A&M’s Political Expansion via Admissions Policy

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A&M now has an acceptance rate for new applicants of around 65%. Many have concluded, I think rightfully so, this is not some “lib” policy of diversity and inclusion. It is about producing much higher numbers of A&M grads in the state vs. their hated “tu” grads over the long term. This could have real political implications as it affects the University. Imagine what could have happened with our move to the SEC if some vengeful ag were governor? Obviously, there are likely much more substantive things this could affect than football down the line. Certainly.

In the early 90s when I was admitted UT had a higher admission rate. Now, I likely would never have gotten in as a transfer unless I went solely liberal arts (I have a business degree). Now, it is extremely difficult to get in. How many threads have we seen over the years where top-notch, Longhorn loving kids are denied admission?

Who does this exclusivity at Texas benefit? Unless I have missed something, a degree from Texas is no more prestigious now than it was in 1995. UT’s undergrad business school is still top 5. Have any other of our colleges seen dramatic jumps in the rankings? IDK.

What this appears to serve, at least to me, is the vanity of the academics and their ability to tout Texas’ “highly competitive admissions.” Hence, the validity and prestige of their own positions. It is certainly not to the benefit of the people of the State of Texas and giving them access to an institution of higher learning of the first class — The University’s stated mission and responsibility.

I am not suggesting we mimic the damn near open admissions at A&M, but we can certainly return to some modicum of prestige that still allows greater access for our hard working and deserving students, who will turnaround and do great things for the US, Texas, and the University.

If our new leadership is really serious about “winning” across the board, I think the admissions policy is something that should be considered.
 
It’s been this way forever. “Aggy tithes, the Longhorns tip.” Let them do their little “strength in numbers” BS act….. The most successful Longhorn graduates will always be more successful and impactful in our state than the most successful Aggy.
 
They are diluting the value of an aggy degree. We shouldn’t follow suit.

You are missing the point. UT has contracted our admissions. And I am asking, to what end? Is a UT degree more prestigious now than it was 25 years ago? I don’t think so. I am suggesting we simply return to a more inclusive admissions policy.
 
Where do you put all of the students? I guess we could increase the number of “virtual” degrees, but I’m not sure that’s in the best interest of maintaining the value of a Texas degree.
 
I agree. I think UT should go back to the top 10% rule and if you're the son or daughter of a UT grad and in the top 20% you are in (I would allow it for grandkids as well).
Texas needs to get aggressive in expanding the size of the university itself to be able to increase admissions. I’m not very familiar with any expansion plans or use of other campuses in Austin but we need to get creative. Online degrees are not the answer, there are other lesser tier schools for that. I think a move back to the top 10% would be wise if we can find the space. The legacy thing is dumb, my son can get in on his own merits and if he can’t well, that’s life. Now if you want to talk about reserving a section of the admissions for high level donors, I don’t really mind that at all. Some people may not want to hear but it’s necessary to preserve the cash flow into the university.
 
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Pretty sure a lot of those who actually graduate can’t wait to get away from the culture of stupidity that eATMe promulgates. A degree is a degree.
 
We should evaluate what enrollment level we could handle and still maintain/grow our standing. We need to take our cues from our peers (Cal, Michigan, UVa, UCLA, etc.), not aggy or their peer set. I'm all for it if it passes this level of rigor.
 
Somewhere in your thinking, you ought to actually consider the quality of the education. If you have 110,000 undergrads, what will your faculty-to-student ratio be? Will students really have the opportunity to learn from respected and tenured faculty who are experts in their fields? If you’re all about political power and ‘prestige,’ you’ve missed the actual mission of an institution of higher learning.
 
You are missing the point. UT has contracted our admissions. And I am asking, to what end? Is a UT degree more prestigious now than it was 25 years ago? I don’t think so. I am suggesting we simply return to a more inclusive admissions policy.
I often had to sit on the stairs in my freshman level classes, after hoofing it across campus through the crowd. Over-packed weed out classes are not a good thing.
 
Much more difficult to expand the campus in Austin than in College station. What has kept Texas from having higher rankings has been student to professor ratio and class size. That would only get worse with a more open policy. Unfortunately aTm’s strategy is to continue to inbreed and let all who want to come in in. Their prestige willl suffer but their population will grow.
 
I agree with your general concern. Other schools, including A&M, will have a larger alumni base and will better protect family legacies meaning a growing supportive fan and donation base. My own son who is a senior, a top 10% student in Leander, and wants to go to UT will likely be looking at CAP or transfer.

