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2016 Season Running Thread

Not a bad idea. I'd like to see Swoopes in more than just short yardage, though. I'd play to his strengths, including packaged runs and an occasional long ball. For that to work, though, you can't be so predictable about it.

Would like to see Kai switch positions, or transfer (again), unless somehow his attitude has dramatically improved. You can't have malcontents.

I agree that we were VERY predictable in the 18 wheeler package. We can definitely mix it up more there, and be way more effective. They would run the same run sometimes 3 plays in a row. And when you were begging for them to mix it up with a play action pass, they'd wait 10 more plays to do it. They need to run more plays out of it. And it could be very useful.
 
I agree that we were VERY predictable in the 18 wheeler package. We can definitely mix it up more there, and be way more effective. They would run the same run sometimes 3 plays in a row. And when you were begging for them to mix it up with a play action pass, they'd wait 10 more plays to do it. They need to run more plays out of it. And it could be very useful.
Didn't Swoopes throw a TD pass in RRR after rushing for a couple of TD's?
 
Didn't Swoopes throw a TD pass in RRR after rushing for a couple of TD's?

Not quite. But close.

Went 1 for 1 for a 2 yd TD pass. And ran 4 for 14 yds and 1 TD.


And this one time at band camp..........


I think he actually completed a pass out of 18 wheeler package vs BU. But he also got stonewalled on the 7 previous short yds and late downs and we were forced to punt. Wish we would have mixed in a pass or 2 there since BU was selling out to stop the obvious run. I mean props for doing something like twice during the year, I guess. But it should happen once or twice a game....at least. To keep the D honest.
 
Not quite. But close.

Went 1 for 1 for a 2 yd TD pass. And ran 4 for 14 yds and 1 TD.


And this one time at band camp..........


I think he actually completed a pass out of 18 wheeler package vs BU. But he also got stonewalled on the 7 previous short yds and late downs and we were forced to punt. Wish we would have mixed in a pass or 2 there since BU was selling out to stop the obvious run. I mean props for doing something like twice during the year, I guess. But it should happen once or twice a game....at least. To keep the D honest.
throws out of that package were a novelty, but they have to be, because Swoopes is very inaccurate. the TD pass was a Tebow-esq jump pass to a wide open receiver. I'm not sure I want them bringing in Swoopes and letting him pass much. His package needs to be similar to the Belldozer.
 
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Not quite. But close.

Went 1 for 1 for a 2 yd TD pass. And ran 4 for 14 yds and 1 TD.


And this one time at band camp..........


I think he actually completed a pass out of 18 wheeler package vs BU. But he also got stonewalled on the 7 previous short yds and late downs and we were forced to punt. Wish we would have mixed in a pass or 2 there since BU was selling out to stop the obvious run. I mean props for doing something like twice during the year, I guess. But it should happen once or twice a game....at least. To keep the D honest.
Actually, I was agreeing with you ---- when Swoopes went in against OU (and even against BU) it was SO predictable. Those two passes were WIDE open because of the predictability. I believe his one big hit against BU was the first possession play action to the TE. They should mix in a play action more than twice a year.
 
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throws out of that package were a novelty, but they have to be, because Swoopes is very inaccurate. the TD pass was a Tebow-esq jump pass to a wide open receiver. I'm not sure I want them bringing in Swoopes and letting him pass much. His package needs to be similar to the Belldozer.

He is still a freaking QB. If he can't complete a wide open 2 yd pass.....he needs to play another position.

I think you have to run it more often than not. But every once in a while we need to mix in other players. Hell a different designed run once in a while. They often run the same play, 3 times in a row in this set....all to get 2 yds in the end. Slipping a TE or H-back out in to a pass play isn't that difficult. Hell they can run counters or pitch tosses out wide with the RB on occasion to fool the D.
 
He is still a freaking QB. If he can't complete a wide open 2 yd pass.....he needs to play another position.

I think you have to run it more often than not. But every once in a while we need to mix in other players. Hell a different designed run once in a while. They often run the same play, 3 times in a row in this set....all to get 2 yds in the end. Slipping a TE or H-back out in to a pass play isn't that difficult. Hell they can run counters or pitch tosses out wide with the RB on occasion to fool the D.
I don't know what to say, but if they take snaps away from Buchele in short yardage to let Swoopes pass it and he misses an easy conversion and they have to punt the ball away...well, you see the problem there. Swoopes is a below 50% completion guy, whether he throws 10 times this season or 50.
 
