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BYU to Big 12? GLAAD says "H3LL NO"....

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I don't know how to copy and paste on my phone because I'm stoooopid or I put the link up.....but.... 25 gay and lesbian groups bonded together and sent a letter to the Big 12 demanding that they not consider adding BYU to our conference because Mormons are gay-phobic......

I has confuse. I don't recall any news stories of Mormons beating, stoning, decapitating, throwing from roof tops-- any gay people. Have you heard about any of that?
 
I don't know how to copy and paste on my phone because I'm stoooopid or I put the link up.....but.... 25 gay and lesbian groups bonded together and sent a letter to the Big 12 demanding that they not consider adding BYU to our conference because Mormons are gay-phobic......

I has confuse. I don't recall any news stories of Mormons beating, stoning, decapitating, throwing from roof tops-- any gay people. Have you heard about any of that?
I think the gay groups just want to make some type of point. Doesn't matter who gets invited, someone going to complain. Football is getting softer and softer. I remember when I was young. We had Jr high football in Corpus. I moved my Azz to California. Next thing I know, it's no Jr high football because these parents are raising their kids soft and complaining about their kids getting hurt. If you want your kids to play football. You have to put them in pop warner. Even in college and pro. You can't touch the QB without getting a flag. Now these gay groups are trying to get involved in college sports. The way our society going, we will be watching flag football in 25 years
 
Just trying to get their name in the news. BYU in or out of the big 12 isn't going to move the needle one way or the other for the gay and lesbian rights.
 
I don't know how to copy and paste on my phone because I'm stoooopid or I put the link up.....but.... 25 gay and lesbian groups bonded together and sent a letter to the Big 12 demanding that they not consider adding BYU to our conference because Mormons are gay-phobic......

I has confuse. I don't recall any news stories of Mormons beating, stoning, decapitating, throwing from roof tops-- any gay people. Have you heard about any of that?
Here you go.
http://sportsday.dallasnews.com/col...byus-lgbt-views-keep-source-serious-issue?f=r
 
This is a special kind of hate & hypocrisy and it's running rampant in our country at the moment. These groups who claim they want inclusion . . . and for everyone to 'just love one another' regardless of race, sex, orientation, etc. completely morph into monsters when others disagree with their lifestyle and political agenda. It never occurs to these people that there are valid reasons to disagree with their views. And they don't seek compromise or understanding . . . they're out to conquer.

We've gotten to a point in this country where those who disagree with the PC agenda of the left are targeted for destruction in various ways. In this case, the goal is financial suffering and the target is BYU . . . a religious institution of higher learning. All because they hold themselves to a different level of personal conduct than the LGBT folks. This cancer has to be stopped or we're going to be in big trouble very soon.

It never ceases to amaze me how these types of special interest groups, right or left, always seem to overreach and overplay their hand. Just because the majority of the hetero community agreed that they should be permitted to marry and enjoy the full rights that marriage brings under the law . . . . does not mean that same community supports the damaging of those individuals and religious institutions who disagree with them having those rights.

I usually don't comment on Politics on this board but this story really got me pissed. The politics of destruction has to end on both sides of the aisle!

My 2 cents
 
Last I recall, any form of sex by single individuals that are enrolled at BYU and unmarried is forbidden.


Sooooo by that rationale, nobody gets to have sex out of wedlock. Sounds a bit extreme, but they are saying EVERY ONE is included in that rule. Gay and straight.
 
This is a special kind of hate & hypocrisy and it's running rampant in our country at the moment. These groups who claim they want inclusion . . . and for everyone to 'just love one another' regardless of race, sex, orientation, etc. completely morph into monsters when others disagree with their lifestyle and political agenda. It never occurs to these people that there are valid reasons to disagree with their views. And they don't seek compromise or understanding . . . they're out to conquer.

We've gotten to a point in this country where those who disagree with the PC agenda of the left are targeted for destruction in various ways. In this case, the goal is financial suffering and the target is BYU . . . a religious institution of higher learning. All because they hold themselves to a different level of personal conduct than the LGBT folks. This cancer has to be stopped or we're going to be in big trouble very soon.

It never ceases to amaze me how these types of special interest groups, right or left, always seem to overreach and overplay their hand. Just because the majority of the hetero community agreed that they should be permitted to marry and enjoy the full rights that marriage brings under the law . . . . does not mean that same community supports the damaging of those individuals and religious institutions who disagree with them having those rights.

I usually don't comment on Politics on this board but this story really got me pissed. The politics of destruction has to end on both sides of the aisle!

