The go along to get along crowd keeps pushing more debt and less freedom to try to keep peace. It won't last.
Biden fear mongering Covid hoax No. 2
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This is an accurate description of most Americans when you strip away theory and generalization in this type of discussion. A large portion want to pontificate on what should be until you boil it down to a scenario dealing with them specifically. It's amazing how many people become Libertarian then.
Sudan is a great example of what we get to look forward to at some point. And for anyone that says "that would never happen here", nobody in Sudan thought it would ever happen there either. Human nature is what it is. No matter what part of the planet we call home, we're all the same animals under the surface. It's just buried deeper in some areas of the world than others.
Yes, looking for a reason not to vote for him. So far no I see no other alternatives to the R and D. And it seems right now the R will be trump, who will not get my vote under (almost)any circumstance.
I dont see anyone taking the nomination from biden. It's certainly possible but i'll need to see it happen.
So as of right now those are my two choices, two old perverts.
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It's gotten worse now with social media and 24 hour news that runs in 15 minute cycles. And their only incentive for doing that is money. And we all know you get more ratings (money) by feeding the people what they want to hear. And people have a tendency to believe what they see on their favorite news channel.
Thing is, we all know that's a problem- the fringe elements of society- that much we can agree with. But that's where it stops because in spite of any level of disagreement on the problem, each side blames the other side for this problem. Honestly i think they just like that half of us disagree with the other half- which is one reason why a two party system sucks. you need only blame and talk down one side to win.
i see no issue with hardlining on a specific issue like abortion or guns or whatever. it's a hardline on the entire idealogy that i dont like. everyone has opinons on issues, even hard ones, even me, despite not being a member of any party. it's just that many on the right hardline on every issue that the republican leadership is on, and the same with the hardliners on the left. people should think for themselves, and not align their beliefs with the party, but with what you think is right.
Here's the thing- anyone can leave if they dont like it. I travel extensively around the planet, about 40 countries now. I've seen it all, communism, socialism, dictatorship, monarchy, democracy. Ive seen how people live in the rest of the world, and how people feel about things. And i still keep coming back to the US, it's better here, substantially, for many reasons. nobody is leaving. they know how good we have it, in spite of the political climate. nobody left when trump won in 2016 and nobody left when biden won in 2020, despite all the promises celebrities made about moving to canada.
I dont mean this in a negative light on you, but if i didnt talk to people like you on the internet, i would have no idea that there would be a need for a national divorce. I've heard it a few times but mostly from people on the far, far right. I haven even heard some nutty far left freak even go so far as to say that. and they are absolute lunatics.
i dont have these bickering arguments with people in real life, it's all on the internet where people say things they'd neve say in real life. many of them being angered because of something they saw on fox or cnn. I dont watch any of that so i dont have this sentiment that everyone is mad at eachother or that there's a civli war coming or a need for a separation.
If i wanted to get angry at my fellow countrymen, politicians, and about the direction of my country, i'll start watching cnn, fox, msnbc and newsmax. but it's football season, so , no. who knows, maybe if you avoided all that stuff too, you'd be happy just living your life too. I understand that some people need to be told to be angry. not you specifically, but some folks in general. they'll get angry if someone they trust is saying something that is supposed to anger them (maybe make them tune in to that person's show next week or the following night). I tyhink there's Incentive$ for these folks to rile up the proletariats.
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The last paragraph explains so much. You assume that people are incapable of seeing our country deteriorate without a talking head telling us so. Willingly distracted so that you can ignore the reality. Most people that interact with do not watch fox or the major news channels in general. You need to believe that we do, and that we are being told to be angry, so that you can continue to live life happily and sweep everything away as a misunderstanding.
Hardlines:
Secure the border and deport illegals
Energy independence.
Manufacturing brought back to the US
No more endless wars. Period.
No such thing as hate speech
2a. Shall not be infringed
Stop the money being sent/laundered overseas.