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The 18wheeler package isn't about surprising the defense. It's about execution and delivering body blows to the defense. Besides Swoopes isn't a QB. Touch on the ball is one of his biggest struggles, so him trying to place balls over defenders accurately isn't something I want to see a lot of. The only reason he is a QB on the depth chart is because we have no one else to put out there.

I wouldn't have mind seeing a few more passes out of that formation last year when we had no legit passing options on the roster, but I don't want to see him taking away passing attempts from a healthy Buechele.
 
I don't know what to say, but if they take snaps away from Buchele in short yardage to let Swoopes pass it and he misses an easy conversion and they have to punt the ball away...well, you see the problem there. Swoopes is a below 50% completion guy, whether he throws 10 times this season or 50.

I am talking about at the goalline. Where the D is stacked up already. And it is much harder to find windows to pass. That's mostly when we run the 18 wheeler package.

And last year passing out of the 18 wheeler, Swoopes was like 2 for 2. Which is way better than 50%. It is because the D isn't expecting it, which makes him a more effective passer. As for the running part, I'd say him or either of our big backs should be capable of getting 2 yds in a handful of runs. Which is essentially what he does. It is the surprise play and the passes to me that make this package extra useful.

Otherwise just line up in a goalline set and let Foreman or Warren batter the opposing DL just like Swoopes does.
 
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I'm not saying on 3rd and 3 from the midfield we go to that package just to pass. If that is the case and you need to pass, sure you lineup with Buechele and spread em out and throw the ball.

I am saying that you turn on the tape of the 18 wheeler package. Early in the year it surprised the D and was somewhat effective. But we essentially ran the same QB power run play from it EVERY time. To the point that every D knew what was coming and it was far less effective as the season rolled on. We have to have more variations on it.
 
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If the OL takes a step forward like we are expecting. Between Foreman, Warren, and Swoopes goal line passing shouldn't be necessary, but I get your point.
 
I'm not saying on 3rd and 3 from the midfield we go to that package just to pass. If that is the case and you need to pass, sure you lineup with Buechele and spread em out and throw the ball.

I am saying that you turn on the tape of the 18 wheeler package. Early in the year it surprised the D and was somewhat effective. But we essentially ran the same QB power run play from it EVERY time. To the point that every D knew what was coming and it was far less effective as the season rolled on. We have to have more variations on it.
yea basically what Bell's role was at OU. Goal line only. If they had to prepare to defend a run with Swoopes, Foreman and/or Warren standing in the backfield, it would likely leave all receivers in one on one coverage. I would still like the passes to be few and far between though. Just enough to keep them honest.
 
My question is, will the 18 wheeler be as effective without Norvell here to coach it? I was amazed at how consistently effective that package was, no matter how many times we did it, and with every opponent knowing exactly what was coming. Don't underestimate the impact Norvell had on that. He made it work with the Belldozer, then came here and did the exact same thing. He obviously knew how to coach it to perfect execution. Where it didn't matter that they knew it was coming, it was gonna work. Hope we can continue that.
 
Does anyone remember that Colt and Vince were redshirted. If they were that good what was the reason for that?Everyone wants to jump on board with an 18 year old kid who may or may not be ready and have you given him enough time to learn the position.Ok,we do not have any options,really.I hope Shane does well since he is from my hometown but I would not like the complaints if he does not since history states the great majority of QB's need more time to develop.
 
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Ok, so to boil this down, you are convinced that Strong and Giblert intend to start Buchele but want the back ups to work hard. I am not convinced of this.
See above when someone said "Swoopes is Strong's Haines", and where someone else discussed starting an 18 year old. I think Strong is very hesitant with Buchele and I think his words are evidence of that. I hope I am wrong, and I hope he sees that starting Swoopes is more of a risk than starting Buchele. If nothing else maybe all the hype around Buchele won't leave him much of a choice.

I'm going with the view of people most plugged into the program rather than my own speculative worries and related uninformed parsing of coachspeak.

You could also note that Buechele threw the ball 41 times to Swoopes' 16 in the spring game while you're trying to read the tea leaves.
 
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Does anyone remember that Colt and Vince were redshirted. If they were that good what was the reason for that?Everyone wants to jump on board with an 18 year old kid who may or may not be ready and have you given him enough time to learn the position.Ok,we do not have any options,really.I hope Shane does well since he is from my hometown but I would not like the complaints if he does not since history states the great majority of QB's need more time to develop.

