Durham: DNC lawyer Marc Elias has given grand jury testimony
Today, Special Counsel John Durham provided a “discovery Update” to the court in the Michael Sussmann case. In this filing, available here, he disclosed that his team has obtained a tremendous amount of information ranging from a variety of sources – including Perkins Coie, the Hillary Clinton Campaign, and former DNC/Clinton lawyer Mark Elias.
While Sussmann has been charged with giving false statements to then-FBI General Counsel James Baker regarding the Alfa Bank/Trump Organization hoax (background here), Durham notes that the “Government also maintains an active, ongoing criminal investigation of” Sussmann’s conduct.
Now, to the evidence. Durham and his team have secured grand jury testimony from:
- Former Perkins Coie partner, and DNC/Hillary Clinton lawyer Marc Elias.
- Former FBI General Counsel James Baker
- Current CIA employees
- Former FBI General Counsel James Baker
- More than 24 other current and former FBI employees.
- Current and former employees of the CIA and DARPA.
- 12 Employees of the “internet companies” referenced in the Sussmann indictment.
- The former chairman of DNC/Clinton law firm Perkins Coie.
- A former employee of the Clinton campaign.
- Current and former employees of Georgia Tech (involved in the Alfa Hoax).
- An employee of “Tech Executive-1” – aka Rodney Joffe, a Sussmann client who assisted with the Alfa Bank hoax.
- The Hillary Clinton Campaign
- Perkins Coie
- Hillary for America
- Fusion GPS
- A PR Firm that advised Perkins Coie regarding public statements about Sussmann’s meeting with James Baker.
- Phone logs for numerous current and former FBI employees.
- “a classified memorandum and related reports of interviews pertaining to a criminal investigation previously conducted by the U.S. Department of Justice regarding a potential leak of classified information”
- He also has secured nearly 400 e-mails between the FBI and Perkins Coie from January 2016 through June 2017.
But consider the possibility that Durham has used the “crime-fraud exception” to compel disclosure of information and to elicit testimony. “Under the crime-fraud exception, communications are not privileged when the client consults an attorney for advice that will serve him in the commission of a fraud or crime.” In re Grand Jury Investigation, 810 F.3d 1110, 1113 (9th Cir. 2016) (citations omitted). To meet this burden, Durham had to show two things:
- That the client was engaged in or planning a criminal or fraudulent scheme when it sought the advice of counsel to further the scheme.
- That Durham demonstrated the attorney-client communications for which production is sought are sufficiently related to and were made in furtherance of the intended, or present, continuing illegality. Id.

Durham: DNC lawyer Marc Elias has given grand jury testimony
And - the criminal investigation of Sussmann is ongoing.