Shouldn't all Americans agree on the above? Who campaigns on these ideals?
Politicians are the problem. I do not care how many times Trump has been married. I do not care that he has an ego. I do not care if he is mean. He does not restrict himself with political correctness. He does not need lobbyists. He is not a politician.
Hardlines:
Secure the border and deport illegals
Energy independence.
Manufacturing brought back to the US
No more endless wars. Period.
No such thing as hate speech
2a. Shall not be infringed
Stop the money being sent/laundered overseas.
Shouldn't all Americans agree on the above? Who campaigns on these ideals?
Politicians are the problem. I do not care how many times Trump has been married. I do not care that he has an ego. I do not care if he is mean. He does not restrict himself with political correctness. He does not need lobbyists. He is not a politician.
It's the people who own the currency who are our real enemies. Our currency is created through corporate loans. Once upon a time, our currency had to be mined so there was little to no manipulation by the people who currently print dollars out of thin air. Did you know that our banking institutions print "dollars" and lend them out at interest? If that's not the definition of slavery, I don't think one exists. End the Fed and many many problems go away. Cap interest at 1% and watch people prosper. The Fed steals your labor through inflation (printing). When they print, the value of your held dollars decreases plus they require businesses to pay usury lending rates which are passed on through low wages and higher prices.
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---the best argument against democracy is a five minute conversation with the average voter......
Sir Winston Churchill
Sir Winston Churchill
First-
It's in the interest of the politicians to keep us at each other's throats. It keeps us distracted and less critical of them.
It's in the interest of politicians NOT to resolve issues.
Allow me to explain:
If all of the sudden, a concrete deal was reached about immigration- those that were pro-immigrant and those that were anit- would simply stop donating money to the cause. If the issue is permanently resolved, what's the need to donate money towards the outcome?
Now apply that to gun control.
Now apply that to abortion.
Now apply it to any long time lingering argument that both sides spend billions on in donations.
If the problem is solved then those donations dry up. It's in their interest to NOT solve them. That's a usurping government.
I’m saying people think that the country is deteriorating and turning into Sudan or whatever because they’re being feared into it by whatever TV channel they are watching. It’s not real life. It’s sensationalism for ratings.
I Ignore most of what most politicians say. Because most of them are saying what they are saying with intent to get someone’s vote.
So I am gleefully ignorant of that fact, that politicians are benefiting from us being at each other’s throats. I’m not anyone’s throat. Mostly because I guess I don’t watch enough TV news to be angry and frustrated about the way things are going. My life is kicking ass right now. So I guess I don’t have any reason to fight and be angry and be at anyone else’s throat. If someone views things differently than me, that’s not my problem, that’s their problem.
I just mind my business, go to work, pay my bills, take care of me and mine, and generally just do whatever the hell I want.
I’ve been able to do this when the country was run by Democrats, when it was run by Republicans, and when it was run by two of the most inept presidents we’ve ever had. I’ve always been able to do me.
But if anger needs to be had, I’ll let you do it for me. I’m sure you’ve got room. I’ll just continue living my life and enjoying doing whatever the hell I want while other people go to protests and rallies.
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I'll admit that I kind of admire your attitude. To a degree. So when paying your bills -- are you ok when those bills go up? Or whenever you are not able to do whatever the hell you want because money is running a little short? And when you peel back the layers you can see that the inflation is a direct result of out of control government spending? BTW - I think for myself and figured this out. No one can possibly think that a $31 trillion debt is a good idea, or be happy that the government poured trillions onto the inflation fire with the "Inflation Reduction Act."
Many costs always go up, that's inflation, that's the nature of economics, and I accept it as a cost of living in the first world. I'm German, and as a kid going between Germany and the US, I noticed the same thing existed EU and North America- prices would sometimes go up on goods/services.
I live within my means so I usually dont run short on funds, but if i do need more money, I live in such a way that i can generate more income when needed.
