Has anyone been watching OJ Made in America?

[outhereincali]

Part 2 was on last night and part 3 is tonight. I thought I knew everything there was to know about OJ and the OJ trial but I don't so it's been very interesting. I mean I'm a white guy who grew up in the Republican suburbs in San Antonio but even I could figure out that OJ was something of an Uncle Tom a long time ago. But watching this I've learned just how superficial OJ was and I'm surprised. He tried to fit in with an element of society who didn't even like him.

And then there was poor Nicole. Much was made that she wasn't little miss sunshine and she wasn't. But OJ was like some kind of sick Svengali to her and no woman deserves that and like every other murder victim she didn't deserve to die.

And yet people kept letting him get away with it. What I've learned is that this guy from the time he was a kid growing up in the projects knew how to con people into giving him what he wanted and that he could talk his way out of anything. Tonight is the murder trial and parts 4 and 5 will be on later in the week. If you haven't watched the first two you could probably watch it on demand. It's on ESPN. It also covers race and the judicial system in America. And if you didn't know before LA is one of the most racist cities in the United States you've got one group suspicious of the other and ready to pounce on them if they feel provoked. And believe me the LAPD deserves its racist reputation.

Check it out

 

[topdecktiger]

Your "Uncle Tom" comment is a little ridiculous. This idea that you have to think/act a certain way just because you are black, white, Asian, etc. is more racist than anything.

 

[outhereincali]

OJ was what he was.

 

[topdecktiger]

OJ was what he was.

Sorry, but you are the one being flat out racist with that line of thinking.

 

[ryan_sublett]

The idea that you have to act a certain way due to your race has always been silly to me. However going out of your way to separate yourself from your race seems equally silly and it feels like that's what OJ was doing a little bit.

Was it common knowlage that OJ's dad was gay? I'd never heard that till the documentary

 

[clob94]

This is what I find funny/odd--- would we even know who Kim Kardashian was without her daddy getting famous for being on the OJ defense team? Would she have just remained another obscure Armenian ho with a big butt without her daddy? To follow that chain of events further- does Bruce stay Bruce if he never hooks up with momma Kardashian and has the spot light painted on him?

I feel like I'm having a "red pill, blue pill" moment.

 

[topdecktiger]

The idea that you have to act a certain way due to your race has always been silly to me. However going out of your way to separate yourself from your race seems equally silly and it feels like that's what OJ was doing a little bit.

Was it common knowlage that OJ's dad was gay? I'd never heard that till the documentary

It's rather amazing how people will so readily accept a narrative. You don't have any evidence of the guy "going out of his way" to "separate" himself from his race. If you wanted to break into acting in 1979, tell me how you were going to get around associating with white people. Because there were so many black producers and studios back in 1979? If you wanted go into broadcasting, tell me how you were going to separate yourself from associating with white people. Because there were so many black producers and executives in 1979? If you wanted to go into advertising, tell me how you were going to separate yourself from associating with white people. Because there were so many black-owned companies back in 1979? Most black athletes and entertainers are doing the same thing today that OJ did back then. The only difference is, nowadays, there are more black people in upper-level positions in all these fields, so it doesn't "feel" like they are "separating" from their race.

The comments you and the other guy are making are just like the guy who called Robert Griffin III a "cornball brother."

 

[outhereincali]

The idea that you have to act a certain way due to your race has always been silly to me. However going out of your way to separate yourself from your race seems equally silly and it feels like that's what OJ was doing a little bit.

Was it common knowlage that OJ's dad was gay? I'd never heard that till the documentary

You're right about OJ acting white.


It was always known within the Simpson family about the father being homosexual. It became public knowledge when the OJ trial began. Since then there's been speculation that OJ had a lot of rage because of it his brother and niece have said as much.

 

[Belldozer1]

Freaking OJ. I'm still amazed that piece of trash got off. I mean don't all innocent folks go on bronco chases threatening suicide? Of course he couldn't thank his lucky stars and keep his nose clean. He deserves where he's at . Hope he stays there.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

The idea that you have to act a certain way due to your race has always been silly to me. However going out of your way to separate yourself from your race seems equally silly and it feels like that's what OJ was doing a little bit.

Was it common knowlage that OJ's dad was gay? I'd never heard that till the documentary

It may seem silly to you but that's the way it is.

 

[Texxxxas]

The idea that you have to act a certain way due to your race has always been silly to me. However going out of your way to separate yourself from your race seems equally silly and it feels like that's what OJ was doing a little bit.

Was it common knowlage that OJ's dad was gay? I'd never heard that till the documentary

Nobody asked outhereincali why he said it. Black people acting white, and white people acting black, has always been an ignorant statement, because we are all individuals. But to try and separate yourself from your race, for monetary and physical gains, most definitely puts him in that class, that outhereincali spoke of. Too much shucking and jiving.

