH still doesn't register when it comes to moving the ratings needle.


Houston vs. SMU (Thursday at 7:00 pm on ESPN 2)
Ratings: ---- (which means it didn't get a high enough rating to register)
Viewers: 356 thousand

Houston vs. Tulane (Friday at 9:00 pm on ESPNU)
Ratings: ---- (which means it didn't get a high enough rating to register)
Viewers: 185 thousand

Houston vs. UCF (noon on ESPN News)
Ratings: ---- (which means it didn't get a high enough rating to register)
Viewers: 171 thousand

Houston vs. Vanderbilt (7:00 on ESPN 2)
Ratings: ---- (which means it didn't get a high enough rating to register)
Viewers: 392 thousand

Houston vs. Cincinnati (3:30 on ESPN 2)
Ratings: ---- (which means it didn't get a high enough rating to register)
Viewers: 396 thousand

Houston vs. Memphis (7:05 on ESPN 2)
Ratings: 0.5
Viewers: 748 thousand

Houston vs. Uconn (3:30 on ESPNU)
Ratings: 0.2
Viewers: 373 thousand

Houston vs. Navy (noon on ABC)
Ratings: 2.1
Viewers: 3.055 million

PEACH BOWL: Houston vs. FSU (noon on New Year's Day on ESPN)
Ratings: 3.7
Viewers: 5.604 million