Grad Transfer Thread

[Bwilk55]

Texas may be on the trail over the next few months looking to secure a grad transfer at an immediate position of need. Fortunately, the positions where we are thin are few and far between but I do think we could shore up the LB core and perhaps the RB room (especially depending on Kirk Johnson's health after an apparent spring game wrist injury).

At OL we already have Parker Braun set to join the ranks. He will push for a starting guard spot. There is some thought he could redshirt this year and take over the center role next year after Shack graduates but I think the immediate need wins out. Either way, he is a guy you can trust to be in our top 8-9 OL and provide quality play if needed.

We could really benefit from some LB depth. McCulloch seems to have solidified himself at the Rover spot but we lack an experienced and trustworthy MAC. There are not a lot of great options out there but we did host Kylan Johnson, from Florida this past weekend. He was a reserve at Florida it sounds like, but is from Dallas Skyline (played QB) and seems that we have a shot. It is unclear when his eligibility would be, ie, will he be graduating this semester or not?
- https://247sports.com/Player/Kylan-Johnson-56320/

The RB room gets pretty thin behind Keontay Ingram and Jordan Whittington. A healthy Kirk Johnson could provide some home run hitting depth to complement the two young RBs and we know what Daniel Young brings (and doesn't bring) to the table. I don't love our depth chart but I am also not sure a transfer RB would either. It certainly isn't as easy of a job to win as it was last year for Tre Watson.

 

[bschroed21]

Would be great to snag another LB. You know, we had a decent and experienced linebacker group in 2005, but by no means great. The secondary was elite and the D-line was also full of guys who would eventually play on Sundays. One of the linebackers that year was Drew Kelson, a converted safety. I can’t help but think that Orlando will find a way to get Overshown onto the field somehow, even though we are loaded at safety this year. They were looking at him at LB early last year before he got hurt. Not hearing much about him lately. I know where we need the most help is in the middle, but maybe he could allow one of the other guys to move inside.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Linebacker is the only spot where we need grad transfer help. Remember, grad transfers generally want to come into a situation where they know they fill and immediate starting need. We're not likely going to convince a grad transfer running back to come in and be 3rd string. Would love to get just a little more depth on the line and a true right tackle, but not sure that is out there.

Even linebacker is not a guarantee, we have talent and I just don't see us getting someone that will give us a upgrade on what we have on campus. Don't forget linebackers are not a premium in the Big 12.

 

[Longyac]

^^^
If they can manage to land Feaster he wouldn’t the third string back.

 

[Bwilk55]

Would be great to snag another LB. You know, we had a decent and experienced linebacker group in 2005, but by no means great. The secondary was elite and the D-line was also full of guys who would eventually play on Sundays. One of the linebackers that year was Drew Kelson, a converted safety. I can’t help but think that Orlando will find a way to get Overshown onto the field somehow, even though we are loaded at safety this year. They were looking at him at LB early last year before he got hurt. Not hearing much about him lately. I know where we need the most help is in the middle, but maybe he could allow one of the other guys to move inside.

I think if we get someone who could play Rover, McCulloch would move to MAC. That's the speculation at least.

The LB from Florida would be more of a Rover type. Some are saying they are unsure if he is a take at that moment - which says a lot given the need we have. Also, it's unclear if he will be a grad transfer or a regular transfer.

 

[bschroed21]

Well whoever is playing linebacker needs to be ready for Louisiana Tech to run some jet sweep . That’s been a hard one for us to stop the last two years and openers .

 

[Son of Wasatch]

^^^
If they can manage to land Feaster he wouldn’t the third string back.

Honestly, I know he was a highly regarded recruit, I just don't see much out of his film. He looks a lot like Daniel Young. If Kirk Johnson stayed healthy, I don't think he would beat him out. He sure as heck isn't beating out Whittington or Ingram.

 

[Bwilk55]

I think if we get someone who could play Rover, McCulloch would move to MAC. That's the speculation at least.

The LB from Florida would be more of a Rover type. Some are saying they are unsure if he is a take at that moment - which says a lot given the need we have. Also, it's unclear if he will be a grad transfer or a regular transfer.