I think most would be patient with Shane's adjustment period. It's not ideal to start (or play) a true FR, but when he's already kicking the ass of every other QB on your roster, you don't have much choice.
 
When Vince redshirted we had Chris Simms. No need to rush him in. When Colt redshirted we had Vince.

Speaking of Simms, a lot of people sure dogged that guy. Bet everybody wishes we could've had him around here lately.
 
sure I wish we had had Simms these last 3 years.....but I dogged him when he was here. Not because he wasn't good, but because I thought he should have not been given the job over Major because Mack caved in
 
I liked both of them, both were damn good QBs. Simms was just a little better. Even Major said Simms was better. Mack caved after watching Major look completely helpless against OU.
 
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I liked both of them, both were damn good QBs. Simms was just a little better. Even Major said Simms was better. Mack caved after watching Major look completely helpless against OU.

Neither could take us to the next level, but both were good QBs. Both were part of some OU embarrassments. This QB drought really puts things in perspective. I would take either in a heartbeat.
 
Comparisons to any other QB redshirting, asking which teams have been successful with a true frosh QB, etc etc, all need to be put in context, and the context is this: We have no other viable option. No one wants to be in this position, but Texas is in this position. With Swoopes we are no better than a 5 win team. Heard not much better. If anything, Buchele is just a shot at being decent rather than a guarantee of being bad. Every concern about him is valid, but its irrelevant, because its him or bust.
 
Does anyone remember that Colt and Vince were redshirted. If they were that good what was the reason for that?Everyone wants to jump on board with an 18 year old kid who may or may not be ready and have you given him enough time to learn the position.Ok,we do not have any options,really.I hope Shane does well since he is from my hometown but I would not like the complaints if he does not since history states the great majority of QB's need more time to develop.

We had the luxury of red-shirting Vince because we had Simms as a senior. We had the luxury of red shirting Colt because we had Vince.

There is no luxury for Shane, we need him, or should I say Charlie needs Shane. Another season like last year and Charlie will be gone.
 
If any of Swoopes, Heard, Locksley, or Merrick could play we would probably be redshirting Shane without question.

I think people think of a redshirt as more than it is. It's not a magic year where they learn so much that it makes or breaks your future. It preserves eligibility for someone who wouldn't get any PT due to the current depth chart, and serves as an easier transition from HS to college mentally because you take the element of possible PT out of the equation. That means scout team practice reps. It's basically film work and weight room. Now that can help some players transition and mean little to others other than not using eligibility.
 
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My question is, will the 18 wheeler be as effective without Norvell here to coach it? I was amazed at how consistently effective that package was, no matter how many times we did it, and with every opponent knowing exactly what was coming. Don't underestimate the impact Norvell had on that. He made it work with the Belldozer, then came here and did the exact same thing. He obviously knew how to coach it to perfect execution. Where it didn't matter that they knew it was coming, it was gonna work. Hope we can continue that.

I don't think that will be a problem at all.

The coaches did a decent job of installing it. And the same players are here to run the same package. Hopefully this new staff can put a few variations on it.

And I don't think it was wildly effective anyway last year. Sometimes we ran the same play 3 times in a row just to get the 2 yd TD we needed. You could pretty much run any run play 3 times and should be able to get 2 yds.
 
Simms absolutely torched the aggys. Just abused them every time. I think he had 1,000+ yds against them in 3 games.


I was just thinking that earlier after I posted that. I can't remember any QB, not Vince, not Colt, nobody has thoroughly dominated aggy like Chris did.

Like BBR pointed out, it makes their ridiculing of him even funnier. "Chrissy" ripped them to shreds every time. lol.
 
Looked up Simms starts vs aggy. 3 wins

2000 16-24, 383 yards 3TDs 0 INTs
2001 16-33, 138 yards 0TDs 0 INTs
2002 16-24, 278 yards 3TDs 0 INTs

He didn't do too good in 99. I believe Applewhite got hurt early.

1999 10-21, 130 yards 0 TDs 1 INT

It was a different world back then. Teams would get about 60-65 offensive snaps a game and QBs were asked to throw a higher percentage of throws down the field.
 
Looked up Simms starts vs aggy. 3 wins

2000 16-24, 383 yards 3TDs 0 INTs
2001 16-33, 138 yards 0TDs 0 INTs
2002 16-24, 278 yards 3TDs 0 INTs

He didn't do too good in 99. I believe Applewhite got hurt early.

