Herman gets a D this year.... Maybe a D-

[weevilcatch]

Orlando lost PJ, Hill, Jones, wheeler was just out played by Johnson and Thompson for a game. Also Hagar for a half. The line and linebackers were healthy for pretty much all season. It was the DBs that gave Orlando personnel trouble.

You're putting PJ in there, lol? Davis was better and more productive but it took an injury to a lesser player for the great defensive coaches to see that.

After Hill, Texas ran out of gas in 2 of the 3 games. The performance against Kansas nobody was satisfied with and then the D couldn't hold a 10 point lead in 4q w/o Hill.

How are either of those a feather in the cap for TO?

 

[weevilcatch]

Yeah I misread your post you are right he did.

I thought you might have thought I said Carter originally. Because what you replied to me is exactly what I thought about Carter

 

[eda5420]

You're putting PJ in there, lol? Davis was better and more productive but it took an injury to a lesser player for the great defensive coaches to see that.

After Hill, Texas ran out of gas in 2 of the 3 games. The performance against Kansas nobody was satisfied with and then the D couldn't hold a 10 point lead in 4q w/o Hill.

How are either of those a feather in the cap for TO?

Yeah Davis did play great you are right i was just mentioning the losses Orlando had to adjust for .

 

[eda5420]

I thought you might have thought I said Carter originally. Because what you replied to me is exactly what I thought about Carter

Yeah no I misunderstood. You are right about young and Carter didn’t get enough opportunities. He made really good runs for TDS from 20 plus yards.

 

[weevilcatch]

Yeah Davis did play great you are right i was just mentioning the losses Orlando had to adjust for .

Yeah, my only point is that we laud TO, and rightly so, but hammer TB. Beck has his shortcomings for sure as I've stated but it's hard to make a complete evaluation with so much misfortune and youngsters.

However, I did not see much progression from many players and that is alarming.

 

[eda5420]

Yeah, my only point is that we laud TO, and rightly so, but hammer TB. Beck has his shortcomings for sure as I've stated but it's hard to make a complete evaluation with so much misfortune and youngsters.

However, I did not see much progression from many players and that is alarming.

Yeah the defense was solid but seemed like they fizzeled at the end of the season. I think we all hammer TB because the defenses in the Big 12 are normally not very good but we still can’t run the ball or pass the ball. TO held top ranked offenses to season lows. Like Oklahoma State, Oklahoma. But allowed Maryland and K-State and of course Tech to have success.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Who on this team was gonna go for 1000 yards this year? LOL.

http://www.texassports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7252Chris Warren 3 came into this season with 5 career 100 yard rushing games (1150 yards total). He was named to the 2017 preseason Maxwell Award watch list, named preseason All-Big 12 by Athlon Sports.

He should have been the guy. But, like Shane, Chris got worse.

 

[dj701919]

Tired of him already. The entire f*cking world knew that the Tim Beck hire was a disaster in the making — aside from our offensive genius of a head coach, of course. And even with the benefit of an entire goddamned season of hindsight, the genius will still misdiagnose the problems.

Another losing season of Texas football is almost in the books. Can’t end soon enough.

So you aren't laying everything on TB?

 

[eda5420]

However, I did not see much progression from many players and that is alarming.

Yeah this is very alarming.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Yeah, my only point is that we laud TO, and rightly so, but hammer TB. Beck has his shortcomings for sure as I've stated but it's hard to make a complete evaluation with so much misfortune and youngsters.

However, I did not see much progression from many players and that is alarming.

I agree. But, it gets easier when you study his past at Ohio State & Nebraska.

 

[madcow12]

 

[clob94]

I have 2 points:

1. The combination of injuries, inexperience, attrition, and poor recruiting makes evaluation of the performance of our offense very difficult and based on those factors, I'm not going to lay it all at the feet of the OC.

2. Every play that loses yardage or doesn't result in a 1st down, wasn't a bad play call and every player that fails to improve wasn't poorly coached. There are way more factors involved.

Sports talk bluster is crying about a the OC sucking and adding nothing of substance to back it up.

I've got miles and miles if specific sh!t I can get into, I just don' feel like chronologically organizing it right now.

Suffice it to say, I'll wait until after the bowl game to air my factually based opinions.

 

[ryan_sublett]

I tend to agree, everyone except Young didn't seem to progress. However, what losses did Orlando deal with through the course of the season?

No doubt there were some injuries on offense. I’m not pinning everything on Beck, but you don’t have to be the sole reason for failure to be bad at your job and lose your job.

 

[weevilcatch]

http://www.texassports.com/roster.aspx?rp_id=7252Chris Warren 3 came into this season with 5 career 100 yard rushing games (1150 yards total). He was named to the 2017 preseason Maxwell Award watch list, named preseason All-Big 12 by Athlon Sports.

He should have been the guy. But, like Shane, Chris got worse.

Did he not look heavier and slower to you? He sure did to me.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

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But it so hard to evaluate Beck...

 

[BringBackRoyal]

So you aren't laying everything on TB?

Nope. Even there -- in a post made in the heat of emotion just minutes after the loss -- I'm not laying "everything" on Beck. Anything else?

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Did he not look heavier and slower to you? He sure did to me.

I don’t know. But if I’m coach Herman, I find out who my key players are on day 1. The media guide lists them.

I do my best to ensure they are ready to play my brand of football on opening day.