My 2 cents

Totally agree. Tossed in my 2 cents on this in the expansion thread a little while ago.

It is the evolution of interest groups. At first they just want acceptance and usually only respond in defense and to fight for their rights against openly hateful opposition. Eventually they win and their new platform becomes being hateful themselves towards all that oppose them. When they reach this point, they are no better than the groups that hate on them.

Black lives matter started to say that a particular race needed to have less hate towards them and wanted equal ground. It is devolving in to a hate group that wants to kill police. Eventually it might morp to be as bad as the KKK (not literally but in terms of just being hateful and not focusing on acceptance but morphing in to hate).
Now LGTB has gone from wanting tolerance towards their cause, to preaching intolerance of others. You can't cross that line, or else you become a hate group yourself.


And what the hell does football have to do at all with their cause of wanting marriage or bathroom equality? Nothing.

Stop the hate.
 
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I don't understand either. I've spent around 45 minutes trying to find one prominent member if the Mormon church that has ever said a single harsh word publicly about the LGBT community--- and they haven't.

Is it because of their religious beliefs? If so, I've got another well known religion that straight up despises the gay community----- Maybe they should focus on some of those people.
 
Others have spoken well of the danger of those seeking acceptance only to morph into hate groups themselves forcibly demanding that others give up their beliefs. Is this where Rodney King comes in and utters his famous words? I don't think so. What I think is that we all need to take stock of how important our own liberties are and decide we're not going to go the pc route and kowtow to these threats of intimidation.
 
I agree. Not that I think BYU would bring in the amount of revenue to the conference that a clemson or Florida state would- but what's to prevent groups like these from dictating who the Big 12 DOES bring in? Using politically charged rhetoric to intimidate a conference as to whom they should and should not allow membership to, is bullsh!t. This is an academic, financial and sports driven decision. If you give in to political rhetoric NOW, you're then, by proxy, forced to do it again later. What happens when Florida state decides to bail on the ACC for whatever reason, and then a protest group that is against the use of native American mascots comes in and objects? Cow tow to them as well?

I think they should focus on the REAL organizations that truly do discriminate against them. It seems today like everyone has a cause.......I don't get it.
 
You know regardless of how gay rights activists feel I seriously doubt BYU will ever join a P5 conference. As a Mormon I do follow the school and I don't think the school really wants to join a P5 they really aren't committed to it. That's why Bronco Mendenhall left for the hc job at Virginia.
 
You know regardless of how gay rights activists feel I seriously doubt BYU will ever join a P5 conference. As a Mormon I do follow the school and I don't think the school really wants to join a P5 they really aren't committed to it. That's why Bronco Mendenhall left for the hc job at Virginia.

I think they do in a bad way, maybe not church leadership, but fans and alumni sure do. I'm good friends with a former BYU player named Derwin Gray he is pretty connected with the program and they feel the future of the program depends on getting into a P5 conference.
 
You know regardless of how gay rights activists feel I seriously doubt BYU will ever join a P5 conference. As a Mormon I do follow the school and I don't think the school really wants to join a P5 they really aren't committed to it. That's why Bronco Mendenhall left for the hc job at Virginia.
Back in the "ole days of the WAC", BYU was who pretty much carried the conference. They were the team everybody wanted to beat. They had there own TV coverage of all of their games for the fans back home could watch them. Being from El Paso I root for the home team Miners. BYU isn't necessarilly what many of us think as a P5 school, but, they do have a strong infrastructure that would make them a decent all around athletic school to any conference. I am not necessarily a fan of them coming to the B12 but, they are as strong a candidate thany any others I have heard.
 
What I'm referring to is the University leadership. Or to put it another way, the church leadership itself. You have 15 men in Salt Lake City. There is the President of the Church and he has two counselors and that is what we refer to as the First Presidency. Then you have 12 more men who are referred to as the 12 Apostles. And these 15 men for all intents and purposes make all the decisions concerning BYU. I don't think there's enough voices in this group to advocate joining a P5 conference.

You have to understand that even for Mormons BYU is an acquired taste. I'm sure there are a lot of outstanding Mormon athletes in fb and hoops at other colleges who didn't want to go there. None of my children went there and I was fine with that. Along with schools like Notre Dame and Baylor, BYU is one of the 10 most religious schools in the country. But not everyone who goes to ND or Baylor is Catholic or Baptist. However 98% of the student body at BYU is Mormon and that's not an exaggeration. The same goes with the faculty. A lot of Mormons have to work on Sunday but a lot of Mormons won't work on Sunday because of religious beliefs and a lot of these people are inflexible about this matter.

