If Texas gets Hudson and Cobb
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You can go way back to the beginning & I predicted two things. Both before we started conversations. I predicted ND 30 UT 17 & I predicted Texas will win 8 games.
Obviously I took heat for my score prediction, but I was all in on 8 wins from the beginning.
Like I said, I'm leaning towards 9 wins. I'm trying to figure out how good Cal, Baylor, OSU, TTU are going to be?
I'm going to say 7 maybe 8 wins. Texas was bad last year... really bad. Talent will be there but it's young.
I try not to just pick wins without looking at the schedule. Like the gentleman who said I was crazy predicting ND 10 wins, but couldn't tell me who is on their schedule.
I looked at Texas' schedule & there are probably four games that could go either way? That's why it's so tough.
Ha ok let me be more precise. Since 2010, we haven't produced a college level QB (Ash had potential), our O line has gotten a little worse every year, our defense has gone from annually top 5 in the nation to historically bad. Strong inherited many of these problems, but has failed to correct any of them to date. We all know this story.
This year, the team is loaded with weapons. It would honestly be difficult to find a way to make this offense unproductive. The online should be better than it has been for years. Our three best D players were freshman last year who return with a year of experience. It's almost idiot proof. Now let's see them actually win.
Kind of a weird year. For as bad as Texas was, they beat OU and Baylor, should have beaten OSU, and got hammered by TCU. If I look at next year, OU and OSU should be good. Baylor it's impossible to tell until we see how they are effected. TCU lost a lot of talent at both QB and WR. They won't be the same. If Texas can win 2 of those 4 games again this year, I think you see them take care of business against the Tech's and ISUs of the world. 8-4 if they can beat Cal. 7-5 without. Frosh QB scares the crap out of me, but the OLine will be good enough to cover some of that up against average teams.
Ok Farly....I will make you the same deal I make Fizz every year. If ND wins( however it happens Scoreboard trumps lousy officiating,fumbles high winds or any thing else) I will walk out in front of my house and sing that sorry assed ND fight song. If Texas wins, you walk out in front of your house and sing the Texas fight song. I dont need a hand shake or film, just you say you will do it and I accecpt that. I tell you I will do it, so there it is.
For those keeping score at home...Fizz and I have each had to go out and sing it...go in and gargle battery acid and try and recover for the next year.
Deal?
For those keeping score at home...Fizz and I have each had to go out and sing it...go in and gargle battery acid and try and recover for the next year.
Deal?
6'3" 293 Freshman Center - 2 Star Prospect
6'3" 279 Sophomore - Walk On
6'3" 291 RS Fr - Converted Defensive Tackle
6'3" 305 Jr - 2 Star Prospect
6'5" 300 Sr - 0 Star Prospect
That was the Tulsa Oline Mattox and Sterlin Gilbert started against OU last year in Norman (their first year there so they inherited this mess).
They promptly put up 603 yards and 38 points (24 in the first half) against the Sooners. The Texas offense is about to get a whole lot better.
6'3" 279 Sophomore - Walk On
6'3" 291 RS Fr - Converted Defensive Tackle
6'3" 305 Jr - 2 Star Prospect
6'5" 300 Sr - 0 Star Prospect
That was the Tulsa Oline Mattox and Sterlin Gilbert started against OU last year in Norman (their first year there so they inherited this mess).
They promptly put up 603 yards and 38 points (24 in the first half) against the Sooners. The Texas offense is about to get a whole lot better.
But it's the same offense who could only put up 17 on east carolina a few weeks later with all the same offensive stars. I was thinking they'd have a top 5 offense all season long after seeing what they did in Norman. But 15th isnt bad either. Then again, southern miss was #7.
That East Carolina game was their worst game of the season. And they still had 500 yards.
They inherited about as bad of a OL depth chart that one could possibly inherit. And a QB that was a statue who the previous season as a RS sophomore had a 120 pass rating along with 23 TDs against 17 picks.
Gilbert coached the QB up to a 151 pass rating with 28 TDs and8 interceptions. Went from 2800 yards passing to 4300. Yards per attempt went from 6.7 to 8.9.
