Baylor outside the lines Espn.

[jsto60]

We could argue the merits of how they got to the 20% number all day long. But it just dilutes the point.

Bottom line, is if it happens to one girl.....that is one too many. What if it happens to 10 girls on every college campus, each semester? And it is happening at a much higher rate than that....on many, many campuses.
At the end of the day, guys should not be forcing themselves on any woman. EVER. Even worse, they shouldn't be getting away with it because a college helps bury it, thanks to their athletic prowess. And they shouldn't be allowed to skate, scott free and transfer and do it again and again have it not just ignored but mostly buried.

Not all of these things are avoidable from the school's standpoint. And coaches can't always instantly make up for bad years of parenting. But they can put their foots down when reprehensible things happen. An athletic scholarship is a privilege, not a right.

 

[Scholz]

So I guess I'm still waiting from a Baylor response. I mean they knew this story was coming. Where's the correction in the facts? Any sort of denial, mitigation? Where's Ken Starr? Prominent alumni (Drayton McLane, your name is on the stadium). Where's Art Briles (who I will now refer to as ArtPa)? Where was he from 2008-2013? To allow rapists to remain on the team and to not protect the girls at Baylor turns my stomach.

 

[oldschoolcat]

So I guess I'm still waiting from a Baylor response. I mean they knew this story was coming. Where's the correction in the facts? Any sort of denial, mitigation? Where's Ken Starr? Prominent alumni (Drayton McLane, your name is on the stadium). Where's Art Briles (who I will now refer to as ArtPa)? Where was he from 2008-2013? To allow rapists to remain on the team and to not protect the girls at Baylor turns my stomach.

I'm no Baylor fan at all, but what are they going to say? Not sure it's a defensible position.

 

[Scholz]

I don't know but the silence is pretty deafening. Are there facts that were misrepresented? Is there something more to the story? If not, why aren't heads rolling?

 

[oldschoolcat]

Probably some serious damage control going on right now. I'd guess there would be some sort of gag order inside the admin.....or at least there should be until they get their response ready. Not sure you can half a$$ respond to this kind of stuff.

 

[diadevic]

I don't know but the silence is pretty deafening. Are there facts that were misrepresented? Is there something more to the story? If not, why aren't heads rolling?

Here's your answer. This is headed towards litigation. Keep your mouth shut, and try it in court, not on ESPN with its agenda. Face it - ESPN has to make the story as spectacular as possible to get ratings, and they did. Personally? The two players are disgusting, but I doubt the involvement of the university is as bad as ESPN suggests (and by that I mean I doubt that Ken Starr gave Art Briles an ultimatum to recruit rapists; not that the rapes themselves were reprehensible). Briles is on the record that Peterson did not mention the prior problem, Boise St. is on the record that Peterson did not report any sexual assault to the university. As stated earlier, the Pennsylvania law firm will get to the bottom of the whole thing. If there is something amiss, heads will roll, and I support that. Get all the facts in, then make the judgment; and if its harsh, so be it. Nobody answered my earlier question of the 2 UT boys that were dismissed, only to be adjudged not guilty --- maybe, just maybe, a quick rush to judgment is not always the best policy.

 

[Scholz]

Yeah, JoePa didn't know anything either. Sorry, not buying it. This was going on for years. And nobody in authority (administration, big donors, etc.) care because football was winning.

 

[diadevic]

Yeah, JoePa didn't know anything either. Sorry, not buying it. This was going on for years. And nobody in authority (administration, big donors, etc.) care because football was winning.

Yeah, and JoePa went down. The law firm BU hired is the law firm that investigated Penn St. They aren't going to sugar coat it.

As for nobody caring --- you are sorely mistaken. One of BU's biggest athletic problems over the years is that no one cared about football. Contrary to some of the other posts on this thread, BU IS a Christian based institution: Baylor University’s mission, “to educate young men and women for worldwide leadership and service by integrating academic excellence and Christian commitment within a caring community,” serves as the foundation for the University’s current ten-year vision of “entering the top tier of American universities, while reaffirming and deepening our distinctive Christian mission” (Baylor 2012).

Most of the alums are solidly behind the mission statement, and are demanding answers in this debacle. Yes, there are those who blindly follow football and care about nothing else. But I can assure you a sizeable majority went to Baylor precisely for the mission statement. Track record? Jim Haller paid for a player's ticket home for a funeral, and was fired. Bliss cheated, and not only was he fired, but so were the AD AND the President. If someone in the administration or coaching staff was negligent in their jobs, they will be gone.

