Do OSU and Michigan deserve to go the playoffs?

[Iitbhorn3]

I say.....Hell NO.

For all the noise about the importance of having Conference Championship games, and how the Big 12 is at a disadvantage for not having one.....

Time for the other conferences to honor their championship games.....

I you do not win ( or worse do not make it the game), you should be out of consideration for the playoffs. I can understand maybe a second team from the conference making it ONLY if the conference champion makes it.

 

[Bama_Teacher_inTX]

I say.....Hell NO.

For all the noise about the importance of having Conference Championship games, and how the Big 12 is at a disadvantage for not having one.....

Time for the other conferences to honor their championship games.....

I you do not win ( or worse do not make it the game), you should be out of consideration for the playoffs. I can understand maybe a second team from the conference making it ONLY if the conference champion makes it.

Conference championships can sometimes be overrated. If OSU doesn't deserve to be in the playoff, than OU certainly doesn't considering they couldn't hang with them on their home field. Michigan should not be in the playoffs, but Ohio State absolutely should be.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

It's messy, but I strongly favor having what appear to be the four best teams play. That group is not always coterminous with the group of the four best conference champions.

 

[ryan_sublett]

If we're serious about putting in the 4 best teams then it's Bama, OSU, Clemson, Michigan. And it's not even that close IMO.

The problem with what we're doing now is though that the conference championship matters for some teams but doesn't for others. I think everyone needs to be playing by the same rules.

 

[cml7374]

^^^^^^^^^ opinion doesn't matter

 

[jxnhorn]

To me ,it needs to be conference champions...

If you want to use the eyeball test then tOSU is better thanPenn St and Michigan is better than tOSU. even though on field head to head proves otherwise.

 

[jxnhorn]

Conference champions would take a lot of the opinions out of the equation other than who is the best 5 out of 5 CC.

 

[jxnhorn]

4 out of 5 CC

 

[ryan_sublett]

Here is another problem the committee has. For the last couple years they have been telling schools to go out and play people. They are proving they don't mean that. OU would probably be in the playoffs over Washington had they played UTEP instead of Houston.

 

[jxnhorn]

That's when you decide who is the most deserving CC.

 

[Bama_Teacher_inTX]

If Wisconsin wins tonight, I would put them in over Washington. Washington played a Bayloresque schedule. Wisconsin has a non conference win over LSU. If you don't play any Power 5 schools and don't go undefeated, I don't think you should get in.

 

[ryan_sublett]

That's when you decide who is the most deserving CC.

That right there is what's going to get us 8 teams. There is going to be a year when something like this happens

SEC-13-0
ACC12-1
Big 10-13-0
Big 12 12-1
PAC 12 12-1
And someone is going to get left out. I personally don't think you can leave out a conference(which at least 1 will be every year) and call it a fair system.

 

[outhereincali]

No the only Big X team that deserves to be in the playoffs this year is tOSU. The honorable thing would be for PS to be in the playoffs but regardless of head to head competition the Buckeyes were the Big X's best this year. They lost to PS on a blocked fg that was run back for a td. In other words a fluke. MI is going to be in a NYS bowl, and rightfully so, probably the Orange Bowl against either LV or FSU. The PS/WI winner will play in the RB against probably SC.

College fb is in a world where losing head to head or not winning your conference may not matter. Rember when the title game had Bama/LSU even though Bama had lost to LSU in the regular season? Get used to it's going to happen.

 

[jxnhorn]

How is OSU the only deserving team ? They needed double OT to win at home, while being given a favorable spot on 4th down. Beating a 3 win MSU because they went for two... needing OT to beat Wisconsin.... while losing to PSU who won the division that they are in. COnference champion would help resolve biased opinions.

Win you're conference and you should be ahead of the other guys in your conference. The OOC schedule plus the strength of your conference will determine the 4th spot vs 5th spot.

Otherwise, it seems like the Committee will change the criteria to fit their agenda.

 

[ryan_sublett]

If your going to have a playoff there has to be set bench marks. It can't be a moving target every week or every year

 

[outhereincali]

Well so far the last two game have'nt been very good either. WI appears headed to a blowout victory. Clemson is ahead by 7 at halftime.

 

[outhereincali]

Well so far the last two game have'nt been very good either. WI appears headed to a blowout victory. Clemson is ahead by 7 at halftime.

Correction. PS has stormed back to tie the game. They're throwing the ball downfield and looking good doing it. Also their running game is starting to pick up. And while the other game won't be a blowout it appears that Clemson will win.

 

[ryan_sublett]

if only we had hired Franklih instead of Strong 3 years ago.

 

[outhereincali]

Ok well the games are finally over and the last two games turned out to be good games. You know who I think has the looked the least impressive among the top 4 is Clemson. They got it done when they needed it you have to say that for them. But tonight, and their other signature victories, FSU, and LV were very close

WA won their biggest game of the year at the best possible time last night.