 

[Texxxxas]

You don't have any evidence of the guy "going out of his way" to "separate" himself from his race.

You mean like the white lady saying "look at OJ at the table with all those n******," and OJ responding with, "she gets it, I'm not black."

Yeah, that's not going out of his way.

 

[Scholz]

Not everything racial has to be considered racist. People have to be able to talk about it.

 

[outhereincali]

Because I have on demand I've already watched parts 4 and 5 and it's shocking. In the end OJ Simpson is a sad and pathetic man.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Because I have on demand I've already watched parts 4 and 5 and it's shocking. In the end OJ Simpson is a sad and pathetic man.

I don't even need to watch the show to know that!

 

[clob94]

When OJ was leaving his house in the car that day with the cops, what did he say? "What are all these n*****s doing in Brentwood?".


Pretty much sums up who he was.

 

[ryan_sublett]

It's rather amazing how people will so readily accept a narrative. You don't have any evidence of the guy "going out of his way" to "separate" himself from his race. If you wanted to break into acting in 1979, tell me how you were going to get around associating with white people. Because there were so many black producers and studios back in 1979? If you wanted go into broadcasting, tell me how you were going to separate yourself from associating with white people. Because there were so many black producers and executives in 1979? If you wanted to go into advertising, tell me how you were going to separate yourself from associating with white people. Because there were so many black-owned companies back in 1979? Most black athletes and entertainers are doing the same thing today that OJ did back then. The only difference is, nowadays, there are more black people in upper-level positions in all these fields, so it doesn't "feel" like they are "separating" from their race.

The comments you and the other guy are making are just like the guy who called Robert Griffin III a "cornball brother."

Sure I have evidence.

"I'm not black I'm OJ". I'm above you I'm the guy not effected by my race. OJ never once considered himself "black" or a victim of the "man" till it suited his defense of a horble crime. He used a community to get away with his crimes. A community he wanted nothing to do with before and honestly probably since.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

Sure I have evidence.

"I'm not black I'm OJ". I'm above you I'm the guy not effected by my race. OJ never once considered himself "black" or a victim of the "man" till it suited his defense of a horble crime. He used a community to get away with his crimes. A community he wanted nothing to do with before and honestly probably since.

I still remember the joy that came over a lot of African Americans when he was found not guilty. Sad because he never did one thing for his community that believed in him. He might have defeated the "man" but he lost in the end to his ego. Hope he never see's the light of day.

 

[Texxxxas]

I still remember the joy that came over a lot of African Americans when he was found not guilty.

The black community was fed up with LAPD and the criminal justice system...there was so much anger at the time. The fact that it was OJ, was arbitrary, that just made it high profile. It could have been anyone.

 

[LongfellowDrew]

The black community was fed up with LAPD and the criminal justice system...there was so much anger at the time. The fact that it was OJ, was arbitrary, that just made it high profile. It could have been anyone.

Even in Texas?

 

[topdecktiger]

Sure I have evidence.

"I'm not black I'm OJ". I'm above you I'm the guy not effected by my race. OJ never once considered himself "black" or a victim of the "man" till it suited his defense of a horble crime. He used a community to get away with his crimes. A community he wanted nothing to do with before and honestly probably since.

No, that's not evidence. That's again you putting blacks into a stereotypical box that they have to act a certain way, associate with certain people, have a certain view of race or themselves. It's funny how we are continually told not to stereotype, but yet the same people who say that have a completely stereotypical view on race.

 

[Texxxxas]

Even in Texas?

Yes, what was happening in LA, was happening every where. Everything doesn't get caught on tape, so people refuse to believe it. Hell, that was caught on tape, and the chief was still in denial about it.

The criminal justice system is still f***** up and racism is still a big issue.

 

[ryan_sublett]

No, that's not evidence. That's again you putting blacks into a stereotypical box that they have to act a certain way, associate with certain people, have a certain view of race or themselves. It's funny how we are continually told not to stereotype, but yet the same people who say that have a completely stereotypical view on race.

Not what I'm saying at all. If someone wants to act the way OJ acted that's ok. It doesn't bother me, but what I am saying is don't all the sudden claim racism and apel to a community of people for help when you had been doing the opposite your entire life and now it suits you to do the opposite.

I'm not saying someone has to act a certain way or do a certain things because you are a certain race. Just saying you gotta pay for your choices.

 

[outhereincali]

The black community was fed up with LAPD and the criminal justice system...there was so much anger at the time. The fact that it was OJ, was arbitrary, that just made it high profile. It could have been anyone.

And there was a lawyer interviewed on this documentary who acknowledged as much.

 

[outhereincali]

Remember this was just three years after Rodney King. And this documentary shows the series of events leading up to the Rodney King verdict and how LA went up in flames after it. For the black community it was an in your face to the judicial system and especially the LAPD.

