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Baylor outside the lines Espn.

Really, go use the Opens Record Act. Read the complaint of the UT coed that was gang raped by Sanders and the other UT player. You tell me how that complaint progressed from what she swore happened to her, this terroristic act of gang rape, her begging for them to stop, screaming for help in the dorm to having the charges dismissed? LOL!!

Your laughing at that. I belive those to young men were indicted and kicked off the team, tried in a court of law and found not guilty.

How was UT sweeping that under the rug?
 
Just wow! I can't wait for ESPN to do an Outside the Lines on Texas and aggy! Think about it. Based on the total number of females involved at Texas and aggy, that would equate to 9,000 sexual assaults on their campus's over 4 years.

9,000 sexual assaults!! Where are you ESPN? Oh, and I want you to do your OTL report the weekend before NSD again.

So, all you wonderful, moral, UT fans, what do you think of this report? How you gonna hide from this? You gonna point to Baylor, and go, but, but, well, they did it too!! oh my. What a bunch of loser hypocrites!

And don't say I'm trying to make light of the Elliot rapes at Baylor. Hell no! He got 20 years, and I think it should have been life! Of course, this happened in 2011, but okay, ESPN brings it up in 2015. Yeah, agenda?

And this Sam U guy? Lie all you want, but Art Briles knew nothing about what he did at Boise. And the Waco Police refused to file charges. And this happened in 2013, but our moral compass, our church, ESPN, they want to bring it up the weekend of NSD, for impact on recruiting? LOL! What would you do?

Oh, never mind, you UT folks would hire a UT lawyer, get a UT judge, and have the charges dropped, of course with some hush money to the victim, of course. Just like you did with that gang rape involving Kendal Sanders and his buddy. And the hush up and cover up of that McCoy QB, along with Hicks that LB, who assaulted this girl sexually at the Alamo Bowl, and hell, McCoy filmed it.!

Guys, look in the mirror! Pot calling kettle black, huh? But, more than this? How about some sympathy and attention and focus to all these young ladies that attend Texas and aggy, how about some help and focus for them? These young women matter. We must all do all we can to help protect them! It is not about recruiting. It is not about winning football games!
Look everyone an apple......look everyone an orange, they are the same thing!!! NOT.
 

My take on this is, I made it thru college and drunken college nights without getting charged with rape and for good reason. It is because of how I conducted myself in those situations. Bottom line, if a girl is wasted......you don't smash it (maybe if its your wife or long term girl and you know yes means yes and you both know the situation will be handled respectfully). But not a random girl. Drunken no from a random means no. And even drunken yes is one you should pass on. And no way should you push it by halfway thru you tag team in your boy as a surprise that you think drunky won't notice the difference and then take photos of it. SICK.


Whatever happened that night is mostly between those three parties and we will never fully know. Hence the jury dropping the charges. But that doesn't mean they didn't make grave mistakes that they have to feel repercussions for outside a courtroom.


Just because they happen to play football does not make any version of the above OK. I am perfectly fine with them being dismissed from the privilege of playing ball. And Sanders was a young, contributing WR. I still wanted him gone the minute the details like the above came out. Guilty or not up to court standards, they fell below how I would want my child, student, athlete, or kid I coach to handle themselves. And as such, scholly revoked. Best of luck in court. Best of luck somewhere else if you get the chance. But this wasn't some thing where some girl totally made up a story. That is not why they were found "not guilty". Notice that does not = totally innocent.

To lay the burden on the court is sad. It is an excuse. The court merely passes legal judgement. The coaches are supposed to pass team judgement. And they team judgement was just. Now a coach, chancellor, and entire system that turns a blind eye and blames the girl each and every time. SICK. BU fan excusing it....DISGUSTING.
 
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eeeeeeesh cringing.

a lot of guys think this way, but the truth is if a guy has had his ass grabbed a million times by women of whom he has had no interest in (think fat and ugly with acne), then maybe he'd understand what women are going through. in reality, he still has the power to turn them away if they get too aggressive, whereas women do not.

also, a lot of guys don't consider something like that sexual assault until it happens to their wife or gf. then it's fighting time.

and not to say you're making light of it clob, just irked me because i've had this exact conversation with level-headed individuals who think slapping a girl on the ass at the bar is alright because she was talking to them flirtatiously.

