If he’s available that would be a great hire for Herman.
Herman gets a D this year.... Maybe a D-
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I didn't say that, but I would have valid examples to support my criticisms.
You: Tim Beck sucks
Me: Why does he suck?
You: Because he really sucks?
Me: But why?
You: Didn't you watch the game? We lost.
Me: Yeah, but specifically what did Tim Beck do to cost us the game?
You: Because he sucks.
You're not really saying anything.
I am realistic & meet performance goals. That’s what I get paid to do. People that ignore stats end up unemployed.
Part of planning is preparing for the worst case scenario, instead of expecting the best case scenario to work out.
Winners prepare & plan for the worst case scenario. It’s unrealistic to think we won’t experience injuries to key players - happens every year.
Winners prepare & plan for the worst case scenario. It’s unrealistic to think we won’t experience injuries to key players - happens every year.
Would a valid argument be calling a reverse pass on the 2 yard line? Or a Hail Mary on 3rd and 2 when a first down seals the game? I’m kind of playing devils advocate because dj is retorting well.
People that base their decisions on statistics without performing any type of root cause analysis and applying analytical reason end up unemployed.
Read the threads & look who is calling for Jesus & 12-0. Who is being unrealistic again?
Right. If we looked back in spring there were a lot of people saying “well the coaching will be better, so that will result in a couple more wins”. Well if the coaching was better(which is certainly debateable) it was worth 0-1 win.
Gotta use stats first and remove all bias, prejudice, assumptions, & preconceived notions about the “truth.”
As a lean six sigma black belt, I teach RCAs.
Another pathetic response. You've just made up a synopsis of a conversation that never took place.
I've said that Tim Beck was a poor hire and that his performance has been poor, and you've apparently taken quite a bit of umbrage over this (and, presumably, over having your weak straw-man arguments highlighted). I haven't at all tried to convince you this is the case, as your fake summary would suggest, and I really don't care if you believe otherwise. If you believe that Tim Beck has performed about as well as one could expect, given the obvious obstacles the season has presented, then that's perfectly fine with me. If not, then what are you even crying about?
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He's "retorting well" if you're a sucker for weak caricatures of other people's positions ("maybe we should hire Jesus as OC," "people are crying because we're not 12-0," and so forth) and the use of tremendous outliers as the basis of any sort of evaluation of our current position ("Saban spent years at .500!").
1. If John Burt throws the ball when he's suppose to, Ellingher catches the ball standing in the end zone with no one within 5 yards of him and you guys are all cheering like idiots.
2. It wasn't a Hail Mary and you have no idea what TH and TB told Ellingher to do on that play. You're making the assumption that Ellingher and our receivers executed that play just like TB planned, but you don't know that.
No I just feel aside from those mentioned that he has stated his argument. I am angry at the playcalling too and Herman’s refusal to see the fault in his offensive staff.
To add, does that mean it completely falls on the players? It’s all the players fault that Texas is in the position it’s in? You would be cheering like an idiot too if John Burt was coached on that play better or if it was ran with Heard or Humphrey or Joe to which ALL THREE HAVE QB EXPERIENCE.
There's precious little else to his posts aside from those straw-man arguments -- other than the contention that injuries have impacted our effectiveness this year, with which no one would disagree.
Yeah looking back I saw one and I agreed with it should have read all of he posts
Keep deflecting from the fact that you refuse to substantiate your assessment of TB.
Belittling my posts is preventing you from having to support your own.
It's not any more incumbent on me to provide you specifics at the expense of my time than it is for you to specifically explain, at the expense of your time, how Tim Beck has maximized our performance this year -- something you've also refused to do.
And if you don't want to have your posts "belittled," come with something more substantive than "maybe we should hire Jesus as our OC" and "people are crying because we're not 12-0."
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What has Tim Beck done well in your opinion? Apply your knowledge and skill and educate us on how not to refuse to substantiate our assessments. Because at this point you are being hypocritical.
I have 2 points:
1. The combination of injuries, inexperience, attrition, and poor recruiting makes evaluation of the performance of our offense very difficult and based on those factors, I'm not going to lay it all at the feet of the OC.
2. Every play that loses yardage or doesn't result in a 1st down, wasn't a bad play call and every player that fails to improve wasn't poorly coached. There are way more factors involved.
Sports talk bluster is crying about a the OC sucking and adding nothing of substance to back it up.
I can agree with your first point. That didn’t make it easy to call plays. However, that second point is shaky because it’s not only that the play call was bad. It’s that there was no change game to game. The preparation was bad. Most players that are 4 star and higher that turn out to be subpar players can be chalked up to lack of development by coaches. How come other teams can have a true freshmen light people up. Tim Beck directly calls the plays because Herman stated in a Monday press conference or a post game that he can’t call plays from the sideline because he can’t see rom the sidely. So he is relying completely on Beck. Majority of the plays that are called are poor decisions. That are equally poorly executed. So injuries and inexperience yes, poorly executed plays yes, poorly called plays and schemes yes. All around the offense needs change.
This may surprise you -- as you seem to struggle with the idea that other people aside from yourself are capable of thinking outside of absolutes -- but I don't necessarily disagree with either of those very general points. It's a matter of degree. I don't "lay it all at the feet of the OC," and I haven't seen anyone else that does either.
BBR is correct. Our offensive players & coaches sucked this year. We can measure our players against their performance last season - Shane was better & so was our entire offense.
Our offense got worse this year. What changed? The coaches & some seniors graduated.
Our defense improved this year. What changed? The coaches & some seniors graduated.
Our offense got worse this year. What changed? The coaches & some seniors graduated.
Our defense improved this year. What changed? The coaches & some seniors graduated.
The refusal to play Foreman and the inexplicable desire to give the ball to Porter in important periods of the game have me questioning his intelligence.
That’s why I’m so hard on the offense, and Tim Beck. From the Maryland game on the defense really improved. The offense from game 1 to game 12 was pretty much the same. You’ve got to fault the coaching staff for that. Also continuing to run Porter out there when it’s apperent to most everyone watching that Carter and Young are more productive.... gotta pin that on coaching as well.
I tend to agree, everyone except Young didn't seem to progress. However, what losses did Orlando deal with through the course of the season?
I think Young wasn’t given enough chances to show improvement. Was rarely used until late in the season. He was a gem that didn’t get used. I feel like Drayton has fault in that. He is the running backs coach.
Orlando lost PJ, Hill, Jones, wheeler was just out played by Johnson and Thompson for a game. Also Hagar for a half. The line and linebackers were healthy for pretty much all season. It was the DBs that gave Orlando personnel trouble.
But Young showed much improvement I thought.
Give me Carter who might fumble, but can take it 20-30 or house anytime he touches it over 1 yard and a cloud of dust Porter
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