Does Jimmy Johnson deserve to be in the NFL HOF?

[outhereincali]

I believe that a coach, unlike the players, is eligible one year after he retires. If that's the case than Jimmy Johnson has been eligible for 16 years.

The man was beyond arrogant. The man was beyond conceited, the man was even beyond insufferable. He is the most conceited coach I've ever seen. The man didn't just gloat when he won, he dissed the other team, sometimes the other coach I mean he was even quoted saying those things. I'm referring to Marv Levy when his cowboy teams beat the bills in the SB's. But Marv Levy is in the HOF and Jimmy Johnson isn't. Oh the irony of it all. He was at his worst when his dolphin team beat the patriots in a playoff game. That was the year Doug Flutie was playing well and he had a line of food products where the proceeds when to an autism foundation. Flutie has a son with autism. Anyway after the game he took a box Flutie Flakes and spilled it on the floor then the players stomped on it. It was caught on camera and while it didn't show if JJ took part in the stomping people inside the locker room said he did. After he coached the Cowboys he went to Miami for a few years and did nothing special. You know there are times when players, coaches or owners can be so arrogant, so unlikable that they will be kept out of the HOF. Examples include Jerry Kramer, a guard on the Vince Lombardi Packer teams. The legendary owner of the Oakland Raiders, Al Davis, was kept out for a long time before he got inducted. Needless to say I don't have a vote in the HOF.

But if I did I would say no. Btw, Jerry Jones and Terrell Owens are also eligible and I say no to both, especially TO.

 

[Belldozer1]

No doubt in my mind Jimmy Johnson should be in the HOF. I was born in Dallas. Grew up in the 70's obviously a huge fan of Landry. Like most Cowboy fans I felt betrayed etc. when and how Landry was dismissed. But, Jimmy Johnson came in and went on a tear and I believe could have won multiple other super bowls if he and Jones could have gotten along.

 

[diadevic]

Yes.

 

[LonghornMM]

Absolutely, yes. No brainer.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I would think so. Maybe his tenure in Miami has kind of tainted his legacy a bit. Not saying that's fair but it might be hurting him.

 

[bubba2023]

I would say yes to both him and TO. I don't give a crap about personalities.

 

[outhereincali]

I would think so. Maybe his tenure in Miami has kind of tainted his legacy a bit. Not saying that's fair but it might be hurting him.

I'm sure that his time with Miami has something to do with it. But there is precedent that shows that the HOF committee has kept people out because of being arrogant, unlikable, etc....

What do you think about Jerry Jones or Terrell Owens?

 

[outhereincali]

But for all I said at the top of thread I'll be the first one to acknowledge that he had a great run in Dallas. I will never understand how he and Jerry managed to ruin such a good thing.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I'm sure that his time with Miami has something to do with it. But there is precedent that shows that the HOF committee has kept people out because of being arrogant, unlikable, etc....

What do you think about Jerry Jones or Terrell Owens?

TO is a no brainer. I think Jerry Jones is a big reason the league is where it is today, so I think you have to put him in.

 

[bubba2023]

I would think so. Maybe his tenure in Miami has kind of tainted his legacy a bit. Not saying that's fair but it might be hurting him.

I think it's just longevity hurting him. He retired early and that's what is held against him. Even without adding more SBs if he would have just hung around longer with moderate success he would have the longevity box checked and likely a shoe in.

 

[outhereincali]

I would say yes to both him and TO. I don't give a crap about personalities.

Well all the HOF's have men with questionable character, questionable personalities. A classic example is the legendary baseball player Ty Cobb. Even 89 years after his last game he is still one of the top 5 baseball players of all time. But he is alleged to have beaten a man to death, making his spikes razor sharp and more. And yet he was the first bb player inducted into the HOF.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I think it's just longevity hurting him. He retired early and that's what is held against him. Even without adding more SBs if he would have just hung around longer with moderate success he would have the longevity box checked and likely a shoe in.

I think the fact that Barry switzer won after he left probably hurts him. Even though he built the team

 

[bubba2023]

Well all the HOF's have men with questionable character, questionable personalities. A classic example is the legendary baseball player Ty Cobb. Even 89 years after his last game he is still one of the top 5 baseball players of all time. But he is alleged to have beaten a man to death, making his spikes razor sharp and more. And yet he was the first bb player inducted into the HOF.

There is the hypocrisy and there is the fact that a lot of voters are just narcissists on a power trip. I'd like to keep them in the corner as much as possible.

 

[Cotton #12]

But for all I said at the top of thread I'll be the first one to acknowledge that he had a great run in Dallas. I will never understand how he and Jerry managed to ruin such a good thing.

Vain egos by both men,Jimmy built the team by his drafting and coaching.Jerry felt he was not getting enough credit and disliked Jimmy because of it.Jerry was not going to take a backseat to Jimmy.

 

[outhereincali]

Vain egos by both men,Jimmy built the team by his drafting and coaching.Jerry felt he was not getting enough credit and disliked Jimmy because of it.Jerry was not going to take a backseat to Jimmy.

The big bone of contention was that before the Cowboys first SB win Jerry made a trade for Thomas Everett a db for the Steelers. Jerry wanted credit from Jimmy but Jimmy does not give credit to anyone it's one of his character defects. When he went to the Dolphins, Wayne Huizenga promised him complete control which is what JJ wanted. It didn't work out as well. He didn't do all the drafting like all coaches he relied on his scouts.