The guy wasn't saying it was alright. He was saying he didn't think it rose to the level of "assault." There is a difference between grabbing a girl's butt, and holding her down and raping her. I wouldn't agree that a guy should get 20 years in jail for grabbing a woman's butt. Have the cops arrest him and let him spend a night in jail? Sure, no problem. Convict him of a felony? No.
 

Ah, such a pretty ending, huh?

Go back and bring up the original complaint that was published by the Austin Police Dept. She said, she was begging them not to rape her, that she thought he was her friend, and why was he doing this terrible thing to her! She was gang raped and terrorized, according to her complaint. Please bring it up and post it on this thread. I dare you.

Now, what would cause her to testify that it was innocent and consensual, all of a sudden? Oh, big bucks, perhaps? Smacks of a big cover up, doesn't it, be honest.

Difference is, the Baylor criminals went to jail! Long sentence, 20 years for Elliot, and remember this happened in 2011. So ESPN felt it relevant all of a sudden the weekend before NSD? Yeah, got it.

Guys, don't point at the splinter in your neighbor's eye when you have a log in yours!
 
And this Sam U guy? Lie all you want, but Art Briles knew nothing about what he did at Boise.!

That is what Briles predictably says. But that is not at all what Boise officials say, nor is it what former Boise HC Peterson says. And one party has clear reason to lie, the other...not so much. I hope emails and texts expose it.


Guys, look in the mirror! Pot calling kettle black, huh? But, more than this? How about some sympathy and attention and focus to all these young ladies that attend Texas and aggy, how about some help and focus for them? These young women matter. We must all do all we can to help protect them! It is not about recruiting. It is not about winning football games!

Not even close. NO one is saying that sadly rape doesn't happen all over the place. But what you are saying is that systemic cover ups happen everywhere. That is NOT true. And to compare apples to hand grenades is simply embarrassing.
All so what. You can enable your U to keep covering up murders and rapes. This is why BU does this stuff. You blame others like the media and big bad Texas.....for your mistakes. And oh look a squirrel, I hope that kid can tackle a QB as fast as he rapes a girl. And you buy your HC lying. Yet again. Sad.

I wouldn't be this adamant. But your constant excuses and deflection is sickening. I was all for UT kicking out the kids they did. Meanwhile you are excusing yours and bringing up all sorts of stuff that doesn't pertain one bit. Instead you should be sending a letter to the school telling them how bad this is. I'd take action if UT had a systemic cover up or a JoePa incident. Not just go on blaming others and cheering the stuff.
 
Ah, such a pretty ending, huh?

Go back and bring up the original complaint that was published by the Austin Police Dept. She said, she was begging them not to rape her, that she thought he was her friend, and why was he doing this terrible thing to her! She was gang raped and terrorized, according to her complaint. Please bring it up and post it on this thread. I dare you.

Now, what would cause her to testify that it was innocent and consensual, all of a sudden? Oh, big bucks, perhaps? Smacks of a big cover up, doesn't it, be honest.

Difference is, the Baylor criminals went to jail! Long sentence, 20 years for Elliot, and remember this happened in 2011. So ESPN felt it relevant all of a sudden the weekend before NSD? Yeah, got it.

Guys, don't point at the splinter in your neighbor's eye when you have a log in yours!


You can't be this stupid.

UT not only kicked these kids out.


But they didn't cover the thing up. The kids lawyers might have down the line. But that has NOTHING to do with UT or our football program. What your school did was ignore the girls and cover it up so that it never even went to court and the kids could keep playing and made the girls leave. In multiple instances over years and years.

That is not our log to your splinter. Get a clue. You are sick. It is more like you set of an atomic bomb and are busy trying to blame China or Aliens for doing it, and the media for covering it all while having Big Red Motors shred some papers on it. Meanwhile someone in our camp tried to set off a grenade, so we tossed it outside.
 
