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Kill it with fire. If only to give this shill something different to troll about
After Nebraska, Colorado, Mizzou and aggy left the conference I was all about expansion (ND, FL St, GTech, Clemson, Miami, etc) but the BIG12 sat on their hands while the world of expansion passed them by.
They would have been able to renegotiate those deals (just like SEC did with Aggy and mizzou) if they had added a ND or Fl St level team. Even if you are right, the BIG12 screwed up by taking a deal like that. The point is the BIG12 missed their chances to expand.That's not actually true. The Big 12 didn't sit around and do nothing. They weren't able to make a play for any of those teams because of the TV contract. Boren and Bowlsby both mentioned this in those comments a few weeks ago. The Big 12 TV contract has a cap on it, whereby the contract only increases enough to keep the payouts the same when new teams are added. (In other words, if the TV contract pays out $20 million per team now, it would still payout $20 million per team after expansion.) The problem with that is, schools already in a P5 league would end up making about the same as they do now, so they would have no real incentive to join.
You think Baylor, TCU, Tech, WVU, and OK State would be ok? Where do you think they would land? I would think many of them would be in trouble.I don't think the Big 12 will be around too much longer. The one's who have the most to worry about being potentially left out in the cold are Iowa State and Kansas State. Something's got to give either by some solid additions to the conference, or the big fish leaving and going to another conference.
Keep hope alive, aggy.You think Baylor, TCU, Tech, WVU, and OK State would be ok? Where do you think they would land? I would think many of them would be in trouble.
Not sure what you mean. If Texas and Oklahoma decide to move on they will, politics will be worked out. I just don't see folks lining up for Baylor, Tech, TCU etc.. The only way I see them finding a home is riding Texas's coattails. Why would Texas waste any leverage to help those guys? Maybe they would, I don't know.Keep hope alive, aggy.
You think Baylor, TCU, Tech, WVU, and OK State would be ok? Where do you think they would land? I would think many of them would be in trouble.
Thanks for the reply.They very well could be in trouble as well.
It means TCU and Baylor are better than you on the football field as well as beating you currently in recruiting so it's for these reasons you're probably hoping for them to become irrelevant. Pretty straightforward.Not sure what you mean.
You are pretty close to right. I'd prefer the Big12 stay around. But if it dies I don't want Baylor to land on their feet (not a fan of Baylor). I have no hope of you guys not being ok in the end. You will be fine either way.It means TCU and Baylor are better than you on the football field as well as beating you currently in recruiting so it's for these reasons you're probably hoping for them to become irrelevant. Pretty straightforward.
What I don't get is why you aggys still think you can act superior to either Baylor or TCU. TCU is better in football as well as baseball than you despite you derisively calling them "purple Baylor" or whatever gay name you people have come up with. They're better than you in the major sports and they're in a big market. I think they're attractive as a program. It's obvious your bias won't allow you to.I just wondered if someone who might know more than me thought Baylor, Tech and TCU could survive as major programs. I don't see how they could get invitations on their own.
I can understand Aggies hatred of Baylor. Worse in football. Worse in basketball (I'm still hung up on ZERO offensive rebounds last winter). Worse stadium. Downwind on the Brazos. When Baylor wins the national title this year (17 starters returning), they'll be looked at as the new "U" and will have plenty of suitors. Look at how the 2017 class (that's right, 2017) is shaping up. Reloading.You are pretty close to right. I'd prefer the Big12 stay around. But if it dies I don't want Baylor to land on their feet (not a fan of Baylor). I have no hope of you guys not being ok in the end. You will be fine either way.
I just wondered if someone who might know more than me thought Baylor, Tech and TCU could survive as major programs. I don't see how they could get invitations on their own. I was really wondering if Texas would throw them a lifeline. I didn't think so, as adding teams you don't want would devalue adding Texas to a new conference. But again, I don't pretend to know how this will play out.
They are also better than you guys right now. But I don't believe anyone thinks they are more attractive to another conference than you guys (or us). I think they have good football teams today, but little appeal to a confernce. I guess we just disagree on what conferences are looking to add. Maybe you are right, but I think it is all about $. I saw countless posts about how great it would be to add Notre Dame to the Big12. I don't think it is because they are the best team in the world, it is all about the money and name recognition they bring. If it was all about the current team on the field no one would be begging Notre Dame to join their conference. The Big12 would be more worried about Baylor and TCU leaving than Oklahoma. I don't think anyone is worried about them leaving, unless they have no choice.What I don't get is why you aggys still think you can act superior to either Baylor or TCU. TCU is better in football as well as baseball than you despite you derisively calling them "purple Baylor" or whatever gay name you people have come up with. They're better than you in the major sports and they're in a big market. I think they're attractive as a program. It's obvious your bias won't allow you to.
I hate them because they wanted to sue us when we left the conference. They feared realignment and what it meant for them. Pretty obvious they know where they would land. If all this Big12 implosion talk continues, that 2017 class will also implode. Don't hate TCU and they are better than anyone in the state.I can understand Aggies hatred of Baylor. Worse in football. Worse in basketball (I'm still hung up on ZERO offensive rebounds last winter). Worse stadium. Downwind on the Brazos. When Baylor wins the national title this year (17 starters returning), they'll be looked at as the new "U" and will have plenty of suitors. Look at how the 2017 class (that's right, 2017) is shaping up. Reloading.
They would have been able to renegotiate those deals (just like SEC did with Aggy and mizzou) if they had added a ND or Fl St level team. Even if you are right, the BIG12 screwed up by taking a deal like that. The point is the BIG12 missed their chances to expand.
Deloss was following his own dream of having ND in the BIG12 and ND played him and then went to the ACC as a partial member.
The new Big 12 TV deal is expected to be announced any day, perhaps here this week as a celebration of the league's new-found strength. Within that deal is a clause that will give any new expansion candidates the same money as the current members (estimated to be at least $20 million per year).
One industry source said that number applies whether the Big 12 invites, "Appalachian State or Florida State." And according to another industry source, ESPN wouldn't stand in the way of Big 12 expansion even after negotiating a new deal with the ACC.
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...n-and-feeling-its-oats-sitting-at-10-12-or-14
"The contract says that our main television contract ... if we grow from 10 to 11 or 11 to 12, their payments to us grow proportionally," Boren said. "So everybody's share stays the same. If it's 'X' dollars, it stays 'X' dollars."
http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoo...g-12-now-is-the-time-to-invest-in-your-sports
Thus my previous comment of "Keep hope alive, aggy". Still feigning ignorance on that one? lulz.If all this Big12 implosion talk continues, that [Baylor] 2017 class will also implode...