I can't see that happening.
 
If you look at the 4 schools that left the Big 12. I'd rank BYU on par with Aggsy when it comes to Academics and ahead of the other 3. Football wise, I'd put them below Nebraska and on par with with aggsy but well ahead of Colorado and Missouri. Comparing football stadiums, Aggsy and Nebraska are well ahead of BYU, not sure about Missouri or Colorado.

Fan Support is right up there with Aggsy but below Nebraska, and well ahead of Missouri and Colorado. TV market I'd put them above all 4 due to the Utah, Idaho markets but also because of their following in California, Arizona and even here in Texas. 15 million LDS church members a good portion of which follow BYU football.
 
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I like the Mormons. They seem to place a premium on being nice, thus their complete rejection of Trump. Seem like a good group to me.
 
I like the Mormons. They seem to place a premium on being nice, thus their complete rejection of Trump. Seem like a good group to me.
Not according to GLAAD and other groups in the LGBT community. According to them the Mormons are hatemongers who ridicule gay members of society with their pious rules and regulations.

Or maybe that's just 25 gay organizations that are looking to get headlines so they can remain relevant in their own eyes because the general public is slowly forgetting about them for one reason or another. Kinda like what a diva does..... or Justin beiber...or johnny manziel.... Wait- those two are divas-- my bad.
 
My Cousin is a Texas Ex. She is also part of the LGBT community and was a golfer at UT. Fact is she went to football games as a freshmen, but almost never after her first year.

I'm not saying she is the rule or even the norm, but I'm not sure the LGBT community really cares about football enough to worry about their opinion? Especially if BYU wouldn't be part of the Big 12 in other sports to begin with.
 
My biggest concern about BYU isn't about political views, religious beliefs or even social acceptance. My biggest concern is we have West Virginia way out on the East coast and adding BYU makes their travel expense go from bad to worse. They might as well be in Hawaii.

If we allow WVU to move to say the ACC then I would say add BYU and Boise State and even Fresno state or San Diego State Colorado State or Wyoming. But as long as our conference has WVU we need to look to adding schools that help them in their travels.
 
Not according to GLAAD and other groups in the LGBT community. According to them the Mormons are hatemongers who ridicule gay members of society with their pious rules and regulations.

Or maybe that's just 25 gay organizations that are looking to get headlines so they can remain relevant in their own eyes because the general public is slowly forgetting about them for one reason or another. Kinda like what a diva does..... or Justin beiber...or johnny manziel.... Wait- those two are divas-- my bad.
Or maybe they just want to live their lives without being persecuted. It's not some PC agenda they're trying to shove down everyone's throats. They're not demanding that the majority give up their beliefs. Just mind your own damn business and they don't want to add people that aren't going to do that. It's not the same as a ban on hetero couples having sex btw. Hetero couples are at least allowed to touch each other at BYU.

Just some thoughts that won't convince anyone of anything I'm sure.
 
Or maybe they just want to live their lives without being persecuted. It's not some PC agenda they're trying to shove down everyone's throats. They're not demanding that the majority give up their beliefs. Just mind your own damn business and they don't want to add people that aren't going to do that. It's not the same as a ban on hetero couples having sex btw. Hetero couples are at least allowed to touch each other at BYU.

Just some thoughts that won't convince anyone of anything I'm sure.
Scholz now not all of that is true. Hetero couples, unless they are married, will be kicked out of school for sexual contact. That's a fact. BYU allows zero sexual contact out of wedlock.

But you're missing my point--- my point is, there are 5000 other extreme groups out there that kill, maime, overtly harass, and openly persecute members of the gay community. The last time I checked, the Mormons weren't "hurting" anyone from that community.
And the Big 12, as an organization, should not cow tow to groups that try and dictate academic and athletic endeavors especially if those they are targeting have zero history of violence toward them. This is a "pick your battles" issue and I can think of much more deserving and justified battles for the gay community to focus on. Also, when activist groups start targeting communities that don't need to be targeted, and give a pass to other communities that SHOULD be targeted (or religions in this case) They lose a certain amount of credibility.
Of the Big 12 sees fit to add BYU to its conference, that is an academic, athletic and financial decision. If BYU had a history of persecuting or openly discriminating against the gay community, then I'd say "ya, we dont want BYU"---- but they don't. Like you said, Mormons are nice folks and I see it as ridiculous that the LGBT community would choose to target them. I see it as grandstanding and honestly, I'm disappointed in them for their show of apparent hubris. Don't fight this battle, fight the fights that need fighting.
 
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