 

[Scholz]

We'll see. I think Baylor is being quiet right now and will go underground after NSD hoping this will blow over. When the Spring game rolls around, they're hoping it will be old news.

If there aren't repercussions, you can flush that Christian mission statement down the toilet. Allowing girls to be raped for years and not lifting a finger to help them in the name of a winning football team isn't very Jesus like. And Ken Starr with his moral judgment and hypocritical righteous indignation re: Bill Clinton should be investigated by the Feds.

 

[jsto60]

Nobody answered my earlier question of the 2 UT boys that were dismissed, only to be adjudged not guilty --- maybe, just maybe, a quick rush to judgment is not always the best policy.

Not guilty in a court of law.....does not mean they were not guilty of doing something that was very stupid and still deserved to lose their scholarship. Not to mention it isn't like they could go to school and play football while also going to trial.

You go read their story and tell me you want them on your team. Best of luck to them. I hope they learned. I am not totally against them getting a second chance somewhere else. But they blew their chance here.

Only the weak or the win hungry, hinge on this "well if the court says they are innocent" we can't do anything to them as far as it pertains to football. And that is BS. Plenty of jobs will fire you for all sorts of presumed bad activity. You don't have to have a guilty plea to revoke a scholarship.

 

[jsto60]

Here's your answer. This is headed towards litigation. Keep your mouth shut, and try it in court, not on ESPN with its agenda. Face it - ESPN has to make the story as spectacular as possible to get ratings, and they did.

Good spin. Kill the messenger eh?

Really, why blame ESPN? Last I checked, ESPN actually fires people for sexual misconduct and simply alleged improprieties. Sean Salisbury, Harold Reynolds, etc. That is more than BU can say.

You really gonna blame the media for being the media...aka shining light on something reprehensible that BU is trying to keep in the dark?

 

[jsto60]

If you want to talk ESPN dollars. You do know that ESPN has quite a bit invested in the BigXII and especially UT. I don't think they want BU to get the death penalty for a two day bump in ratings. Only to have the conference dissolve to 9 teams and sink LHN.

Bottom line, if BU doesn't do anything wrong....there is no story here. But to blame ESPN for reporting it.......well spin and blame away. That is what got BU in this mess. And you'd think they would have learned from the basketball murders how not to bury serious criminal charges with athletes.

 

[Scholz]

In a just world, Bill Clinton would be hired as special prosecutor to examine Ken Starr on the stand of what he did or didn't know re: the rapes and cover up.

 

[diadevic]

Good spin. Kill the messenger eh?

Really, why blame ESPN? Last I checked, ESPN actually fires people for sexual misconduct and simply alleged improprieties. Sean Salisbury, Harold Reynolds, etc. That is more than BU can say.

Chris Berman is still employed; Robert Sloan and Tom Stanton were fired by Baylor.

 

[Vincent Laguardia Gambini]

In a just world, Bill Clinton would be hired as special prosecutor to examine Ken Starr on the stand of what he did or didn't know re: the rapes and cover up.

Bill Clinton surrendered his law license in disgrace because he committed perjury.

 

[Scholz]

OK. It would be karma though after Starr's false morality concerning a blowjob. Perjury isn't covering up rape either like Starr did

 

[Metcalf #2]

Lol. Sorry my commie friend, but Bill is the last person you should bring up in any topic of sexual misconduct, and covering it up.

What's going on at Baylor is disgusting, and they're trying to keep Art Viles out of it. I call bullshit. That motherf*cker knew exactly what was going on, and simply didn't care.

 

[Scholz]

Just making a joke about the tables being turned on Starr. Didn't mean to get the tea party roused.

 

[Metcalf #2]

Lol. It would be funny, and possibly even effective. If anybody knows a sexual assault cover up, it's Bill.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I think it's funny back then the Bill Clinton thing was a big deal. Today it's like eh he had sex with an intern probably not presidental but who cares haha just goes to show how society changes(and yes I know he was technically impeached for lying)

 

[Metcalf #2]

I think it's funny back then the Bill Clinton thing was a big deal. Today it's like eh he had sex with an intern probably not presidental but who cares haha just goes to show how society changes(and yes I know he was technically impeached for lying)

It wasn't just the blowjob though. There were accusations from other women that got swept under the rug.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Just wondering how 6 fathers didn't kill or end this kids career. I'm sorry but if this happens to my daughter and the school or justice system fails. Well perhaps my "old neighborhood" may come out.