1999 10-21, 130 yards 0 TDs 1 INT

It was a different world back then. Teams would get about 60-65 offensive snaps a game and QBs were asked to throw a higher percentage of throws down the field.

99 was the year of the bonfire, and the year Major ordered room service and got food poisoning.
 
Texas freshman quarterback Shane Buechele is doing everything the right way.

I know it may sound like a cliché, a desperate play on words, or possibly an understatement. No matter how you want to characterize the conservation about Buechele, it is important to know this young man does not resemble a freshman right now. Instead, Buechele resembles an upperclassman who is not satisfied with the status quo.

The initial hope was for Buechele to be competitive during the spring, show improvement, and be in the mix for playing time later this season. As everyone knows, Buechele exceeded those expectations. He did not perform like a nervous freshman this spring, but resembled a player capable of taking the first snap against Notre Dame. His performance in the spring game was the final piece proof most Longhorn fans – and coaches - needed to give Buechele a vote of confidence.

However, Buechele’s determination to lead the team did not end after the rain-shortened spring game.

From what I have been told, Buechele is blowing away everyone in the program – again – by demonstrating his leadership qualities during the offseason. Instead of being content with his spring performance, Buechele continues to grind away like the gym rat he is and is actually organizing informal workouts with his teammates in an effort to improve.

For those who follow college football, a quarterback organizing informal workouts is nothing new. In fact, it can be categorized as a rite of passage. Quarterbacks are expected to show their leadership qualities by gathering teammates together to practice during the offseason. On the surface, it may not appear that Buechele is not doing anything special.

Here are the reasons why you should be impressed.

When quarterbacks traditional organize informal workouts, those exercises traditionally do not occur until the summer. Once the spring game is over, guys lay low as they prepare for finals. After finals, players begin team workouts before fading into summertime mood. Quarterbacks often attempt to organize workouts with teammates before fall camp.

Yet, Buechele is about a month ahead of the offseason workout schedule.

From what I was told, Buechele and freshman receiver Collin Johnson work together to gather teammates to workout throughout the week. Whenever teammates discover the workouts are taking place, a number of players decide to join them. As a result of that initiative, players are now looking at Buecehle to organize these workouts.

In addition, I was told Buechele is the only quarterback currently organizing workouts.

The other impressive aspect about these workouts is they are being organized by a true freshman. One source told me, “I’ve never seen a freshman do something like this.” To say everyone in the program is thrilled about Buechele’s assertiveness would be an understatement.

If Buechele continues at this pace, he will make it easier for the staff to name him a starter in the fall. Not only is Buechele performing on-the-field, this freshman is exhibiting all of the intangibles necessary to win the trust of the entire team - and staff. Here is what Buechele has accomplished so far:

- Enrolled early.

- Started winning the respect of his teammates during offseason workouts.

- Began pushing the quarterbacks ahead of him for playing time.

- Took advantage of his opportunity after Jerrod Heard’s shoulder injury.

- Excelled during the Orange-White scrimmage.

- Emerging into a leader.

Sure, Tyrone Swoopes is technically the No. 1 guy, but Buechele’s performance this spring made it easier for Texas to start its freshman quarterback and not worry about backlash from the fan base. At this point, naming Buechele the starter prior to this season will generate excitement from Texas fans.

More importantly, there is a growing belief from within the football facilities that Buechele may give Texas a better chance at success this season than any quarterback on the roster. Buechele is definitely doing his best to prove he deserves a shot, and he doing everything possible to win the job. (Richardson)

*****

The offseason is also the beginning of “transfer season” in college football.

This is the time when athletes who are disgruntled about playing time decide to transfer and try their luck at another program. The majority of players who leave fell behind on the depth chart and realize it will be hard to see the field at their current school. Others are homesick and rather play for a program near close to their family. Some players just need a change of scenery.

There are many reasons why players leave, and we will find out which guys are ready to depart Austin pretty soon.

From what I was told, players began meeting with Strong on Wednesday to discuss their future at UT. Each player is receiving an individual assessment and should have a better idea of where they stand after their meeting. Friday is the last planned meeting day, assuming nobody had to reschedule.

So far, I do not have a list of potential transfer candidates, and speculating in a public forum could create unnecessary tension between players who might believe they are being pushed out the door at the staff. For that reason, it is best to wait until the meetings are concluded and players have a chance to contemplate their future before discussing specific Longhorns.