We all know the factors that lead to inflation. I dont care to play the blame game, i'm not political enough to care, this phenomenon has been around for my whole life.
But If you want someone to blame, start with Bush in 2000. He inherited 5.8T of debt and doubled it to 12T. Obama added 8T in 8 years and trunp added 8T in 4 years and now old man biden has added 4T so far in nearly 3 years. Then we talk about the congress who passed legislation allowing our debt to continue to mount. We can blame potus for signing it, the congress for authorizing it, the judiciary for allowing it as constitutional. We could even blame the people who gave these people power, and of course the fact that most of these folks enjoy a 90% re-election rate, thusly implying that we are in full approval of their actions despite the low approval ratings congress has.
Putting all this in perspective, it sure sounds nice when clinton and hwBush only added 3T combined over 12 years. Compared to the 20T added in less than 7 years under trump and biden.
So if we look at that and we still have folks who blame one side of the aisle, they are jsut being intellectually dishonest. both parties suck. they both find it easy to spend other peoples' money.
Of course we could get more nuanced and talk about debt as a percentage of GDP, but if we get into those weeds, it gets even murkier and more depressing.
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Ah, German. Now it all makes sense.
6 political parties and a desire to not see one party rise with too much power.
I totally get it now.
Wenn sie das gespräch mit der Tatsache beginnen, dass sie Deutscher sind, wäre die anreise zu unserem aktuellen ziel weniger beschwerlich gewesen.
I was just on Alsace for Christmas- I went across the Rhine to Offenburg for an authentic plate of Hackbraten and Spätzle... and I noticed something.
The German ppl are still (after all these years) guilt riddled about what happened 80 years ago. I'm German. My Grandfather came over from the Fatherland while still in his mother's womb. I've probably spent (in total) close to a year of my life in Germany. I watched (and learned) as a teenager about the German ppl making recompense for what happened. As I grew up, I expected the new generation to start letting go of the past. Moving forward.
Nope.
I'm in my 40s now and I STILL see youth in Germany making apologies for something they had no part in. No involvement whatsoever.
It's a very unique cultural trait and the dynamics of German politics are very nuanced. Except when it comes to football and France, (the one subject where all Germans unite).
Scheiß auf die Franzosen
6 political parties and a desire to not see one party rise with too much power.
I totally get it now.
Wenn sie das gespräch mit der Tatsache beginnen, dass sie Deutscher sind, wäre die anreise zu unserem aktuellen ziel weniger beschwerlich gewesen.
I was just on Alsace for Christmas- I went across the Rhine to Offenburg for an authentic plate of Hackbraten and Spätzle... and I noticed something.
The German ppl are still (after all these years) guilt riddled about what happened 80 years ago. I'm German. My Grandfather came over from the Fatherland while still in his mother's womb. I've probably spent (in total) close to a year of my life in Germany. I watched (and learned) as a teenager about the German ppl making recompense for what happened. As I grew up, I expected the new generation to start letting go of the past. Moving forward.
Nope.
I'm in my 40s now and I STILL see youth in Germany making apologies for something they had no part in. No involvement whatsoever.
It's a very unique cultural trait and the dynamics of German politics are very nuanced. Except when it comes to football and France, (the one subject where all Germans unite).
Scheiß auf die Franzosen
Now you've insulted me.
a. We have not had inflation greater than 3% since 2011.
b. We have not had inflation greater than 4% since 1990.
c. It crossed the 9% barrier under Biden. Why? Do you think the "inflation reduction act" was good for inflation? What happened to transitory?
If you are looking for common ground, then we can agree that having a $31 trillion deficit is insane, and both sides are at fault. Absent a war, there is never a reason to spend more than you bring in - your "nuance" of "debt as a percentage of GDP" is great for the beltway cocktail circuit, but insane in the real world. This flare up is squarely on Biden and his insane spending policies.
That’s a really bizarre response to knowing where I’m from originally. I am German indeed, but I am not Germany.