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Ah, such a pretty ending, huh?

Go back and bring up the original complaint that was published by the Austin Police Dept. She said, she was begging them not to rape her, that she thought he was her friend, and why was he doing this terrible thing to her! She was gang raped and terrorized, according to her complaint. Please bring it up and post it on this thread. I dare you.

Now, what would cause her to testify that it was innocent and consensual, all of a sudden? Oh, big bucks, perhaps? Smacks of a big cover up, doesn't it, be honest.

Difference is, the Baylor criminals went to jail! Long sentence, 20 years for Elliot, and remember this happened in 2011. So ESPN felt it relevant all of a sudden the weekend before NSD? Yeah, got it.

Guys, don't point at the splinter in your neighbor's eye when you have a log in yours!
You are pretty much a joke. No one is on here saying bad things never happen at Texas......what we are saying is when it happens at Texas, as in the case of the 2 EX football players....they gone. At bailor they play. After 5 women complaining of your precious football player Tevin Elliot he was still playing. You brought in someone elses castoff and he does it again. bailor didn't even investigate till they absolutey had to! You can't be this dense? Maybe you are.
 
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Just wow! I can't wait for ESPN to do an Outside the Lines on Texas and aggy! Think about it. Based on the total number of females involved at Texas and aggy, that would equate to 9,000 sexual assaults on their campus's over 4 years.

9,000 sexual assaults!! Where are you ESPN? Oh, and I want you to do your OTL report the weekend before NSD again.

So, all you wonderful, moral, UT fans, what do you think of this report? How you gonna hide from this? You gonna point to Baylor, and go, but, but, well, they did it too!! oh my. What a bunch of loser hypocrites!

And don't say I'm trying to make light of the Elliot rapes at Baylor. Hell no! He got 20 years, and I think it should have been life! Of course, this happened in 2011, but okay, ESPN brings it up in 2015. Yeah, agenda?

And this Sam U guy? Lie all you want, but Art Briles knew nothing about what he did at Boise. And the Waco Police refused to file charges. And this happened in 2013, but our moral compass, our church, ESPN, they want to bring it up the weekend of NSD, for impact on recruiting? LOL! What would you do?

Oh, never mind, you UT folks would hire a UT lawyer, get a UT judge, and have the charges dropped, of course with some hush money to the victim, of course. Just like you did with that gang rape involving Kendal Sanders and his buddy. And the hush up and cover up of that McCoy QB, along with Hicks that LB, who assaulted this girl sexually at the Alamo Bowl, and hell, McCoy filmed it.!

Guys, look in the mirror! Pot calling kettle black, huh? But, more than this? How about some sympathy and attention and focus to all these young ladies that attend Texas and aggy, how about some help and focus for them? These young women matter. We must all do all we can to help protect them! It is not about recruiting. It is not about winning football games!

Now that you are done talking - none of what you said matters. This is a thread about Baylor and programs discussing what has been going on there. This stuff can happen anywhere, but currently it is being highlighted at YOUR school. Deal with it and move on, stop trying to ustify or explain it away by saying everyone else does it, etc etc. Demand change from your own school - a religious institution at that - and get your schools name out of the news for stuff like this. It is really simple isnt it?

And yes, we all have a responsibility to prevent these things and such - that goes without saying - but lets stay focused on what this thread is about shall we... Briles knew, and was willing to overlook everything until the story from ESPN detailing Baylors dirty laundry hit the fan, then you had the bullshit excuses being used by the fans etc to brush it off. Briles knew, as did more probably, but the kid was gonna help yall win... UNTIL his actions came to public eye. Im sure the Boise coaches told Briles what was up, but he just felt like the guy needed aother chance... trying the old Stoops philosophy, only he isnt as good as Stoops in quieting the storm. Plus it didnt help that the kid did it again afterwards. Im sure Briles knew and was willing to look the other way, but ater the kid did it again, it was just best interests of the coaches and the school to say they didnt know anything to distance themselves from any liability aspects.....