 

[Scholz]

Just wondering how 6 fathers didn't kill or end this kids career. I'm sorry but if this happens to my daughter and the school or justice system fails. Well perhaps my "old neighborhood" may come out.

Truth. And if you send your daughter there at this point, then it's on you.

 

[diadevic]

I didn't realize that the sexual assault problem was not just a Baylor issue. I guess its "on" any of us that send our daughter's outside of our house.

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/09/21/survey-18-percent-ut-students-have-been-sexually-a/

 

[elcapitan009]

Question:

What does espn and or the CDC use to define "sexual assault"? I only ask this because 20% of all collegiate women seems like a REALLY high number. Not that I don't think it's possible nor am I minimizing what they're saying by any means whatsoever, I'm just curious as to what defines it. If a girl get her butt grabbed in a bar- is that "defined" as sexual assault? If so, I can see how 20% of all women are assaulted in college. If it means they were "grabbed and held down" or hit or something violent, I just find that disgusting but still hard to believe.

Back to the a$$ grabbing in bars- I've had my a$$ grabbed a million times in a bar (granted not as much these last few years) and while I get there's a double standard (come on guys, if a woman grabbed your a$$ in a college bar you know what you'd be thinking) I know that door doesn't swing both ways when a guy does it to a girl. I'm just curious if anybody knows what the CDC uses as a the standard for sexual assault. Anyone??

eeeeeeesh cringing.

a lot of guys think this way, but the truth is if a guy has had his ass grabbed a million times by women of whom he has had no interest in (think fat and ugly with acne), then maybe he'd understand what women are going through. in reality, he still has the power to turn them away if they get too aggressive, whereas women do not.

also, a lot of guys don't consider something like that sexual assault until it happens to their wife or gf. then it's fighting time.

 

[elcapitan009]

eeeeeeesh cringing.

a lot of guys think this way, but the truth is if a guy has had his ass grabbed a million times by women of whom he has had no interest in (think fat and ugly with acne), then maybe he'd understand what women are going through. in reality, he still has the power to turn them away if they get too aggressive, whereas women do not.

also, a lot of guys don't consider something like that sexual assault until it happens to their wife or gf. then it's fighting time.

and not to say you're making light of it clob, just irked me because i've had this exact conversation with level-headed individuals who think slapping a girl on the ass at the bar is alright because she was talking to them flirtatiously.

 

[Scholz]

I didn't realize that the sexual assault problem was not just a Baylor issue.

Valid. No but it's a Baylor Athletic Dept issue. Not so at UT.

And at UT, our administration doesn't turn raped girls away saying "we can't do anything for you." Like at Baylor. Or cover up rapes. Like at Baylor. Or force the raped girl to transfer while the rapist stays. Like at Baylor.

 

[Bama_Teacher_inTX]

I want to hear the Baylor fan base step up and demand answers. The admin is likely to do what they can to cover up. Alabama has certainly had some misconduct in the past, and I was very much opposed to Saban allowing the woman beater that Richt kicked off his team to be on his. But if Bama ever condones and covers up rape on campus, and even goes so far as to make it clear to the victims that nothing can be done for them, I will never ever watch another game ever again.

The two former Longhorns charged with rape may very well have been guilty. But UT kicked them off the team immediately. If you recruit a player who has no history of violent crimes and he chooses to commit one, you cannot blame that on the school. You can only hold the school accountable for how they handle the situation. But to cover up sexual assaults against women is completely disgusting.

 

[RealBear]

I didn't realize that the sexual assault problem was not just a Baylor issue. I guess its "on" any of us that send our daughter's outside of our house.

http://www.texastribune.org/2015/09/21/survey-18-percent-ut-students-have-been-sexually-a/

Just wow! I can't wait for ESPN to do an Outside the Lines on Texas and aggy! Think about it. Based on the total number of females involved at Texas and aggy, that would equate to 9,000 sexual assaults on their campus's over 4 years.

9,000 sexual assaults!! Where are you ESPN? Oh, and I want you to do your OTL report the weekend before NSD again.

So, all you wonderful, moral, UT fans, what do you think of this report? How you gonna hide from this? You gonna point to Baylor, and go, but, but, well, they did it too!! oh my. What a bunch of loser hypocrites!

