Baylor May get death penalty

[ryan_sublett]

I was of the opinion awhile back that the NCAA didn't really have standing to do much even if they wanted to. The more information that we get though the more I think something will come from the NCAA. When you start getting in to giving scholarships in exchange for silence. That would be something the NCAA would have to step in for I'd think.

I don't think the NCAA will ever give the death penalty again but if it was to ever be brought again this would certainly be a case for it.

For someone that knows better than me. Is there a way for the big 12 member schools to punish Baylor? Could they remove them from the conference if they wanted?

 

[Bass Elder]

I was of the opinion awhile back that the NCAA didn't really have standing to do much even if they wanted to.

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wtf... you do not think the NCAA did not have the legal authority to impose the 'death penalty' on Penn State?

You would probably be best serve in reviewing a few of the facts -- starting with conversations between Paterno & Sandusky. Paterno knew that Sandusky was banging 13yr old boys for years.

as a matter of fact, will pass on some facts to save you time from researching.. Paterno's extreme discipline was telling Sandusky to quit bending the boys over in the future.

 

[ryan_sublett]

My post had nothing to do with penn state lol.

I'll play along. As far as the penn state thing goes. I felt that it went WAY beyond anything the NCAA could handle, and as tragic and awful as it was the death penalty to the football program wouldn't of been approprate imo.

What is going on at Baylor is exactly what the NCAA is there for. Scholarships being given to victims in exchange for silence. Briles intemadating vicitims, the admin sweeping title Ix violations under the rug. Those are all NCAA things. Penn state went WAY beyond that to more legal and proscutoral things.

 

[Bass Elder]

My post had nothing to do with penn state lol

.. then be more concise.

If it would have been another poster, I wouldn't have said anything. However, your history of rambling diatribes doesn't exactly help you out in this area.

on the other hand.. its my fault to waist my time in reading

 

[RoboCocks21]

In before lock...you suck bell by the way! Haha

 

[outhereincali]

man, if your moral scale registers on the "i think what happened to Penn State was to severe"

Just out of curiosity, would you care to spend a few minutes set forth the parameters of your scale.

with the above stated, I gather you are from California -- just when I thought i had some remote clue as to Californians sense of decency, you just knocked it out of the park.

But what the hell, im from west Texas so our ethics probably do not measure up to Calif

What you're saying and what you're thinking as to me is absolutely ridiculous.

 

[speedstrength]

How many of your know that the NCAA recinded most of the penalties levied against Penn State? They would have also had their asses handed to them had they chose to fight the state law enacted to prevent the 60 million from leaving the state. The NCAA quickly agreed to follow the state law and allow Penn State to control who gets the money? They are slowly releasing the funds in the form of competitive grants and they are keeping 12 million for on campus programs.

 

[OldHornInPA]

I disagree with those that think the Penn State scandal and now the Baylor one should not have been treated the same way. Both schools were hiding atrocious behavior by the football team and/or their coaches. They were protecting the revenue generator for the athletic program -- the football cash cow. Fines by the NCAA as a punishment is a foolish idea especially if they are in the millions. Shutting the football program down completely for a year is quite appropriate though. Once guilt is ascertained, universities need to understand that covering up these serious criminal activities to protect a sports franchise won't be tolerated. If this isn't in the NCAA by-laws now then it should be.

 

[speedstrength]

There are lots of schools in trouble with the Department of Ed for Title IX infractions related to how they handle sexual assault on campus. That may change under the new Administration because they aren't releasing updates at this time. The biggest problem is that schools don't have mechanisms in place to deal with issues of sexual assault or they aren't following their own produces for adjudicating issues of sexual violence on campus. These issues really do fall outside the purview of the NCAA and are best handled by the criminal, civil, and federal courts.

 

[ryan_sublett]

.. then be more concise.

If it would have been another poster, I wouldn't have said anything. However, your history of rambling diatribes doesn't exactly help you out in this area.

on the other hand.. its my fault to waist my time in reading

You called me out for stating an opinion about something I never even mentioned but I go on rambling diatribes? Ok dude.

As I said in my post that replied to your nonsensical reply to mine. What happened at penn state was absolutely awful but was more for the legal system as well as civil litagstion, and state law makers to deal with more so than the NCAA at least in my opinion.

The actions at Baylor in terms of title Ix violations, bribing victims with scholarships, not following policy when it comes to reporting complaints. There maybe some legal standing there as well, but those are also things the NCAA is there to monitor and punish accordingly.

To me the penn state situation was so beyond what the NCAA was designed to handle you can't even compare the two.

 

[TexExSpur]

NCAA is too soft to do a damn thing about it. They've seen enough and done nothing.

 

[speedstrength]

That's because so far the only violations that have come out are some minor recruiting violations. Briles was sanctioned. Its like the fake class scandal at UNC. The fake classes were not an impressionable benefit because non student athletes were taking the class. The only team that was sanctioned was women's basketball because they had proof an academic advisor wrote papers for women's basketball players.