However, UT hasn’t contracted admissions. UT continues to increase the incoming class size, it’s just not at the same rate as other public universities in Texas. One thing continually overlooked as the limitations to physically grow the Austin campus and thus, students and staff at the same rate as other schools.
 
Penn State was able to increase the number of grads while maintaining the same facilities by greatly reducing the number & percentage of freshmen & sophomores on campus.. They work very hard with their other branches & quality community colleges for students to take the right classes & then transfer in. Seems like that might be the easiest way to increase the number of Grads & still maintain high standards. The Branches can expand or shift their population toward more frosh & sophomores. It's just a coordination & shifting of resources under the UT system.

We should also eliminate admissions from China & give those to Texas students as well.

It would also reinforce the 60's concept of Texas being known as The University.
 
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You are missing the point. UT has contracted our admissions. And I am asking, to what end? Is a UT degree more prestigious now than it was 25 years ago? I don’t think so. I am suggesting we simply return to a more inclusive admissions policy.
Where do you put all of the students? I guess we could increase the number of “virtual” degrees, but I’m not sure that’s in the best interest of maintaining the value of a Texas degree.
This is the problem. The UT campus is land-locked. There is no more room for the expansion needed to enable a larger enrollment.
 
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I think some of the aggy admission stuff is overblown. The state population is dramatically increasing, therefore the number of qualified applicants is also increasing. You can increase your admission totals and still maintain high exclusivity.
 
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there is so much hypocrisy in education at every level. The job of a university is to teach and research and provide a broadband of learning that also benefits maturation of students. The only job of a teacher is to provide insight to what is not intuitive and provide a fair examination that corresponds to grading. That means most classes can be taught via the net or face-to-face or whatever. Students should never be taking notes, never. The teacher should be required to providethe materials, via text books or their own notes.

A fair examination can be proctored. If a student wants to live in Israel and earn a dgree from an Americam university, so be it; so long as the examinations are honest.
 
You are missing the point. UT has contracted our admissions. And I am asking, to what end? Is a UT degree more prestigious now than it was 25 years ago? I don’t think so. I am suggesting we simply return to a more inclusive admissions policy.
We have not contracted anything. Our FR admissions are higher than ever.
 
UT is more prestigious today than it was 25 years ago.

The goal should be to create great public universities across our state, not to insure a rivalry mostly based on athletics drives our admissions policy.

UT continues to do it right here, while A&M is A&M.
 
A&M now has an acceptance rate for new applicants of around 65%. Many have concluded, I think rightfully so, this is not some “lib” policy of diversity and inclusion. It is about producing much higher numbers of A&M grads in the state vs. their hated “tu” grads over the long term. This could have real political implications as it affects the University. Imagine what could have happened with our move to the SEC if some vengeful ag were governor? Obviously, there are likely much more substantive things this could affect than football down the line. Certainly.

In the early 90s when I was admitted UT had a higher admission rate. Now, I likely would never have gotten in as a transfer unless I went solely liberal arts (I have a business degree). Now, it is extremely difficult to get in. How many threads have we seen over the years where top-notch, Longhorn loving kids are denied admission?

Who does this exclusivity at Texas benefit? Unless I have missed something, a degree from Texas is no more prestigious now than it was in 1995. UT’s undergrad business school is still top 5. Have any other of our colleges seen dramatic jumps in the rankings? IDK.

What this appears to serve, at least to me, is the vanity of the academics and their ability to tout Texas’ “highly competitive admissions.” Hence, the validity and prestige of their own positions. It is certainly not to the benefit of the people of the State of Texas and giving them access to an institution of higher learning of the first class — The University’s stated mission and responsibility.

I am not suggesting we mimic the damn near open admissions at A&M, but we can certainly return to some modicum of prestige that still allows greater access for our hard working and deserving students, who will turnaround and do great things for the US, Texas, and the University.

If our new leadership is really serious about “winning” across the board, I think the admissions policy is something that should be considered.
In regards to Texas, isn’t it just a logistical issue? So many people apply to UT and there simply isn’t enough space to accept 65% like aggy.
 
Penn State was able to increase the number of grads while maintaining the same facilities by greatly reducing the number & percentage of freshmen & sophomores on campus.. They work very hard with their other branches & quality community colleges for students to take the right classes & then transfer in. Seems like that might be the easiest way to increase the number of Grads & still maintain high standards. The Branches can expand or shift their population toward more frosh & sophomores. It's just a coordination & shifting of resources under the UT system.

We should also eliminate admissions from China & give those to Texas students as well.