You could make a case and some people did that at the end it was the black community vs the LAPD. And Mark Fuhrman was their revenge. And now that I've watched it all I look back on MF twenty years later realize what a giant ***hole he really was and still is.

 

[outhereincali]

You know OJ came along at the same as Muhammad Ali, and Kareem Jabbar. And where as Ali and Kareem identified with their blackness, OJ was the anti Ali, the anti Kareem. Football was just coming into its prime in the 70's and here is this great rb, great athlete, great guy, handsome guy. And if his Buffalo teams were on the tube they were must see tv. I never liked the Bills but if he was on I damn sure watched cause he would do something special and I didn't want to miss it. Neither did anyone else. I'd be at work the next day and a lot of times we talked more about OJ than we did the Cowboys. We would talk more about that run that went 60 yards for a td than how many td passes Roger Staubach threw and we were all Cowboys fans. He went to school at USC which traditionally has been a spoiled rich kids school. As they said in part 1 he was seduced by the USC culture. He was drawn into that world and never came back. The rest is history.

 

[topdecktiger]

Not what I'm saying at all. If someone wants to act the way OJ acted that's ok. It doesn't bother me, but what I am saying is don't all the sudden claim racism and apel to a community of people for help when you had been doing the opposite your entire life and now it suits you to do the opposite.

I'm not saying someone has to act a certain way or do a certain things because you are a certain race. Just saying you gotta pay for your choices.

That's got nothing to do with the "Uncle Tom" comment from the other poster, to which I originally responded. If you want to say OJ was a hypocrite for what he did at the trial, I'm fine with that. He clearly committed the murders.

However, that's not what the original poster was saying. He was saying that OJ was being an "Uncle Tom" in the way he lived his life before the murders. That's got nothing to do with your point about OJ flipping at the trial. The point here is not to defend OJ. The point is how the "Uncle Tom" comment reflects on everyone else who doesn't live a "correct" racial lifestyle.

 

[Texxxxas]

That's got nothing to do with the "Uncle Tom" comment from the other poster, to which I originally responded. If you want to say OJ was a hypocrite for what he did at the trial, I'm fine with that. He clearly committed the murders.

However, that's not what the original poster was saying. He was saying that OJ was being an "Uncle Tom" in the way he lived his life before the murders. That's got nothing to do with your point about OJ flipping at the trial. The point here is not to defend OJ. The point is how the "Uncle Tom" comment reflects on everyone else who doesn't live a "correct" racial lifestyle.

You mean like the white lady saying "look at OJ at the table with all those n******," and OJ responding with, "she gets it, I'm not black."

He is a perfect example of an uncle tom, sambo, and a coon.

 

[T_R_U_T_H]

Let's just call him an Uncle Ruckus then.

 

[Texxxxas]

Let's just call him an Uncle Ruckus then.

Hilarious, that's usually my go to example.

 

[clob94]

The last two episodes blew my mind. I was 19 when this went down--- there's so much info that has come to light now via friends and jurors- etc...... just WOW!!!

 

[LonghornMM]

That's got nothing to do with the "Uncle Tom" comment from the other poster, to which I originally responded. If you want to say OJ was a hypocrite for what he did at the trial, I'm fine with that. He clearly committed the murders.

However, that's not what the original poster was saying. He was saying that OJ was being an "Uncle Tom" in the way he lived his life before the murders. That's got nothing to do with your point about OJ flipping at the trial. The point here is not to defend OJ. The point is how the "Uncle Tom" comment reflects on everyone else who doesn't live a "correct" racial lifestyle.

Quit trying to stir that racial pot in here. People can discuss the OJ situation without your nonsense.

 

[outhereincali]

The last two episodes blew my mind. I was 19 when this went down--- there's so much info that has come to light now via friends and jurors- etc...... just WOW!!!

Clob you were on the fb team during that time was the team racially divided during the OJ trial?

 

[outhereincali]

I stopped paying attention to OJ after the verdict. From the acquittal to his conviction his life went downhill especially after he moved to Florida. He was to arrogant and ignorant to keep a low profile and likke his friends said he was addicted to fame. He was stunned that his high profile friends wanted nothing to do with him. When he moved to Florida his new friends were bad people. The high jacking was something out of a Marx brothers movie. Now was the sentencing to severe like his friends thought? Yes. Was it because he wasacquired in the first trial? Yes. Was the sentencing of 33 years intentional to the settlement in the civil trial? Probably. But like I said above OJ was a sad, pathetic man. Since he had been in prison we see that he is a broken man and from what I've heard prison can do that to you. His life post acquittal show that he brought this on himself and like most people I have no sympathy for him.

 

[clob94]

There were some guys that got pretty passionate about it- but you also have to remember, the Mike Tyson jail thing was going down, the title IX thing with the law school was just happening-- there were protests and what not regarding that, but I just stayed out of it all. I didn't really have the inclination to involve myself with things that were beyond my control.