Spur's numbers beat me to it. When did Strong ever win 8? Horns not getting blown out now against tougher teams. Great D. Pitiful O. Worse I can recall for a Horn team in many a year. And saw first Royal team in '57. But injuries screwing up the program like it did to OU in '09 when Bradford and many others went down. Great QB, Jones, discovered then. Maybe Sam will be as good.
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One thing is for sure, is that I would take your DC and defense in a heartbeat over what we're currently trotting out onto the field on Saturdays. You guys are pretty good on that side of ball. Much improved, and TH has to get some of the credit for that.
And, while I respect the Ehlinger's kid competitiveness and toughness, I think you guys need an upgrade at QB before you're going to compete for a national championship. TH is playing the hand that was dealt to him at QB, which was not great.
And, while I respect the Ehlinger's kid competitiveness and toughness, I think you guys need an upgrade at QB before you're going to compete for a national championship. TH is playing the hand that was dealt to him at QB, which was not great.
Gilbert had foreman at RB. Big difference than this year. Herman also wanted to hire his own staff, not have Strong’s leftovers. Not many head coaches call the plays either.
Its like watching a train wreck but you cant stop. I will always pull for UT and my Dad made sure I was going to be a UT fan no matter what " I now consider it child abuse 
" and we all knew this year was going to be tough. I did not expect to see this offense struggle like they have but it is what it is. The simple fact though is Herman had no better resume than just about anybody else that wanted this job. Honestly, with the LHN who the hell wants this kind of nightmare to deal with the tv side as well as try to coach. If this is his true dream job the I am sure its driving him crazy also. If we lose this weekend then I cant imagine the shit storm that happens from that. Here is trying to stay positive until the ship hits the bottom of the ocean.
" and we all knew this year was going to be tough. I did not expect to see this offense struggle like they have but it is what it is. The simple fact though is Herman had no better resume than just about anybody else that wanted this job. Honestly, with the LHN who the hell wants this kind of nightmare to deal with the tv side as well as try to coach. If this is his true dream job the I am sure its driving him crazy also. If we lose this weekend then I cant imagine the shit storm that happens from that. Here is trying to stay positive until the ship hits the bottom of the ocean.Then why could he never get over the hump to a championship without Blake's illegal recruiting tactics?? Big red sports only has so many job openings I guess.
I'm not sure, it's possible the other teams we played in the 3 other Championship games were just better than OU. It's not like he won games in 2000 and never had a winning season again.
Most all of the best players on that national championship team were recruited by Stoops. Namely Heupel and Griffin being the two biggest playmakers on offense.
In his second season? The handful he brought in were the best players on the team. They were all starters and helped secure the title? Seems like a farce.
May sound like a farce to you, but it is what it is. Yes, he inherited some good players like Ontei Jones, Roy williams, JT Thatcher, Rocky Calmus and some other solid starters. If anything Blake's recruits were a big part of the defense, 3 of 4 Dline starters, the top 3 linebackers, and both safeties.
Stoops brought in the QB Heupel
top two RBs Griffin & Works
The top three receivers
3 of 5 starters on Oline
1 Dlineman
Both starting corners
So while the defense was solid and helped them a lot, there's no way they get to the championship without that offense.
Yes he had Forman which makes a difference but remember Warren also rushed for nearly 400 yards in 4 games before injury. So it wasn’t just Foreman the running game was good last year under Gilbert.
The OL struggles are certainly part of the issue,but I’m not sure it’s the whole issue. Warren touched the ball 13 times against ok state didn’t touch the bell agsin after a 15 yard run in the 4th qrt.... so play calling is a huge issue to
We basically run 3 types of plays
QB run of some type
Bubble screen
Or some kind of longer pass on 3rd and long.
What is so ironic is how well Strong is doing at his new school.
It's just like pouring salt on the little cuts that each close loss leaves on the souls of the longhorn faithful.
Some of you will say that "you don't care about Charlie Strong anymore", and that's probably true to a certain degree. But everyone who made their peace with letting Strong go because "he was the worst coach in TX history" has begin to wonder if maybe, just maybe, CS wasn't the problem.
It's just like pouring salt on the little cuts that each close loss leaves on the souls of the longhorn faithful.
Some of you will say that "you don't care about Charlie Strong anymore", and that's probably true to a certain degree. But everyone who made their peace with letting Strong go because "he was the worst coach in TX history" has begin to wonder if maybe, just maybe, CS wasn't the problem.
IMO, Strong is having a good year due to inheriting a phenomenal QB in Quinton Flowers and playing little sisters of the poor every week. Sterlin Gilbert's offense fits Flowers perfectly. Strong just wasn't a good fit at Texas. A smaller or directional school is a much better fit for Strong than a major P5 school.
Charlie was most of the issue but not all of it I will agree. I truly feel he is a better fit for a smaller school. He was over his head at UT and possibly any big time school for now. I hope he succeeds but don't compare what his record is at USF to Texas. Also we play his school soon so I hope we'll have our shit together by then.
To be fair Strong is playing the same competition Herman lost to last year. You can’t have it both ways you can’t play up Tom Herman and ignore his losses at Houston and down play Stromg citing comptition
The reality is Stromg didn’t work out here but is a solid coach. We will see what happens at T3xas with Herman overvthe next couple years.