Do you know what I mean when I say that?
It means you need not apply every German stereotype to me.
Else I might assume that since you are American, you speak only one language, you’re probably obese, and have thousands of dollars in unpaid credit card debt that’s costing you hundreds of dollars per month in interest fees. I might presume that you are only weeks away from your first heart attack or divorce. I might think that you carry a gun everywhere with you, and that you were likely xenophobic and don’t possess a passport. It would be easy to assume that since you are on a tx site youre from Texas, you are probably a conservative , a trump voter, a redneck and maybe you live in a trailer, and potentially lay hands on your sister wife from time to time when you’re drunk. Or maybe you’re from Austin, and you’re a naughty liberal who likes to watch his wife get banged by a transgender
But I wouldn’t do that because I don’t make generalizations about people based on where they are from, and I usually aren’t quite accurate.
But really that has nothing to do with my politics.
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*chuckle* Well---- the part about being a Texan by birth and yes, I am guilty of redneck tendencies from time to time, and carrying a gun on me everywhere is true. BUT, the rest of those characterizations are a tad hyperbolic....
And, let's be honest- stereotypes exist for a reason. We have people here that probably did live in a trailer park at some point in their life. And my family does own cattle and oil wells too. (Texas stereotype in Germany)
I do wear ostrich and alligator boots dang near every day. But around the house I wear Birkenstocks like a good Austin hippie should.
Where we grew up has a definite impact on who we are, how we learn, and the values we develop. It's a cultural rudder that follows us for a lifetime. You obviously speak at least two languages- and depending on the area of Germany that you grew up in- you could speak 3 or 4. That's not a stereotype, that's just understanding the cultural make-up of that country. I know Alsatian speaking Germans, as well as Alsatian speaking French......why? Because they grew up near that area.
So..... no doubt you are not "Germany", BUT---being from Germany still had an impact on who you are now.
And while my intent was not to lump you into the schnitzel loving, lederhosen wearing, beer swilling, (I fvcking love German beer), polka dancing, Krampus fearing, Hänsul und Gretel reading Germans---- whether you admit it or not, being from Germany has shaped your political perspective differently than most Americans.
verstehen?
I gotta say most of your posts reek of “look at me” and how non binary you are. Or do the youngsters call that virtue signaling today? But if your tag has anything to do who you are just smoke another bowl and relax. You seem to be taking life way too seriously. Basically you’re being a buzz kill.
I understand your words
But it doesn’t mean I agree with that sentiment. Influence may vary. People from all political persuasions come from Germany. I don’t think the political leanings that I’ve expressed would make more sense because of being German though. That’s more a me thing
I think-- and you can say I'm incorrect- that because you are from Germany, you have a different perspective of what it means to come from a nation where 6 political parties must learn to compromise more than 2 parties would have to.
While people from all political persuasions come from Germany- they also come from the United States as well.
The difference is, in Germany you have 5 or 6 major political parties, and several minor parties, that you can affiliate with.
Here-- we truly only have 2.
Yes-- this is unfortunate in many ways. Especially because of the media.
In Germany, the media attempts to give equal footing to most of the political parties. In the United States- the media is either left or right. There's no room for middle ground parties. If a party attempts to arise from the middle- it is quickly cut down by BOTH sides of the media.
You learned to hear about multiple points of perspective. We learned to hear about 2. You learned about nuance. We learned about black or white. You learned about compromise. We learned about dominance.
This is why I said "Oh..... you're from Germany". Not as an insult.... far from it.
Instead it was a way of saying to you "I am familiar with your people. I am familiar with your country. I am familiar with your political system. And I know you come from a very nuanced place that surely had an impact on you as a person."
For you to take that as me trying to "stereotype" you....... well, perhaps I'm not the one trying to stereotype the "stupid American"..................
Arrest them.