According to TFB, the visit with Kylan Johnson went very well and the expectation is for him to be suiting up in burnt orange this upcoming season. The one hold up was getting him admitted and into the masters program though this didn't seem to be an issue beyond the time it takes to get it done.

 

[clob94]

According to TFB, the visit with Kylan Johnson went very well and the expectation is for him to be suiting up in burnt orange this upcoming season. The one hold up was getting him admitted and into the masters program though this didn't seem to be an issue beyond the time it takes to get it done.

Does he technically HAVE to enroll in a masters program or can he seek a double major?

 

[CoachEmUp64]

Does he technically HAVE to enroll in a masters program or can he seek a double major?

He's graduating Saturday. Like diploma in hand. So I'd assume it has to be a master program bc his credits will have been maxed out, right?

 

[Longyac]

Does he technically HAVE to enroll in a masters program or can he seek a double major?

One of the issues is at Texas you actually have to qualify for the graduate program you're interested in there is no pencil whipping football players into grad programs. Wasn't an issue last year because Anderson was from Rice and Watson from Cal Berkley.

 

[speedstrength]

Once you graduate you can enroll as a non degree seeking undergrad or a degree seeking undergrad but its really complicated and the NCAA transfer rules are based on transferring to pursue graduate education in a program that isn't offered at the current institution.

 

[Oldmanastro]

When the frick does Bru find out his status. NCAA is a freaking joke.............but that have the "students best interest in mind".

 

[clob94]

Once you graduate you can enroll as a non degree seeking undergrad or a degree seeking undergrad but its really complicated and the NCAA transfer rules are based on transferring to pursue graduate education in a program that isn't offered at the current institution.

Hold up----- I'm not questioning you on this by any means but I am going to POSE a couple of questions here so that I have more clarity on your statements---

You're saying that a grad transfer can GO to another school and pursue a graduate degree at an institution that offers a degree in something that your CURRENT school doesn't offer?

How is that possible? The University of Florida offers an MBA--- so does Texas. Florida offers masters degrees in psych, poly Sci, languages, economics, social work, education and so on---- and SO does Texas.

How's this possible speed?

 

[clob94]

When the frick does Bru find out his status. NCAA is a freaking joke.............but that have the "students best interest in mind".

I'm guessing here but I don't think he will get to play this season.

 

[ASURAM2010]

I'm guessing here but I don't think he will get to play this season.

I would be shocked if he doesn't. With Justin Fields and Tate Martell both being granted immediate eligibility at their new schools, I would be very surprised. At least with Bru, he had a coaching change. The other two dudes just got beat out.

 

[weevilcatch]

When the frick does Bru find out his status. NCAA is a freaking joke.............but that have the "students best interest in mind".

Yeah, the $2.5 million the NCAA pays their commish screams "it's about the kids..."

 

[Bwilk55]

When the frick does Bru find out his status. NCAA is a freaking joke.............but that have the "students best interest in mind".

I don't think Texas and Bru + family, submitted an appeal as soon as they could. Word is they wanted to see how other scenarios played out so that they had a better idea of what type of case to make. There is really no rush as Bru was still about to go through Spring and Summer work-outs and as long as they know by fall camp, no problem.

 

[Bwilk55]

Juwan Mitchell was recently offered by Texas and plans to take an OV this weekend. He is listed as the top JUCO ILB for the 2020 class but I am hearing he may actually be able to graduate from Butler Comm Co this Summer and be eligible to play in 2019. This would be super helpful for us from a depth stand point as we are lacking in the MLB department currently.

https://247sports.com/Player/Juwan-Mitchell-92584/

 

[HornsRuleU]

Do we need a devoted LB coach? It seems like we've been thin at LB every year since Herman/Orlando took over. Or is it my bad memory?

 

[speedstrength]

Hold up----- I'm not questioning you on this by any means but I am going to POSE a couple of questions here so that I have more clarity on your statements---

You're saying that a grad transfer can GO to another school and pursue a graduate degree at an institution that offers a degree in something that your CURRENT school doesn't offer?

How is that possible? The University of Florida offers an MBA--- so does Texas. Florida offers masters degrees in psych, poly Sci, languages, economics, social work, education and so on---- and SO does Texas.