Bama need I say anything more

And then we have the Big X. You know I remember a few years ago when we had that three way tie with OK and TT and OK got taken over us. What I learned from that was is not who you lose to it's when you lose it. OK had theirs the earliest and therefore the pollsters didn't remember it they just remember the most recent ones. So PS lost their two games in early Oct. Then tOSU lost their game a few weeks later. Then MI lost two of their last three and WI lost tonight. The way this will shake down tomorrow is WI will not be in an NYS bowl game. I honestly think tOSU will be the Big X's playoff team. But it all depends on who the Big X reps on the pc want to put in the playoff. How will they vote? Will it be who has the best chance to win the nc? Do they dislike someone from PS or tOSU? Or will they actually award as to who they think is the best team. Hard to tell with this bunch. The Big X has had a great season maybe their best top to bottom season ever. I think they'll go with tOSU. It's not a matter of going with the blue bloods because PS has regained their blue blood status. But I do think that because the SEC and the Big X dominate the pc they will slide tOSU down to 4 to insure a Bama/tOSU matchup in the first round to insure that one of their teams will be in the title game. And when you think of it it's Clemson that deserves to be number 4 they were the least impressive not just tonight but the whole season.

It should be

Bama
tOSU
WA
Clemson

but it will probably be
Bama
Clemson
WA
tOSU


find out soon enough

 

[outhereincali]

Just for fun who I think the NYS bowl games will be

The Fiesta and Peach Bowl games are the playoff games but they haven't announced which one is the 1/4 and which one is the 2/3

The Cotton Bowl is at large
Western Michigan/West Virginia or OSU

The Orange Bowl is
Michigan/Louisville

The Rose Bowl would rather eat 2000 ft of wet cow dung than not have a Big X/Pac XII matchup
Penn State/SC

The Sugar Bowl is
Oklahoma/FSU*

*Barry Alvarez is the WI ad and is one of the two most influential members on the pc don't underestimate his ability to find a way to get WI in over the Noles.

Finally I don't think there is no way the SEC is going to get a second team in an NYS bowl game. They're a ruthless bunch, they resemble the Lyndon Johnson school of arm twisting so were going to have to wait and see.

 

[wadster]

If CC is the only thing that matters, then non-conf is irrelevant. It doesn't work that way in baseball, not in basket ball, so why should it in football. PSU has one more loss then OSU. That matters. If the teams had the same record, then PSU goes. But they DON'T have the same record. If Colorado would have beaten Texas in the CCG in 05, and you had a 4 team playoff, do they go instead of us? This only the conference champion in the playoffs discussion has too many holes. You have to look at all 12 games or why play them?

 

[westx]

Ok well the games are finally over and the last two games turned out to be good games. You know who I think has the looked the least impressive among the top 4 is Clemson. They got it done when they needed it you have to say that for them. But tonight, and their other signature victories, FSU, and LV were very close

WA won their biggest game of the year at the best possible time last night.

Bama need I say anything more

And then we have the Big X. You know I remember a few years ago when we had that three way tie with OK and TT and OK got taken over us. What I learned from that was is not who you lose to it's when you lose it. OK had theirs the earliest and therefore the pollsters didn't remember it they just remember the most recent ones. So PS lost their two games in early Oct. Then tOSU lost their game a few weeks later. Then MI lost two of their last three and WI lost tonight. The way this will shake down tomorrow is WI will not be in an NYS bowl game. I honestly think tOSU will be the Big X's playoff team. But it all depends on who the Big X reps on the pc want to put in the playoff. How will they vote? Will it be who has the best chance to win the nc? Do they dislike someone from PS or tOSU? Or will they actually award as to who they think is the best team. Hard to tell with this bunch. The Big X has had a great season maybe their best top to bottom season ever. I think they'll go with tOSU. It's not a matter of going with the blue bloods because PS has regained their blue blood status. But I do think that because the SEC and the Big X dominate the pc they will slide tOSU down to 4 to insure a Bama/tOSU matchup in the first round to insure that one of their teams will be in the title game. And when you think of it it's Clemson that deserves to be number 4 they were the least impressive not just tonight but the whole season.

It should be

Bama
tOSU
WA
Clemson

but it will probably be
Bama
Clemson
WA
tOSU
tOSU

find out soon enough

I can't argue any of what you wrote. My personal preference is a guaranteed Saban vs Meyer match up. Thus, I like the second scenario. All these coaches are good for that matter.

 

[outhereincali]

I can't argue any of what you wrote. My personal preference is a guaranteed Saban vs Meyer match up. Thus, I like the second scenario. All these coaches are good for that matter.