 

[bubba2023]

Agree the heart of this scandal is not really in the NCAA wheelhouse, even though the events are far more sickening than anything SMU did.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Agree the heart of this scandal is not really in the NCAA wheelhouse, even though the events are far more sickening than anything SMU did.

I disagree. If scholarships were given in exchange for silence and students were around to have sex with recruits as Is reported by some outlets. The NCAA would have some standing I would think.

 

[Belldozer1]

There is one report circulating that says this will ultimately cost $200 million plus, between settlements, litigation costs, lost donations, drop off in student enrollment, etc. I don't care how big the endowment is, that is a difficult amount to come up with. And I, for one, work WAY to hard for my money to have it go to pay for the sins of gross mismanagement.

Diadevic, you are starting to sound disenfranchised, much like FlourBluffHorn was a couple of weeks ago. I will make you the same offer made to FBHorn: I will allow you to piggyback on my team and enjoy that fresh Sugarbowl win until you can get your thoughts together but you have to make up your mind by the time spring ball rolls around or you automatically have to openly pull for the Sooners this year.

 

[bubba2023]

I disagree. If scholarships were given in exchange for silence and students were around to have sex with recruits as Is reported by some outlets. The NCAA would have some standing I would think.

The sex for recruits certainly falls under NCAA jurisdiction, but how does Baylor giving scholarships for NDA fall under the NCAA umbrella? The NCAA doesn't control use of scholarships even if it was an athletic scholarship.

 

[diadevic]

Interesting book review in Friday's Wall Street Journal on the evolving definition of "rape" and "sexual assault".

https://www.wsj.com/articles/witch-hunt-on-the-quad-1485477033

 

[oldhorn2]

since someone mentioned basketball....Kansas now finds themselves in a bit of a pickle in BB. Gonna be interesting how that shakes out ( sounds like a clone to the Mixon situation)

 

[ASURAM2010]

since someone mentioned basketball....Kansas now finds themselves in a bit of a pickle in BB. Gonna be interesting how that shakes out ( sounds like a clone to the Mixon situation)

How is a clone of the Mixon deal? I thought the KU bball thing was a rape in an on campus dorm during a party that several KU players were at. Am I missing an update on that story?

 

[oldhorn2]

Diadevic, you are starting to sound disenfranchised, much like FlourBluffHorn was a couple of weeks ago. I will make you the same offer made to FBHorn: I will allow you to piggyback on my team and enjoy that fresh Sugarbowl win until you can get your thoughts together but you have to make up your mind by the time spring ball rolls around or you automatically have to openly pull for the Sooners this year.

Bell I am on record for saying many times that I pull for OU in every game they play each year but the RRS......but to openly root for em?. I would rather be deep fried at McDonalds.

 

[Belldozer1]

Bell I am on record for saying many times that I pull for OU in every game they play each year but the RRS......but to openly root for em?. I would rather be deep fried at McDonalds.

The price for piggybacking doesn't come cheap.

 

[oldhorn2]

When I said a clone of the Mixon deal I meant that the KU player was given a year off, but is back this year and a key player at that.

 

[ASURAM2010]

When I said a clone of the Mixon deal I meant that the KU player was given a year off, but is back this year and a key player at that.

I wasn't aware of those details. I will have to go back and reread the entire story. I thought this just happened and that they haven't made any decisions about punishments yet.

 

[TX1972]

The price for piggybacking doesn't come cheap.

At least we didn't have to spend 4 years in Okie homey.

 

[oldhorn2]

the incident happened in 2015

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report...ly-committed-domestic-violence-020433947.html

 

[ASURAM2010]

the incident happened in 2015

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/report...ly-committed-domestic-violence-020433947.html

Didn't hear about that one. There is a new one that just came out about a rape occurring in a basketball player dorm.

 

[oldhorn2]

yes...that new one is what got some focus on this "old" one. Anywy...it seemed eeriely like the Mixon one in that it happened a year or so ago and it was handled roughly the same way. Perhaps even worse in that this guy was never suspended as I thought, he was just "sparingly" used

 

[ryan_sublett]

The sex for recruits certainly falls under NCAA jurisdiction, but how does Baylor giving scholarships for NDA fall under the NCAA umbrella? The NCAA doesn't control use of scholarships even if it was an athletic scholarship.

Well if the NCAA can't do anything about scholarships for silence your gonna see a lot more of it.

 

[Jet Peddler]

A lot of this isn't new, nor is it unique to Baylor. Plenty of programs use pretty girls as escorts and I'm sure parties, strippers and sex occurs as well (to be clear, I do not endorse this and thinks it wrong). The major issue with Baylor is that the program was aware that these parties were unsafe for women and sex was not always consensual. Despite this information they kept sexual predators on campus (at best, helped them transfer to other campuses) , continued endorsing this type of behavior, did not properly discipline players (either internally or through official means). This lead to multiple sexual assaults being carried out by the same players. This is exactly what occurred to the young women filing this current lawsuit.

UT has long used hotties to escort football recruits when visiting the campus (not sure if they still do). They called them "Bevo's Babes" when I was there from 79-85. I know of at least one football player that scored with the Babes.

 

[oldhorn2]

79- 85.....well that's relavent.....thanks for playing.