It would also reinforce the 60's concept of Texas being known as The University.
I mean you basically described what the CAP was designed for. The problem with this is that everyone wants the “freshman experience”. That’s when everyone forms bonds, goes Greek, joins clubs, makes friends. That is when your bond with the university is born. I don’t think the number of Grads is or should be the focus, it needs to be on overall expansion, the freshmen experience and retention.
 
I think the undergraduate enrolment is pretty stable at about 40 thousand. There's a quality over quantity question about expansion. 40 thousand seems about right.
 
Texas needs to get aggressive in expanding the size of the university itself to be able to increase admissions. I’m not very familiar with any expansion plans or use of other campuses in Austin but we need to get creative. Online degrees are not the answer, there are other lesser tier schools for that. I think a move back to the top 10% would be wise if we can find the space. The legacy thing is dumb, my son can get in on his own merits and if he can’t well, that’s life. Now if you want to talk about reserving a section of the admissions for high level donors, I don’t really mind that at all. Some people may not want to hear but it’s necessary to preserve the cash flow into the university.

We should expand simply because of the massive increase of the population in Texas.
 
We should expand simply because of the massive increase of the population in Texas.
Yes, more and more qualified applicants are flooding the state. My generation (millennial) are finally popping out kids from multi degree households, competition going forward is going to be fierce.
 
Penn State was able to increase the number of grads while maintaining the same facilities by greatly reducing the number & percentage of freshmen & sophomores on campus.. They work very hard with their other branches & quality community colleges for students to take the right classes & then transfer in. Seems like that might be the easiest way to increase the number of Grads & still maintain high standards. The Branches can expand or shift their population toward more frosh & sophomores. It's just a coordination & shifting of resources under the UT system.

We should also eliminate admissions from China & give those to Texas students as well.

It would also reinforce the 60's concept of Texas being known as The University.
So we get 20 more Texans i stead of foreign students?
 
Yes, more and more qualified applicants are flooding the state. My generation (millennial) are finally popping out kids from multi degree households, competition going forward is going to be fierce.

The problem obviously is space. We will probably have to build a satellite campus east of Austin.
 
A&M now has an acceptance rate for new applicants of around 65%. Many have concluded, I think rightfully so, this is not some “lib” policy of diversity and inclusion. It is about producing much higher numbers of A&M grads in the state vs. their hated “tu” grads over the long term. This could have real political implications as it affects the University. Imagine what could have happened with our move to the SEC if some vengeful ag were governor? Obviously, there are likely much more substantive things this could affect than football down the line. Certainly.

In the early 90s when I was admitted UT had a higher admission rate. Now, I likely would never have gotten in as a transfer unless I went solely liberal arts (I have a business degree). Now, it is extremely difficult to get in. How many threads have we seen over the years where top-notch, Longhorn loving kids are denied admission?

Who does this exclusivity at Texas benefit? Unless I have missed something, a degree from Texas is no more prestigious now than it was in 1995. UT’s undergrad business school is still top 5. Have any other of our colleges seen dramatic jumps in the rankings? IDK.

What this appears to serve, at least to me, is the vanity of the academics and their ability to tout Texas’ “highly competitive admissions.” Hence, the validity and prestige of their own positions. It is certainly not to the benefit of the people of the State of Texas and giving them access to an institution of higher learning of the first class — The University’s stated mission and responsibility.

I am not suggesting we mimic the damn near open admissions at A&M, but we can certainly return to some modicum of prestige that still allows greater access for our hard working and deserving students, who will turnaround and do great things for the US, Texas, and the University.

If our new leadership is really serious about “winning” across the board, I think the admissions policy is something that should be considered.
Perhaps you have forgotten, but the Texas Governor in 2011 was a “vengeful” aggy - Rick Perry.
Now, it is our turn.
 
All universities may need to loosen admissions policies to make sufficient money. The days of a degree dependent upon bricks and mortar may be over. Virtual learning is becoming a much bigger factor.

On the other hand, if you are no longer on campus and the social aspects go away, those learning virtually will not likely have the loyalty to an alma mater that has historically been the case.
 
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Is a UT degree more prestigious now than it was 25 years ago?

Yes it is.

For my parents generation (60+ year olds), UT was seen as a more regionally strong school with a good Law program. Texans obviously saw UT as a great school, but those that didn't grow up near here didn't really see it as a splash school.

Today, UT engineering and CS are both top 10 programs, in addition to RTF, marketing, and several others.

UT today - in the 20-40 demographic - is a top public school.

So yes, UT is a far better school now than it was 25 years ago. It's actually clearly better now than it was 10 years ago when I finished my PhD.
 

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