How's this possible speed?

From the NCAA

"To be eligible for the one-time transfer exception, football, basketball, baseball and men’s ice hockey student athletes must have been denied a scholarship renewal at their original school. If the student-athlete wishes to pursue a degree program not offered at the original institution, he or she is eligible for a waiver to compete immediately at the new school."

Graduate programs can have a unique perspective or agenda based on the current research interest of professors who run the program. I am guessing that people are splitting hairs on their wavier applications and the NCAA isn't putting too much scrutiny on those applications for fear of a PR nightmare.

 

[speedstrength]

14.6 Graduate Student/Postbaccalaureate Participation.
A student-athlete who is enrolled in a graduate or professional school of the same institution from which he or she previously received a baccalaureate degree, a student-athlete who is enrolled and seeking a second baccalaureate or equivalent degree at the same institution, or a student-athlete who has graduated and is continuing as a full-time student at the same institution while taking course work that would lead to the equivalent of another major or degree as defined and documented by the institution, may participate in intercollegiate athletics, provided the student has eligibility remaining and such participation occurs within the applicable five-year period set forth in Bylaw 12.8 (see Bylaw 14.2.2.1.6). (Revised: 1/10/90, 1/16/93 effective 8/1/93, 7/31/14)

14.6.1 One-Time Transfer Exception. A graduate student who is enrolled in a graduate or professional school of an institution other than the institution from which he or she previously received a baccalaureate degree may participate in intercollegiate athletics if the student fulfills the conditions of the one-time transfer exception set forth in Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10 and has eligibility remaining per Bylaw 12.8. A graduate student who does not meet the one-time transfer exception due to the restrictions of Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10-(a) shall qualify for this exception, provided: (Adopted: 1/9/96 effective 8/1/96, Revised: 4/27/06, 1/6/07 effective 8/1/07, 4/28/11 effective 8/1/11, 7/31/14)
(a) The student fulfills the remaining conditions of Bylaw 14.5.5.2.10;
(b) The student has at least one season of competition remaining; and
(c) The student’s previous institution did not renew his or her athletically related financial aid for the following academic year.
14.6.1.1 Baseball and Basketball—Midyear Enrollee.In baseball and basketball, a graduate transfer student-athlete who initially enrolls at the certifying institution as a full-time student after the conclusion of the first term of the academic year and qualifies for the one-time transfer exception may be immediately eligible for competition, provided he or she satisfies all other applicable eligibility requirements. (Adopted: 4/26/17 effective 8/1/17"

 

[CoachEmUp64]

When the frick does Bru find out his status. NCAA is a freaking joke.............but that have the "students best interest in mind".

Texas hasn't even submitted the paperwork yet. They were waiting to get a look at Tate's and Justin's paperwork so they could adjust their wording. Texas has a plan and is waiting for the right time. Supposedly sometime this month the paperwork will be filed with the NCAA

 

[DHHorn]

Texas hasn't even submitted the paperwork yet. They were waiting to get a look at Tate's and Justin's paperwork so they could adjust their wording. Texas has a plan and is waiting for the right time. Supposedly sometime this month the paperwork will be filed with the NCAA

In short, both Bruh's and UT's lawyers are working on it.

 

[CoachEmUp64]

In short, both Bruh's and UT's lawyers are working on it.

no doubt

 

[Bwilk55]

Juwan Mitchell was recently offered by Texas and plans to take an OV this weekend. He is listed as the top JUCO ILB for the 2020 class but I am hearing he may actually be able to graduate from Butler Comm Co this Summer and be eligible to play in 2019. This would be super helpful for us from a depth stand point as we are lacking in the MLB department currently.

https://247sports.com/Player/Juwan-Mitchell-92584/

Sounds like very positive things are coming out of the Official Visit that is currently on-going. I wouldn't be surprised by a commitment. It does sound like Juwan would be eligible for the up-coming season which would help a ton, especially since we know we will be without DeGabriel Floyd.

 

[westx]

I can't figure out when he graduated high school. I was trying to see what teams were interested upon high school graduation. I don't know, but, it appears he was a December graduate in 2017 and then went to Butler CC and played one season. Since then, looks like he committed to Rutgers, then de-committed to commit to Minnesota and now has de-committed from Minnesota.