What I would like to see is my first lineup. Since the PB is in Atlanta you could have a Bama/Clemson matchup and it would be huge. It would be a guaranteed sell out, two schools close to Atlanta, local interest would be huge, a rematch of last year's title game, it would be certain to be an improvement in ratings from last year.

The other is WA/tOSU this sounds like a RB match up. Well not quite but they'll be just one state east of Pasadena.

 

[westx]

What I would like to see is my first lineup. Since the PB is in Atlanta you could have a Bama/Clemson matchup and it would be huge.

I also would love to see a guaranteed match up from last year with bama/clemson. I didn't remember about a rematch game. I change my preference to Bama/Clemson at 1&4, and Bama/tOSU at 1&4 as my second preference. I don't think either will happen, but, l can be hopeful. BTW, I am not buying Penn State. They are good, but, not that good. Depending on the match up, they may even lose their bowl game (my prediction).

 

[ekal48]

I say leave Washington out.

If the committee is serious about teams scheduling up, that's the way to send that message.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I say leave Washington out.

If the committee is serious about teams scheduling up, that's the way to send that message.

They aren't serious. Unless it fits their argument. That's why this whole thing is a sham.

 

[westx]

So, if we were to get our wish of 8 team playoff, would it look like this?
1. Bama SEC champs
2. Clemson ACC champs
3. Penn St Big10 champs
4. Washington Pac12 champs
5. OU Big12 champs

At Large (2 bids)
6. tOSU
7. Michigan ?

Group of 5
?

I would prefer that we have no more than 2 teams per conference represented in the playoffs. With no legitimate Group of 5 team, maybe it should be top 6.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

How the hell does this committee Look PSU in the face and tell them that it doesn't matter that you won the B1G it doesn't matter beat OSU, they are more deserving than you so you they are going to get in and you arent. And if they let Michigan in over Washington, then this whole thing needs to be blown up. I'm sorry but the committee is shit and needs to be done away with.

Just reminds me of 2008 when Texas got bent over by system and Oklahoma went to the championship game in their place.

There is only one way justice will prevail and that is if Bama beats the shit out of everyone. Then none of this will matter.

 

[swVAHorn]

How the hell does this committee Look PSU in the face and tell them that it doesn't matter that you won the B1G it doesn't matter beat OSU, they are more deserving than you so you they are going to get in and you arent. And if they let Michigan in over Washington, then this whole thing needs to be blown up. I'm sorry but the committee is shit and needs to be done away with.

Just reminds me of 2008 when Texas got bent over by system and Oklahoma went to the championship game in their place.

There is only one way justice will prevail and that is if Bama beats the shit out of everyone. Then none of this will matter.

I get your point. But IF the right teams were in the playoff MAYBE Bama doesn't win? The playoff needs to expand and at least the best four teams would be included......you would hope so anyway. Go to 16 would be my pref.

 

[outhereincali]

If they decide to go to a 8 team playoff then the conference championship games need to be done away with.

And another thing they need to do away with the pc. It's made up mostly of ad's and former coaches from the south, the SEC, and the Big X. For some they added a former general, secretary of state, and a USA today sportswriter. I say blow it up and replace it with two former players, from each P5 conference, and 3 reps from at large schools, for example schools like Houston, Boise State etc. That way all conferences will have equal representation.

 

[Pumpedup55]

Washington is overrated. Out of conference was a joke. They'll get blown out by Bama. I think Penn State should be in over them.

 

[oldschoolcat]

If you are going to have a conference championship game, and said winner has a head to head victory over another team in question....you absolutely MUST give it to the conference champion. END OF STORY.

If you do not, the conference championship game should go away.

 

[ryan_sublett]

The problem isn't bias on the committee or even the committee in general. The problem is there is no criteria so everyone is left to do their own thing. Strength of schedule matters till it doesn't., conference titles matter till they don't. If you are going to say strength of schedule matters you have to be willing to,put a two loss Michigan in over a Washington. If conference titles matter you gotta put in penn State over Ohio state.

You can't have a legit playoff if how you get in to,the playoff is a myestry and moves every year. I think you have to go to 8 teams take the 5 champs and 3 at large. The current system also doesn't allow teams to improve. Like Penn State. They are a better football team today than they were in September. Same with teams like USC and OU, but because they took a loss or two early they are out. Time to go to 8 teams and get some structure to this

 

[ekal48]

Strength of schedule and conference championships should be the most heavily weighted factors. SOS is difficult because what once looked good may not look so good at the end of the season. But still, no Incarnate Word or Prairie View for teams that want to play in the Championship.

High profile OOC games are what sets college football apart from other sports.

 

[ryan_sublett]

Lol Hulcutt just said OU didn't get close because of defense. So now it's not about schedule, wins, etc it's about individual sides of the ball lol