If you wanna be real about how big an issue this is everywhere, then at least be realistic about the fact Briles HAD to have known..... Div I coaches dont just pick up players kicked off teams and out of school without information behind it - they dont work that way, and in the end the kids that play in college affect the big dollars which is the business bottom line- these schools wanna know they are going to get a decent ROI on whoever they allow in, which means doing due dilligence on any payer/coach etc. To actually believe that Baylor brought in this great prospect that had been kicked out of school and off is other team, without finding out the whole story about what the deal was, is about the biggest marker of stupidity I have ever heard. Be realistic for once REALbear.... He knew - HAD to have known. That high profile of a talent,being kicked out of their old school....going to a bigger Div I team that happens to be a religious institution ofhigher learning..... Briles etc KNEW.... had this kid never messed up again, Briles would be boasting about taking him in and giving him a chance to succeed and fix his life too I bet.
 
Ah, such a pretty ending, huh?

Go back and bring up the original complaint that was published by the Austin Police Dept. She said, she was begging them not to rape her, that she thought he was her friend, and why was he doing this terrible thing to her! She was gang raped and terrorized, according to her complaint. Please bring it up and post it on this thread. I dare you.

Now, what would cause her to testify that it was innocent and consensual, all of a sudden? Oh, big bucks, perhaps? Smacks of a big cover up, doesn't it, be honest.

Difference is, the Baylor criminals went to jail! Long sentence, 20 years for Elliot, and remember this happened in 2011. So ESPN felt it relevant all of a sudden the weekend before NSD? Yeah, got it.

Guys, don't point at the splinter in your neighbor's eye when you have a log in yours!


God you are a moron. The response at UT was to kick both guys off the team and expel them from school. The issue with Baylor is a girl goes to the Admin and tells them that she has been raped can you help me out. They basically said no we can't do anything for you. That is what is going to get them into trouble and that is why when the civil suits come down they are going to settle. They could also run into issues with Title IX compliance which could lead to sanctions from the DOE.
 
Why does anyone respond to RealWearonyourpatience? He's a troll, he knows Baylor screwed up by covering it up otherwise he wouldn't go out of his way to say "look squirrel" with his links to UT. Just ignore him and he'll go away, kind of like that crying kid that wants attention and no one looks his or her way.
 
God you are a moron. The response at UT was to kick both guys off the team and expel them from school. The issue with Baylor is a girl goes to the Admin and tells them that she has been raped can you help me out. They basically said no we can't do anything for you. That is what is going to get them into trouble and that is why when the civil suits come down they are going to settle. They could also run into issues with Title IX compliance which could lead to sanctions from the DOE.
Speed you forgot that 6 girls went to the Admin. 6 about 1 guy! I mean who can't understand that?
 
The guy wasn't saying it was alright. He was saying he didn't think it rose to the level of "assault." There is a difference between grabbing a girl's butt, and holding her down and raping her. I wouldn't agree that a guy should get 20 years in jail for grabbing a woman's butt. Have the cops arrest him and let him spend a night in jail? Sure, no problem. Convict him of a felony? No.

agree. then track the number of times he does it. lots of sexual offenders start out small until they gain enough confidence to go further.

a big problem is a lot of men don't see something like this as warranting any kind of punishment. "boys will be boys" and all that.
 
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I just don't get it. How parents, more so the moms, can watch that video or read the articles that details what has transpired over the past 4 years and feel good about sending their kids to Baylor is beyond me. There is something seriously wrong with some of the student athletes that go to Baylor. Baseball team kills cats and then a basketball player kills his teammate, but as long as they are winning institutional control and responsibility be damned.
 
I just don't get it. How parents, more so the moms, can watch that video or read the articles that details what has transpired over the past 4 years and feel good about sending their kids to Baylor is beyond me. There is something seriously wrong with some of the student athletes that go to Baylor. Baseball team kills cats and then a basketball player kills his teammate, but as long as they are winning institutional control and responsibility be damned.
The key word is institutional. Baylor University is to blame. That lays at the feet of the President.
 
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