May 11, 2019: Official Visit

• Juwan Mitchell officially visits Texas Longhorns
  
  
• 
  
  May 07, 2019: Decommit
  Juwan Mitchell decommits from Minnesota Golden Gophers
  
  
  
• May 03, 2019: Official Visit
  Juwan Mitchell officially visits Arkansas Razorbacks
  
  
  
• March 29, 2019: Commitment
  Juwan Mitchell commits to Minnesota Golden Gophers
  
  
• 
  
  March 29, 2019: Commitment
  Juwan Mitchell commits to Minnesota Golden Gophers
  
  
  
• January 13, 2019: Decommit
  Juwan Mitchell decommits from Rutgers Scarlet Knights
  
  
  
• December 19, 2018: Signing
  Juwan Mitchell signs letter of intent to Rutgers Scarlet Knights
  
  
• 
  
  November 19, 2018: Commitment
  Juwan Mitchell commits to Rutgers Scarlet Knights
  
  
• 
  
  November 19, 2018: Leaders Named
  Juwan Mitchell names Rutgers Scarlet Knights leader
  
  
  
• November 18, 2018: Offer
  Rutgers Scarlet Knights offer Juwan Mitchell
  
  
  
• November 17, 2018: Official Visit
  Juwan Mitchell officially visits Rutgers Scarlet Knights
  

 

[Bwilk55]

I can't figure out when he graduated high school. I was trying to see what teams were interested upon high school graduation. I don't know, but, it appears he was a December graduate in 2017 and then went to Butler CC and played one season. Since then, looks like he committed to Rutgers, then de-committed to commit to Minnesota and now has de-committed from Minnesota.

May 11, 2019: Official Visit

• Juwan Mitchell officially visits Texas Longhorns
  
  
• 
  
  May 07, 2019: Decommit
  Juwan Mitchell decommits from Minnesota Golden Gophers
  
  
  
• May 03, 2019: Official Visit
  Juwan Mitchell officially visits Arkansas Razorbacks
  
  
  
• March 29, 2019: Commitment
  Juwan Mitchell commits to Minnesota Golden Gophers
  
  
• 
  
  March 29, 2019: Commitment
  Juwan Mitchell commits to Minnesota Golden Gophers
  
  
  
• January 13, 2019: Decommit
  Juwan Mitchell decommits from Rutgers Scarlet Knights
  
  
  
• December 19, 2018: Signing
  Juwan Mitchell signs letter of intent to Rutgers Scarlet Knights
  
  
• 
  
  November 19, 2018: Commitment
  Juwan Mitchell commits to Rutgers Scarlet Knights
  
  
• 
  
  November 19, 2018: Leaders Named
  Juwan Mitchell names Rutgers Scarlet Knights leader
  
  
  
• November 18, 2018: Offer
  Rutgers Scarlet Knights offer Juwan Mitchell
  
  
  
• November 17, 2018: Official Visit
  Juwan Mitchell officially visits Rutgers Scarlet Knights

Yep, I was having the same issue. I'm also thinking I've seen he has 2 yrs of eligibility left but not sure when the other one was spent

 

[bschroed21]

Only time will tell if Mitchell makes an impact; but, dang I appreciate this staff’s commitment and effort to fill immediate needs.

 

[Bwilk55]

Sounds like very positive things are coming out of the Official Visit that is currently on-going. I wouldn't be surprised by a commitment. It does sound like Juwan would be eligible for the up-coming season which would help a ton, especially since we know we will be without DeGabriel Floyd.

https://www.burntorangenation.com/r...ecruiting-tom-herman-butler-community-college

And Juwan Mitchell has committed. He has 4 years to play 3 but with how thin ILB is, I am guessing we won't be able to afford to redshirt him.

I really like how this staff goes out and gets what they need to fill a gap. Especially with Floyd's future being unclear, the staff went out and snagged a very capable ILB to help with 2019 and the future.

 

[clob94]

Watch his film. He seems small but he moves downhill well-- has good closing speed--- needs to work on his lateral movement a bit--- but I think he can help us.