And don't say I'm trying to make light of the Elliot rapes at Baylor. Hell no! He got 20 years, and I think it should have been life! Of course, this happened in 2011, but okay, ESPN brings it up in 2015. Yeah, agenda?

And this Sam U guy? Lie all you want, but Art Briles knew nothing about what he did at Boise. And the Waco Police refused to file charges. And this happened in 2013, but our moral compass, our church, ESPN, they want to bring it up the weekend of NSD, for impact on recruiting? LOL! What would you do?

Oh, never mind, you UT folks would hire a UT lawyer, get a UT judge, and have the charges dropped, of course with some hush money to the victim, of course. Just like you did with that gang rape involving Kendal Sanders and his buddy. And the hush up and cover up of that McCoy QB, along with Hicks that LB, who assaulted this girl sexually at the Alamo Bowl, and hell, McCoy filmed it.!

Guys, look in the mirror! Pot calling kettle black, huh? But, more than this? How about some sympathy and attention and focus to all these young ladies that attend Texas and aggy, how about some help and focus for them? These young women matter. We must all do all we can to help protect them! It is not about recruiting. It is not about winning football games!

 

[Scholz]

Yeah sure. ArtPa knew nothing. Got it.

 

[speedstrength]

The trouble with Baylor and many other universities isn't the allegations of sexual assault its what happens afterwords. Baylor is going to get into trouble because of how they handled the young women after the reported the sexual assaults and they will probably settle out of court to make sure that people in the admin aren't deposed by opposing council.

On the other hand the young women at A&M feel fairly confident that the university will take the allegations seriously. UT is about average. I wonder how the young women at Baylor feel.

 

[RealBear]

The trouble with Baylor and many other universities isn't the allegations of sexual assault its what happens afterwords. Baylor is going to get into trouble because of how they handled the young women after the reported the sexual assaults and they will probably settle out of court to make sure that people in the admin aren't deposed by opposing council.

On the other hand the young women at A&M feel fairly confident that the university will take the allegations seriously. UT is about average. I wonder how the young women at Baylor feel.

Really, go use the Opens Record Act. Read the complaint of the UT coed that was gang raped by Sanders and the other UT player. You tell me how that complaint progressed from what she swore happened to her, this terroristic act of gang rape, her begging for them to stop, screaming for help in the dorm to having the charges dismissed? LOL!!

 

[jsto60]

Just wow! I can't wait for ESPN to do an Outside the Lines on Texas and aggy! Think about it. Based on the total number of females involved at Texas and aggy, that would equate to 9,000 sexual assaults on their campus's over 4 years.!

This doesn't even use sound logic or math principles.

UT, ATM and really no one else is busy accepting and covering up these things. Just BU.

You can't say "well because JoePa was letting a coach go all catholic church on lil boys.......that every school in America that is bigger than Penn St has even more child rape going on in their school".


Your deflection and blame shifting is disgusting. This isn't spinning some loss. It is spinning rape cover ups. You think your school would have learned after trying to cover up the basketball murders like a short decade ago.

 

[jsto60]

Seriously, Bama fanned hit it here.

I said it earlier. There is a difference between guilty in a court of law and guilty enough that you deserve to lose certain privileges like scholarships. The UT kids had to go for what they did. So what that the court didn't have enough evidence to convict.

BU fan making excuses for rape is sad. But reality is that it does happen everywhere. Sadly. But what doesn't happen is a freaking systemic cover up. And to make excuses or spin that or deflect and act like everyone does that in order for you to accept it.....is reprehensible. I sincerely hope you don't have a daughter that gets raped. But think of that sort of thing happening and bring yourself back to reality.

 

[jsto60]

Really, go use the Opens Record Act. Read the complaint of the UT coed that was gang raped by Sanders and the other UT player. You tell me how that complaint progressed from what she swore happened to her, this terroristic act of gang rape, her begging for them to stop, screaming for help in the dorm to having the charges dismissed? LOL!!

You really need to understand the threshold that has to be held to get a guilty conviction.

Just because the charges were dismissed, just means they don't go to jail. It doesn't mean they were totally blameless and didn't make bad decisions and a huge mistake. It doesn't even mean they are actually innocent. And it doesn't mean they have to be allowed to play football.


Lets say you plan some terrorist attack, etc, etc and on and on and a bunch of bad things and somehow a court doesn't have enough evidence to convict. I am still firing your a$$ from my company. Court decision be damned.