 

[weevilcatch]

I agree. But, it gets easier when you study his past at Ohio State & Nebraska.

True. I always like to give guys a chance to self reflect and make adjustments, but it seems very few football coaches can do that because of their ego. The great coaches know how to swallow their pride and change if their not successful.

Mack and GD had a pro style O and then went to other coaches to learn the spread with the zone read as their base. Now, you might dislike those two but they never stopped learning and adapting.

Mack tried again in 2010 and failed, but at least he wasn't an arrogant ass that wouldn't self reflect.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I like Mack. He brought us a title.

 

[madcow12]

It is disturbing that OSU can field a offense like they do when they are in the middle of freaking nowhere, same goes for other teams that run the spread. The fact that this offense did not get better from day one is on the head of the OC and the HC. There are no more excuses......

 

[weevilcatch]

But it so hard to evaluate Beck...

I didn't take that as a slight on Beck. Holy shit, they tried about 5 different plays from that spot and nothing worked. It's not like it was QB power for 0 all 8 plays.

 

[madcow12]

I like Mack. He brought us a title.

He was the last one to get us to 8 wins... 2011 -8 2012 - 9 2013 - 8..... word to the wise...do not get the "NEW" coach because he had one great year cough....Strong...Cough...Herman......

 

[weevilcatch]

I don’t know. But if I’m coach Herman, I find out who my key players are on day 1. The media guide lists them.

I do my best to ensure they are ready to play my brand of football on opening day.

And maybe Warren didn't "ready" himself...which is why he didn't play much.

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

I didn't take that as a slight on Beck. Holy shit, they tried about 5 different plays from that spot and nothing worked. It's not like it was QB power for 0 all 8 plays.

That was in gist and not towards anyone. Sorry

 

[eda5420]

And maybe Warren didn't "ready" himself...which is why he didn't play much.

That’s what I’m thinking. He was also injured in spring correct?

 

[4MNChampsHorn]

Gentlemen, great dialogue, as usual. Enjoy your evening. Happy Thanksgiving.

 

[weevilcatch]

That’s what I’m thinking. He was also injured in spring correct?

I think so.

Just to be clear...I'm not thrilled with Beck. I didn't see players getting better. I don't see it getting better. However, I give benefit of doubt that a coach making that much can swallow his pride and self reflect.

On a side note, Oregon looks like a bunch of Ninja Turtles

 

[eda5420]

I think so.

Just to be clear...I'm not thrilled with Beck. I didn't see players getting better. I don't see it getting better. However, I give benefit of doubt that a coach making that much can swallow his pride and self reflect.

On a side note, Oregon looks like a bunch of Ninja Turtles

That I can acknowledge and respect. Yeah Oregon looks pretty sweet and Auburn played very well tonight.

 

[LonghornMM]

If Herman doesn't want to replace Beck, then he should get very involved in the play calling. Either he calls all of the plays, or as he hears them called on the headset, if he doesn't like the call he over rules Beck and calls something else.

 

[eda5420]

If Herman doesn't want to replace Beck, then he should get very involved in the play calling. Either he calls all of the plays, or as he hears them called on the headset, if he doesn't like the call he over rules Beck and calls something else.

That would be ideal for that situation. Maybe with a healthy consistent starting line Texas can be better.

 

[LonghornMM]

That would be ideal for that situation. Maybe with a healthy consistent starting line Texas can be better.

Yes, a healthy, competent OL is a must. As good as D'Onta was last year, I guarantee you that he wouldn't come close to 2,000 yards behind this year's OL.

 

[eda5420]

Yes, a healthy, competent OL is a must. As good as D'Onta was last year, I guarantee you that he wouldn't come close to 2,000 yards behind this year's OL.

Oh absolutely not. He would struggle to reach 1,000. After settling down, Herman just needs to respond. Meringer needs to respond and Beck needs to do the same. I think an off-season and a fall camp will improve this teams basic needs.

 

[ryan_sublett]

If Herman doesn't want to replace Beck, then he should get very involved in the play calling. Either he calls all of the plays, or as he hears them called on the headset, if he doesn't like the call he over rules Beck and calls something else.

I beleive he has said at his press conferences that he has overruled some plays. How often has never been asked though. I have a feeling it’s been relatively rare. He has stated on more than one occasion he doesn’t want to call plays. That major did the playcalling at Houston and Beck will do it here. Taking him at his word on all that he has to go get a a quality OC so he can be the kind of CEO HC he wants to be. Not firing Watson after year 1 when it was ovbious to everyone it needed to be done is imo was did Stromg in more than anything else. Hopefully Herman doesn’t follow that same path. Despite not being a fan of the hire I’d rather be wrong and Texas succceed with him at the helm.

I bashed Strong fir being reluctant to take over the defense when it was bad, and same thing goes for Herman. You are a HC because of your ability as a coordinator. If your team is struggling on your side of the ball you should take more control and fix it(or at least try)

 

[2300 Nueces]

The reason Herman does not want to fire Beck is that they are two peas from the same pod. Firing Beck will be an admission that TH's offensive scheme as well as decisions are suspect. Beck looks like a comfort hire. They think alike. A new OC will propably conflict with TH's ego and hence thought process. This is a sign of a coach that is still wet behind the ears. TH may be in over his head.

 

[easttx903]

hope there is a lot of water on cereal in tim beck and tom hermans house this off season.