Tulsa had a good WR. Senior Keyarris Garrett who had 1600 yards receiving -- but the year before he had 700 yards receiving. Besides that they had dog crap. Texas has a lot of weapons on offense. The Tulsa offense went from the 93rd scoring offense to the 21st scoring offense in one year (25 points per game to 37 points per game).
I'm aware that was their worst game, that's why I chose it. Surely you chose the OU game to highlight their best effort of the season considering who it was against as a reason to be excited about a Gilbert offense. So, yeah, if you get the kind of effort and game plan you saw against OU, he'll be a star for you. But he's also shown his offense can struggle to find the end zone sometimes too, so it's not exactly just a plug and play type offense where just anyone excels at any time. Should be a very good offense for texas for a while, but I thought the same thing when they hired Harsin.
The Texas offense is going to be salty with two monster RB's near 240 that run sub 4.6 and a much more seasoned OL. Big 12 defensive backs arent built to stop these cats... and that dud OU lost to last season is truly in the rear-view mirror.
The system is proven, it is what it is. And...We have the personnel to run the offense!
Houston and Memphis were pretty damn salty last year and Tulsa hung with them as well as the Sooners.
The veer and shoot is a power spread offense, it's not difficult to run and it's hard to contain. It's all about personnel and Texas has the kids to be successful in this scheme.
This is the offense that Gilbert runs and Art Briles was not excited to see Texas hire him...
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/11/7/5073520/baylor-football-offense-art-briles-2013
Gilbert is not simply a Briles protege, he refined his style among others.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/3/21/11248708/syracuse-downloads-briles-ball
The system is proven, it is what it is. And...We have the personnel to run the offense!
Houston and Memphis were pretty damn salty last year and Tulsa hung with them as well as the Sooners.
The veer and shoot is a power spread offense, it's not difficult to run and it's hard to contain. It's all about personnel and Texas has the kids to be successful in this scheme.
This is the offense that Gilbert runs and Art Briles was not excited to see Texas hire him...
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2013/11/7/5073520/baylor-football-offense-art-briles-2013
Gilbert is not simply a Briles protege, he refined his style among others.
http://www.sbnation.com/college-football/2016/3/21/11248708/syracuse-downloads-briles-ball
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A couple of things...first I love your running backs, they could potentially start anywhere but LSU. Second regarding Tulsa it seems you may not be giving Montgomery the credit he probably deserves for that offense, it will be interesting to see how Gilbert does on his own (regardless I believe he is an upgrade with a high ceiling). Your oline really started to gel last season once you switched to Doyle at center, not that he was the lone reason but he seemed to provide stability so the center position IMO is a big piece of the puzzle regarding oline play. I know everyone hated him and he was a terrible recruiter but I still think you are going to miss Wickline as an oline coach, from a coaching perspective he is one of the best in the country, JMO. Lastly, you still don't know if you have a QB who can run this system going into 2016. I like Buechelle and think he really has a future but a true fish doing it is a tough tough task, it will be very impressive if he can do it this season. The OU offense should be pretty elite but I have a lot of questions about their defense, if your oline play is good then I can see you guys really handling them on the ground.
On the plus side, Shane was already in this style offense. Mistakes will happen, but he is the guy. Swoopes has upside in this offense as well but it takes him to long to think and he stares down receivers and then there is Heard who simply doesn't seem to have the touch on simple passes. Buechelle is the most accurate and complete QB for the offense and he wants the job. Heard and Swoopes don't have the leadership skills but they both are capable backups.
If you have IT, you have IT...folks are simply used to QB's being red shirted and having upper classmen that can play the position. Same with OL.
http://campusinsiders.com/news/best-true-freshmen-college-football-history-03-28-2016
The IT factor is something you have or you don't.
Posted 08 July 2015 - 01:16 PM
Sounds like Texas may have finally found an answer at QB in their 2016 commitment of Shane Buechele...