Attrition has not being a problem at Texas under Strong, but with the emphasis on playing sophomores and incoming freshmen this season, it will be interesting to see which players are worried about getting lost in the shuffle.

So far, I do not have any indication Texas is in danger of losing any potential starters, but we should have a better idea of what will in the near future. (Richardson)

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Texas’ incoming freshmen are expected to hit campus in June, and there appears to be very good news for Longhorn fans.

So far, it seems everybody should graduate from high school on time, and Texas may not have to worry about any player failing to qualify academically. When I asked about this a few months ago, I was told there were at least two players who still had some classroom work to pull off.

However, I spoke to a source on Thursday, and that person does not believe we will see a repeat of the academic casualties Texas sustained last year.

My only disclaimer is anything can happen between now and June.

If by some outside chance we discover a player is struggling in the classroom, just know when I spoke to a source on April 28, every incoming freshman appeared to have their grades under control. Ultimately, this situation will become very clear in the near future. (Richardson)

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With the NFL draft this weekend and no real Longhorns headliners outside of Hassan Ridgeway (who projects as a Day 2 pick), here is your first-look breakdown of what kind of weekend Texas fans may be looking at next year:

SENIORS

RT Kent Perkins - Well, this is the big year for Perkins. We’ve been on the verge of a Kent Perkins breakout for three seasons now. If Perkins can finally play at the dominating level we’ve seen in spurts consistently, that’s a third-round guard with some upside. If he plays like he has played for his entire career, he is a borderline-draftable prospect, grading slightly lower than guys like Trey Hopkins and Donald Hawkins who both went undrafted.

TE/DE Caleb Bluiett - He won’t be featured in the passing game, but he’ll have a shot to put some nice things on tape as a pass-protector and a run-blocking H-back. Teams will likely also love the athleticism he showed on the defensive side of the football and that versatility. It’s not unreasonable to optimistically project that he can have the kind of season that gets him drafted.

DT Paul Boyette - His wife just got drafted, I think he can too with a really big season. It’s just hard to chalk it up to a good chance. The defensive line is going to be very thin, at least to start things out, and Boyette will likely have to be a 70% snap-participant which I could certainly see making him gassed frequently. I think he’ll end up in an NFL camp if he wants, but I’m not confident just yet saying he’ll get drafted.

QB/RB Tyrone Swoopes - Who knows, they could want to look at him at defensive end or tight end or who knows where. I think teams will just be interested in his size and running ability. It’s hard to project how the scenario plays out without knowing what Swoopes’ plan was to be positionally, but he has better natural athleticism and size than a lot of the guys who’ll get drafted this weekend.

JUNIORS WHO COULD DECLARE

(This list will have a lot of interesting names when projecting the 2018 NFL draft - Vahe, Williams, Warren, Jefferson, Hill, Davis, Omenihu and others all could find themselves in position to seek advisory board feedback)

RB D’Onta Foreman - RB is a deep group next season in the NFL draft. A generational talent in Leonard Fournette will presumably be coming out. He’s the sort of player who I wouldn’t be shocked if teams have in the overall Top 5 of their big boards by draft time barring injury or disaster. Nick Chubb, Dalvin Cook, Christian McCaffrey, Semaje Perine, it’s deep. I’ve heard that Foreman is focused on his Texas career at this time of course, but it’s clearly a big dream of his to get to play professionally. If he had a monster 2016 season garnering national awards and/or received a second-round grade from the advisory board, it would be something I know he’d think about pretty hard.

So, looking at next year, it appears Texas fans may not have a much bigger year on tap and it has a good possibility of being a worse showing for the Longhorns. Kent Perkins’ realistic upside with a mega-monster of a season is about where Ridgeway is currently slotted. Also, in the scenario of a D’Onta Foreman mega-monster, it would likely only realistically catapult his stock into the second-round range with the positional value that will be present.

With the 2015 and 2016 classes at Texas, it’s a virtual guarantee the Longhorns will be back to a program that has 5-10 players at the combine annually, but it won’t be until 2018 or possibly 2019. (Dunlap)
 
From what I was told, Buechele and freshman receiver Collin Johnson work together to gather teammates to workout throughout the week. Whenever teammates discover the workouts are taking place, a number of players decide to join them. As a result of that initiative, players are now looking at Buecehle to organize these workouts.

In addition, I was told Buechele is the only quarterback currently organizing workouts.
Possibly related... SIAP- IT is saying that the coaching staff is seriously considering moving Jerrod Heard to Slot WR.
 
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