The reality is Stromg didn’t work out here but is a solid coach. We will see what happens at T3xas with Herman overvthe next couple years.
herman absolutely has issues that he better fix right now or his ass will be gone in 3 years just like Chollie.
1. absolutely no offensive identity. the only player we really lost on offense from last year is Donte. and we averaged more than 35 per game. we didnt win last year because we couldnt play defense and that was it.
and he better be blowing todd orlando every night and twice on sundays that he doesnt leave us at the end of the year.
1. absolutely no offensive identity. the only player we really lost on offense from last year is Donte. and we averaged more than 35 per game. we didnt win last year because we couldnt play defense and that was it.
and he better be blowing todd orlando every night and twice on sundays that he doesnt leave us at the end of the year.
Chollie? Really dude? Please don't bring texags sayings over here.
It’s not the same. Teams/personnel change from year to year. The names of the schools may be the same.
I must have missed the So. Florida vs Oklahoma and So. Florida vs FSU games this year.
What I remember about that first recruiting class that Stoops recruited were all the jc's he signed. The two best players on that 2000 team were Josh Heupel and Torrance Marshall. They were among that group of jc's. Imo Torrance Marshall was the MVP on that team.
It doesn't phase me, that program was slated to win 10 or more and they play nobody... Texas was too big for Strong.
Tim Beck reminds me of a currency trader that sets his stop loss 5 pips from entry and can't figure out why his stops keep getting run. Dude doesn't seem to have a good game plan to start with and when the dc starts guessing his calls he starts calling plays out of fear. Not a good way to run a system, imo.
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Yeah he relied on the jucos for sure. They were a good fit for the time, a talented team without experience needed leadership of some experienced jucos.
When Strong arrived at UT, I supported him. When Herman arrived at UT, I supported him as well.
Strong came here having a solid QB and a solid C. When they both got hurt for the year, our season was done. That's not even including the dismissal of X amount of players. We knew it was going to be ugly. We never recruited the QB position well.
Now look at Herman team. A SO QB and a FR backup QB. Starting QB gets hurt and the fish plays yea and nea games. OL is hurt. D playing pretty good but in Strong team, the D played pretty good compared to the offense. The kicking game was horrible. The secondary was bad though, remember DH at safety.
When you look at both teams, they look almost identical and the wins and loses tell. It's a possibility of going 5 - 7 this year (I hope not). All I want to see is improvement by the whole team. We need at least 5 to 7 OL to commit
Strong came here having a solid QB and a solid C. When they both got hurt for the year, our season was done. That's not even including the dismissal of X amount of players. We knew it was going to be ugly. We never recruited the QB position well.
Now look at Herman team. A SO QB and a FR backup QB. Starting QB gets hurt and the fish plays yea and nea games. OL is hurt. D playing pretty good but in Strong team, the D played pretty good compared to the offense. The kicking game was horrible. The secondary was bad though, remember DH at safety.
When you look at both teams, they look almost identical and the wins and loses tell. It's a possibility of going 5 - 7 this year (I hope not). All I want to see is improvement by the whole team. We need at least 5 to 7 OL to commit
USF has the 4th worst strength of schedule in the nation this year. Nothing ironic about his performance when he is playing cream puffs.
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This is not true. Houston played and beat OU last year. According to ESPN, USF has the 4th worst strength of schedule this year. Houston had the 51st ranked strength of schedule last year.
If you read my post you’ll notice I said he’s playing the same teams Herman LOST to last year.I must have missed the So. Florida vs Oklahoma and So. Florida vs FSU games this year.
For the recored USF would probably play OU weall. Your comment though is why I’m fairly skeptical of Herman. He’s pretty much made a career on 2 games. Herman’s hardcore supporters want it both ways. They want to hsrp on the OU and Louisville wins but ignore losses to UConn, Navy and Memphis.
One thing I look for isn’t so much the big wins but are you dominating the lesser comptition in your conference
Chris Peterson was 57-6 in conference games at Boise they didn’t lose conference games very often.
When Patterson got TCU rolling prior to joining the big 12. They lost one conference game from 08-11. To me most coaches can get their team ready for the biggest game they’ll ever play. The great coaches are able to keep the intensity up week in and week out when you are clearly better than the competition.
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Sure but the strength of the conference is pretty much the same. Maybe a little stronger this year. Navy, Memphis, UCF and USF all in or just outside the top 25.
One thing about Strong he’s still on Texas payroll if not mistaken. His salary at USF is not comparable to his UT salary. I don’t believe the Texas will play the scheduled game with USF. Nothing to gain from it, and possibly be embarrassed by Charlie. As far as having a food team because of the QB
Kind of like every team in football.
Kind of like every team in football.
Read it, your post says we can’t have both ways ... but we will see what happens with Herman. You start out putting our coach down with a false comparison and conclude with a backhanded compliment. Your posts show you don’t believe in Herman.
I’m laughing because USF barely escaped Tulane 34-28, the same Tulane that was throttled by OU this year, 56-14.
I will, too. Face it, detractors. They were beaten by three nationally ranked teams in two overtime games and another close one against OU by a grand collective whopping total of <14 points. The ONLY game they were not in was Maryland (!?)
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