Texas Longhorns quarterback commit Shane Buechele is far from the most highly-ranked quarterback at the Elite 11 Finals at Nike World Headquarters, but he's currently the best as he continues to lead the field after three days of competition:
The 2015 #Elite11 Finals rankings heading into Day 4 of the competition
1. Shane Buechele
2. Anthony Russo
3. Dwayne Haskins
4. Jarrett Guarantano
5. KJ Costello
6. Nick Starkel
7. Jacob Eason
8. Feleipe Franks
9. Shea Patterson
10. Brandon Mcllwain
11. Malik Henry
The 6'2, 185-pounder is having quite a week -- not only has he shown off his football dribbling skills, he's also made a major impression on Elite 11 coach Trent Dilfer.
"The way his hips, core, shoulders unwind, the way the ball's loaded," Dilfer told USA TODAY, "literally, it's Aaron Rodgers. It's Drew Brees good."
Indeed, while Buechele is somewhere between the heights of the 6'0 Brees and the 6'2 Rodgers, his delivery is similar, from his base to what Dilfer calls his "opposite equals" set to move the throwing motion into his upper body. Ideally, the front foot hits just as the quarterback raises the off hand and throwing hand into the plane of the shoulders.
He's already won the accuracy competition. Hell, he blew away the kids that recruiting gurus slobber over...http://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...buechele-jacob-eason-brandon-peters/29864117/
Best part, he's humble!
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Not a bad take. I will say a few things.....1. The OL should be a lot better......2. Wickline might be the most overrated coach ever......3. Buechele is not learning a complicated offense and is tailor made for this one.
Now Buechele is a freshman and he will make some mistakes though. I just don't think they will be as bad as the ones he would make in a west coast system.
jeez Heisenberg. I realize the obvious answer is embarrassing for you, but I wasn't gonna be cruel and mention that it just shows that East Carolina had that much of a better defense than OU. it's ok...I will try and not bring it up again out of respect.
Rosen was able to do it for UCLA last season so IMO if the offense is simple enough and the quarterback is good enough then it is possible. I think we've all seen our fair share of highly talented freshmen QBs struggle and still go on to be great players. Regarding Wickline, I feel I am in the rare minority that believes you guys are going to miss his coaching, I just thought the way he was able to develop an oline that was able to run the ball the way you were last season was a miracle. You had 2 or 3 nice pieces but 2 of those were true freshmen and he really did a great job getting those guys to gel. We'll see.
Fair enough. The thing is 4 of the 5 OL are back so coaching them up is not as necessary although I think the new OL coach is excellent....and a couple true freshman including Shack who will prob start will also add Quality depth. I mean talentwise Okafor, Delance are as good as any OL Texas has gotten for a while now....with Urquidez and Imade I think this has the potential to be the best line Texas has recruited in a long while.
My opinion is that either okafor or vahe should get a look at center with the other playing guard. I don't think okafor is a tackle even with his long arms because he's a hair under 6'3. If I were a Horn fan I'd hope to see (L to R) Williams, Hudson, Vahe, okafor, Perkins. I'm curious to how Hudson adapts to D1 ball but athletically since the first time I watched his film I thought his potential was Larry Allen, that's what I saw. Texas is such a wild card this year. QB and dline will determine your season IMO.
Nope. 1 maybe 2 losses.........and i have Texas beating nd.Watch and see
I will be watching for sure. 50/50 right now on being there in person. (Have 4 tickets for myself & in-laws in Dallas.)
The question is, if Texas comes out & loses by a decent amount (two scores), will everybody be down again? Right now we are all speculating & throwing out opinions, but we don't know how good either team is. I know I will be very, very disappointed with ND if they lose.
Will you be content if Texas loses but looks a lot better? Or are you all in on a win only like I am with ND?
I think Hudson is probably a better player than Shack so it wouldn't surprise me to see Vahe move to center. There was talk about that in the spring. Hudson will play one of the guard spots.
Sorry, didn't see that.
I have no problem with singing the UT fight song. I will even do it in Texas while I'm down there, have the in-laws take a pic & I will post it on here. Lol.
The deal is in front of your house where you have a chance of looking like an idiot to the neighbors . The time I lost to Fizz I didn't like it, but I did it. I doubt if he enjoyed singing it last year. We didn't trade pics, but I have no doubt that he filled out his end of the deal just like I did the year before
You're on..
You're on..