And Jerry is a frustrated coach. He got even in a way. He said 15 other coaches could have won with the Cowboys talent and when they won a SB with Barry Switzer as the coach. Then Jerry took over completely. But he didn't improve the talent and then some of the Cowboys were out of control off the field and they haven't even made the conference championship game in 21 years.

When you coach the Cowboys the first thing you need to realize is that Jerry Jones runs things. He's an Al Davis wanna be.

 

[outhereincali]

And who knows maybe doing national tv commercials for Extends has humbled Jimmy

 

[outhereincali]

Well the NFL HOF class of 2017 has been announced and once again Jimmy Johnson and Terrell Owens were not voted in. Sometimes you can be arrogant and unlikable, Al Davis, and still get in. Other times, JJ, TO and I believe Bill Parcells get left out.

Ladainian Tomlinson was inducted in his first year and rightfully so. Kurt Warner got in on his third year and I don't understand why he wasn't inducted his first year.

And I don't understand why Jerry Jones got in. But maybe there's something I don't know. I wonder how Jimmy and Terrell feel about their former boss getting in and they didn't.

 

[oldhorn2]

What did TO do to get in the HOF?...Kurt Warner?...I dont know about that either..Jerry Jones?...How in hell did he get in?...Jimmy Johnson won 2 super bowls...is that enough?

Football isnt like baseball. Careers are much shorter. Yeah...Jimmy did enough to get there.

 

[LonghornMM]

Jerry Jones, as an owner, won three Super Bowls. Also, he gets mad respect from the other owners as being a pioneer for the NFL and has made those of that fraternity a lot of money. I think it's justifiable that Jerry makes the HOF, as well as Jimmy Johnson. T.O.'s stats are pretty impressive. He should get serious consideration as well.

 

[outhereincali]

What did TO do to get in the HOF?...Kurt Warner?...I dont know about that either..Jerry Jones?...How in hell did he get in?...Jimmy Johnson won 2 super bowls...is that enough?

Football isnt like baseball. Careers are much shorter. Yeah...Jimmy did enough to get there.

KW won a SB for the Rams when they were in St. Louis and was in two more where his teams lost in very close games. Imo, the most impressive thing he did in his career was getting the Arizona Cardinals in the SB. They have been losers for more than 60 years, and they have the worst owner in the NFL. And were it not for a great catch with less than 60 seconds to go they would have won. So yeah he deserves it.

 

[clob94]

Jerra, for all his obvious guffaws and flaws, was just a big enough bullsh!t artist to get deals done for the NFL that made the owners and the front office of the league a sh!t ton of money. Make no mistake, Jerra isnt getting in because he's been a great ambassador of football, he's getting in because of the money train he helped create.

 

[outhereincali]

Jerra, for all his obvious guffaws and flaws, was just a big enough bullsh!t artist to get deals done for the NFL that made the owners and the front office of the league a sh!t ton of money. Make no mistake, Jerra isnt getting in because he's been a great ambassador of football, he's getting in because of the money train he helped create.

I'm telling ya that Cowboy Stadium or whatever they call it is ridiculous. I mean you have to pay for everything except going to the toilet. For a family of four I'll bet it's at least $500, probably more, to go to one game.

So now that Jerry is in the hof and Jimmy isn't it wouldn't surprise me if Jerry goes all out and lobbies to get Jimmy in the hof. In his mind he won the battle over who gets in first. And with that victory he can lobby for Jimmy to get in and remind him for the rest of his life that he wouldn't have gotten in if it hadn't been for him.

 

[oldhorn2]

more like he would lobby to keep him out. Jerra still smarts over the idea that it was JJ that made the cowboys great......which is true by the way.

 

[Belldozer1]

Dang, I just realized that Marv Levy is in the HOF but Jimmy Johnson isn't? Now Levy was obviously a good enough coach to get to the SB 4 times but it just doesn't make sense that Johnson isn't. Those lists are so subjective. I was scrolling through the different positions of players in the HOF and I saw the list for tight ends and as a Cowboy fan back in the day, I would have taken a Jay Novecek over several of the guys in there, or a Brent Jones from the 49'ers

 

[UT1997]

Tom Flores and George Seifert also won multiple Super Bowls, but aren't in the HOF. Not sure if Tom Coughlin or Mike Shanahan are officially retired and/or eligible, but both also have multiple rings. So JJ isn't alone by any means. Dan Reeves lost 4 Super Bowls, but had a long and successful coaching career (like Bud Grant), and he's not in either.

 

[DC3.0ppg]

it is the opinion of some on this board that being above average for a extended period of time is more deserving of being in halls of fame than excellence over a short period.

 

[bubba2023]

it is the opinion of some on this board that being above average for a extended period of time is more deserving of being in halls of fame than excellence over a short period.

I think the voters definitely feel that way as far as coaches go. I think average is a bit harsh, as I doubt many of these guys had average careers, but certainly for coaching they favor longevity vs short careers.

 

[DC3.0ppg]

was referencing a different thread.

 

[ellissooner]

But for all I said at the top of thread I'll be the first one to acknowledge that he had a great run in Dallas. I will never understand how he and Jerry managed to ruin such a good thing.

Ego both weren't willing to share the glory. Of course free agency and salary cap which also hurt the Cowboys. Of course if they could've worked it out Dallas might have won 3 Super Bowls in a row.