War tribunals
Find them guilty
Line them up against a wall
Canoe their heads
Bury them in unmarked graves
Send their families the bill for the bullet
The Christmas market on the Haupstrasse in Heidelberg was fantastic every year. Stop in to the Bier Brezel for a bite to eat and a couple pints of pilz. Effing delish. However, the Zum Roten Ochsen provided more of an old world German vibe if that’s your preference. The German and Belgian beers ruined my taste for all domestic beers and I’m ok with that.
Be careful Jasper. You're treading dangerously close to the "cultural appropriation" zone. You're going to have the $9.95ers down here on the warpath again.
The domestic “craft” beers are good. But the likes of bud, bud light, coors, Miller, etc, yes, are water. Yeah, I’m a beer snob, just no long beard on my chin.
I dont pay attention to German politics, I moved to the US when i was a teenager. I've only ever voted in American elections. Now when i visit, i dont pay attention to anything other than my visit. I dont watch DW, or pay attention to what's happening outside of friends and family. I'm barely fascinated by politics in the US
I know about perspective and nuance because that's who I am, i know Germans who are very black & white about issues. We have crazies and gun nuts and people who have secret bunkers
If the Americans can learn anything from Germans is that compromise and perspective is a good thing, that 'the other side' is not the enemy, and that one side does not have a monopoly on good ideas.
Your last paragraph--
If the Americans can learn anything from Germans is that compromise and perspective is a good thing, that 'the other side' is not the enemy, and that one side does not have a monopoly on good ideas.
There. Right there you've done something incredible- you've driven nail home flush to the board- whilst simultaneously missing it completely.
"How's it possible to drive a nail in without actually hitting it?"--- THAT is an interesting feat.
We SHOULD learn to compromise. But-- one side feels as though it can't compromise. Not that they wouldn't-- just that they can't.
You can't negotiate with a Tiger when your head is in its mouth <--- Winston Churchill (but you knew this)
You have an "active" side of the political isle (the left) and you have a "reactive" side (the right).
The reactive side would do little to nothing about politics were it not for them being spurned to do so by the "active" side.
Don't believe me?
Who wants to change things more in this country? The left or the right?
The right wants to be left the fvck alone.
"Leave me alone. Stay out of my house. Stay off my lawn. Stay away from my kids. Leave my SUV alone. Let me eat my steak. Let me have my guns(responsibly). Let me talk to Jesus. I'll pay my taxes and leave you alone, just leave me alone."
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ That is the overwhelming majority of the people that call themselves conservatives.
And if they'd been left the fvck alone, they wouldn't have RE-acted.
But now, slowly, throw taxes, laws, elections, protests, government regulations, media pressures, social media doxxing, and general assholiness- people have managed to upset their apple cart.
My guns have never hurt anyone. They can't sprout legs and run off and shoot people. So leave me out of the debate. You can't regulate me. I've done nothing wrong. Yet, here they come. (Or try)
We are a nation of laws. Entry into this nation requires adhering to those laws. But some administrations look the other way. And the drugs and poor people and government aid keep going up and up. And, here they come for more of MY money in the form of taxes.
We spent 20 years pouring trillions into 2 wars that cost us blood and treasure. We learned our lesson. Yet, here we go spending billions more on a border dispute to protect another nation's border, and we can't protect our own.
I'm being told I'm taking away the rights of LGBTQ ppl when 30 years ago, Clinton wouldn't let them get married. But they're coming after me because...... apparently I've wronged them somehow.
They want me to pay more taxes on my gas and oil, eat less meat and stop drinking from straws because.... China sure as heck isn't listening to them?
They demanded I stick something in my body that had a 50/50 chance of working, then tried to get my company canceled when I told them to fvck off.
Compromise indeed.
Yes--- Americans should learn to compromise. Butbin order to do so, you must have 2 parties that agree that good ideas can come from BOTH sides.
Right now we only have 1 side that is coming up with new ideas. And they THINK their ideas are best....... and everyone else's ideas are sh!t.
You can guess which side....
