How about some change of Rules?

[swVAHorn]

The offense has ALL the rules in its favor it seems. What rules could be put in place to help the defense?
1. CALL HOLDING!
2. call picks
3. call illegal man downfield
4. ALLOW contact during a tackle? The ball carrier can truck a defender when he lowers HIS head but defender can't do the same.
5. ? minimum time between plays?

I just think something has to be done or it will end up being who gets the ball last. Some of the fans (like me) love defense too.
What do you all think?

 

[littleton tiger]

I 100% agree Horn.

 

[oldhorn2]

I agree with the first 3 ...I am ok with number4 , but I am against 5. If the defense can't keep up, shame on em

 

[Belldozer1]

The offense has ALL the rules in its favor it seems. What rules could be put in place to help the defense?
1. CALL HOLDING!
2. call picks
3. call illegal man downfield
4. ALLOW contact during a tackle? The ball carrier can truck a defender when he lowers HIS head but defender can't do the same.
5. ? minimum time between plays?

I just think something has to be done or it will end up being who gets the ball last. Some of the fans (like me) love defense too.
What do you all think?

I thought you told me that the reason your team was bad the last 2 years was because the offense couldn't move the ball, thus leaving the defense on the field the whole game? I called bs then and now that your offense is moving the ball, your defense is still bad. Now you're wanting to change the rules to make your defense look better? WTF? Are you related to Saban? Recruiting some speed in your secondary may be a good place to start, our receiver Williams made them look really slow. I thought Texas was faster than that in the secondary.

 

[oldschoolcat]

You mean like this?

 

[HornDrummer]

The offense has ALL the rules in its favor it seems. What rules could be put in place to help the defense?
1. CALL HOLDING!
2. call picks
3. call illegal man downfield
4. ALLOW contact during a tackle? The ball carrier can truck a defender when he lowers HIS head but defender can't do the same.
5. ? minimum time between plays?

I just think something has to be done or it will end up being who gets the ball last. Some of the fans (like me) love defense too.
What do you all think?

#1, #1, #1, #1 and #1.

That would pretty much solve the damn problem.

 

[HornDrummer]

You mean like this?

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Exactly. 72 was smoked and did nothing but blatantly cheat. Result, 1st down Auburn and not the sack that was earned. It's obvious, and it 100 percent changes the outcome of games, every Saturday. And don't give me this "holding occurs on every snap" garbage, because that's just not true.

The best rule change would be an official in the box or somewhere with a monitor that shows multiple angles on the LOS on every snap. My dad was an official and I know how hard it is to see it at full speed up close. But it just has too much effect on the game not to make damn sure it doesn't happen.

 

[dtrain87]

The offense has ALL the rules in its favor it seems. What rules could be put in place to help the defense?
1. CALL HOLDING!
2. call picks
3. call illegal man downfield
4. ALLOW contact during a tackle? The ball carrier can truck a defender when he lowers HIS head but defender can't do the same.
5. ? minimum time between plays?

I just think something has to be done or it will end up being who gets the ball last. Some of the fans (like me) love defense too.
What do you all think?

This is called FORM tackling!!! Helmet to helmet hits happen all game, just not with a defenseless player, like a WR. Once WR turns up field and makes FB move he is no longer defenseless. Hitting folks with the crown of the helmet is called spearing and is the cause of many neck and spinal injuries to DEFENDERS. #4 is a moot point. LBs and guys in the box have head to head collisions all game long with ball carriers and blockers.

 

[bubba2023]

Actually enforcing the offensive penalties on the book would be a good start, but unfortunately the majority seem to think that a 50-45 score with 1200 yards of offense is a good game, so the chances of this happening are slim and none.

4 aint happening. If anything new rules will keep being added to further blur the lines of what is a legal tackle.

 

[JohnsBrother]

If there's officiating bias, it applies to all teams rather evenly. I am a Texas HS football official (umpire) and don't really see that much holding in the interior line. It happens more frequently in the secondary.

 

[bubba2023]

If there's officiating bias, it applies to all teams rather evenly. I am a Texas HS football official (umpire) and don't really see that much holding in the interior line. It happens more frequently in the secondary.

I don't think the point of this thread is about ref bias against particular team, just the difficulty of playing defense in general the way the game is currently enforced.

 

[dj701919]

Show me a team that runs the spread and I'll show you a team that holds. If officials don't set the tone early in the game, you could be in for a long night.

 

[diadevic]

No. 2 is my pet peeve. The pick is impossible to cover when receiver no. 2 is essentially blocking down field before the ball is thrown.

 

[dj701919]

No. 2 is my pet peeve. The pick is impossible to cover when receiver no. 2 is essentially blocking down field before the ball is thrown.

Aren't you a Baylor fan.

 

[diadevic]

Aren't you a Baylor fan.

Well, I was talking about the 5 yard crossing patterns downfield, but now that you mention it ...

 

[clob94]

The offense has ALL the rules in its favor it seems. What rules could be put in place to help the defense?
1. CALL HOLDING!
2. call picks
3. call illegal man downfield
4. ALLOW contact during a tackle? The ball carrier can truck a defender when he lowers HIS head but defender can't do the same.
5. ? minimum time between plays?

I just think something has to be done or it will end up being who gets the ball last. Some of the fans (like me) love defense too.
What do you all think?

Aaaaaaand now you've just come up with the same formula the NFL uses to keep its games close, keep Vegas making money, and keep rating high.

Let me ask ya'll a question--- what is easier to pick in Vegas?
Dallas -3.5 vs Washington

OR

Bama -14 vs Kentucky?

Pro is WAY more difficult to predict-- hence, you're giving Vegas an advantage. I know that betting lines are influenced by the amount of money bet on one team vs another team, but when you see lines like these-- an experienced better would take bama over betting on dallas. But if the NCAA can get teams more evenly matched, it makes predicting these games more difficult which means more losers in Vegas. More losers = more money.

 

[bubba2023]

I don't think it's about making teams more evenly matched. It's about better balance between offense and defense. That is still going to allow for parity as the bigger programs simply have access to better players. None of the issues in the OP are going to close the gap between Bama and Kentucky. The NFL is a league of parity because of free agency and the Draft not because how the call the games. Unless you are arguing they call the games more favorably for certain teams to create parity.

 

[bubba2023]

Also you are not picking who wins you are betting against the spread. Doesn't Vegas use that to effectively keep action on both sides so they always win? If the spread is set appropriately isn't equally as difficult to pick a +/- 3.5 as it is a +/- 14? I am not a betting man so these are all question out of ignorance.

I do understand that given the # of schools and other variables that appropriately setting the spread in college is way more difficult than in the NFL, but nothing in this thread addresses that imo.

 

[clob94]

I don't think it's about making teams more evenly matched. It's about better balance between offense and defense. That is still going to allow for parity as the bigger programs simply have access to better players. None of the issues in the OP are going to close the gap between Bama and Kentucky. The NFL is a league of parity because of free agency and the Draft not because how the call the games. Unless you are arguing they call the games more favorably for certain teams to create parity.

Do you see much balance right now in the NCAA with regard to offense vs defense? I'm seeing teams score 78 points. I'm seeing 59-56 shoot outs with zero advantage given to the D. I'm seeing NBA all star game type defense being played.

The NCAA tried to level the playing field when it lowered Scholly numbers years ago. Fewer scholarships effectively limits the amount of talent one team can stock up on. Ncaa doesn't want to lower the number again because that effectively means fewer kids get access to an education, so to level the field further, they create defensive handcuffs to give an advantage to b the offenses.

 

[swVAHorn]

I agree with the first 3 ...I am ok with number4 , but I am against 5. If the defense can't keep up, shame on em

I agree...I just brought it up because some coaches have....

I don't think the point of this thread is about ref bias against particular team, just the difficulty of playing defense in general the way the game is currently enforced.

For the aggys and okies who are mentally challenged...I just put up some IDEAS! I did not say "do these things"....I gave some examples...read it slowly and it may help you.

The 2 things I would do is call Holding and call the picks from the receivers for sure. The others are up for debate.

 

[swVAHorn]

You mean like this?

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Yes

 

[bubba2023]

Do you see much balance right now in the NCAA with regard to offense vs defense? I'm seeing teams score 78 points. I'm seeing 59-56 shoot outs with zero advantage given to the D. I'm seeing NBA all star game type defense being played.

The NCAA tried to level the playing field when it lowered Scholly numbers years ago. Fewer scholarships effectively limits the amount of talent one team can stock up on. Ncaa doesn't want to lower the number again because that effectively means fewer kids get access to an education, so to level the field further, they create defensive handcuffs to give an advantage to b the offenses.

No I don't see balance. I thought that was the point of the thread, rule changes to create balance not parity. I don't see how rules that favor the offense creates parity as the better programs still have access to better offensive players. So their offenses will be better. It just creates more offense which seems to be what the typical viewer wants. I would rather see a 30-25 game than a 50-45 game.

 

[swVAHorn]

No I don't see balance. I thought that was the point of the thread, rule changes to create balance not parity. I don't see how rules that favor the offense creates parity as the better programs still have access to better offensive players. So their offenses will be better. It just creates more offense which seems to be what the typical viewer wants. I would rather see a 30-25 game than a 50-45 game.

I like watching a great defense. No I don't want 7-3 games but I hate the huge scores today. I think defense needs to be 50% of the game...now it is maybe 25%...or less.

 

[Belldozer1]

I like watching a great defense. No I don't want 7-3 games but I hate the huge scores today. I think defense needs to be 50% of the game...now it is maybe 25%...or less.

Get a tough aggressive defense and most of your problems will be solved. These finesse polite defenses with 210lb linebackers just ain't cutting it. Adding more rules isn't going to make your db's any more talented nor help their coverage skills.

 

[bubba2023]

Get a tough aggressive defense and most of your problems will be solved. These finesse polite defenses with 210lb linebackers just ain't cutting it. Adding more rules isn't going to make your db's any more talented nor help their coverage skills.

Where are they? Alabama? Ohio State? The two programs that are on a completely other level than anyone else, and employ coaches that are among the greatest of all time. Just be more like them?

 

[Belldozer1]

Where are they? Alabama? Ohio State? The two programs that are on a completely other level than anyone else, and employ coaches that are among the greatest of all time. Just be more like them?

Yep just be more like them. I mean we're paying our coaches about the same, is it too much to expect the same? In my mind, that's what that kind of money should get you at UT and OU. Just as a reminder, Houston didn't seem to have a problem with OU's spread, nor did Clemson. We both have shitty coaches, bottom line who have sold out rather then take the time to have great defenses. Both schools fundamentals are beyond stupid when you watch them play.

 

[bubba2023]

That may be the case. But I am not arguing as a Texas fan wanting these changes because our defense sucks, I don't like seeing this crap in other games as well, and the solution can't be to just hire an elite staff because there is only so few of those around.

When the 20th ranked team faces off against the 30 ranked team I am tired of seeing a 55-50 game.

 

[topdecktiger]

If you really want to change things, don't allow lineman to use their hands while blocking (like it was in the old days).

 

[swVAHorn]

It seems some people just don't understand that this thread is NOT ABOUT TEXAS. It is about college football in general. There is no defense including Alabama and Ohio St. that shut down decent offenses week in and week out.

 

[ASURAM2010]

It seems some people just don't understand that this thread is NOT ABOUT TEXAS. It is about college football in general. There is no defense including Alabama and Ohio St. that shut down decent offenses week in and week out.

Does BC have a pretty darn good defense? I thought last year they had a really good one, not sure about this year. And that's playing in the ACC

 

[Belldozer1]

It seems some people just don't understand that this thread is NOT ABOUT TEXAS. It is about college football in general. There is no defense including Alabama and Ohio St. that shut down decent offenses week in and week out.

I think the rules are fine if properly enforced. I definitely saw the ref's miss some calls against Texas in the RRS which if enforced may have had a different outcome on the score. OU was able to overcome that stuff but it sure didn't help. I just add that defenses need to play better, no rules need changing, it's called being accountable as a coach.

 

[westx]

I called bs then and now that your offense is moving the ball, your defense is still bad. Now you're wanting to change the rules to make your defense look better? WTF?

swVA doesn't have a history of being a Strong apologist. Rules excessively favoring the offense is just an issue he has been pretty consistent on for a long while. I will further add that, yes, the existing rules should be better enforced. In addition, if some schools get away with ie lineman downfield, then other schools don't take advantage because they think it is illegal. It should be consistent and clear, so that all coaches can design plays that can do what the rules allow

 

[swVAHorn]

swVA doesn't have a history of being a Strong apologist. Rules excessively favoring the offense is just an issue he has been pretty consistent on for a long while. I will further add that, yes, the existing rules should be better enforced. In addition, if some schools get away with ie lineman downfield, then other schools don't take advantage because they think it is illegal. It should be consistent and clear, so that all coaches can design plays that can do what the rules allow

Thanks westx...and I agree with your post 100%. Be consistent for every team in every league.

 

[ekal48]

I don't enjoy watching a 55-53 game at all. Unless Texas playing, I usually turn the game off.

I believe there has been a shift of where the coaches play their players also. Seems like the best athletes, especially the db receiver types used to be put on defense. Now it seems to be the opposite.

You see db's that can run with a receiver, but when it comes to making a play on the ball most db's are totally outmatched physically and given the reluctance of officials to call offensive pass interference, the offense usually wins those battles.

 

[clob94]

I don't enjoy watching a 55-53 game at all. Unless Texas playing, I usually turn the game off.

I believe there has been a shift of where the coaches play their players also. Seems like the best athletes, especially the db receiver types used to be put on defense. Now it seems to be the opposite.

You see db's that can run with a receiver, but when it comes to making a play on the ball most db's are totally outmatched physically and given the reluctance of officials to call offensive pass interference, the offense usually wins those battles.

Well-- if you've got a 6'1 200lb dude that is your best athlete- do you want him out there stopping people from scoring points, or do you want him out there scoring points for you?

That's the long and short of the coach's mentality.