Jimbo, $75 mil, DC $$, and aggy excuses

[mm42]

I'm talking about the 4 national championships in the modern era to your 0. Those remain plenty shiny. Lumping the 2 trophy cases in as one is disingenuous. We have titles. You don't.

You guys have a much better history, I'm not dumb enough to debate that. 2005 is modern.

But 1969 or 1970 was a long time ago. Did they even have color TV then or players of color on the team back then? I don't know because I wasn't born at the time. If it was an all white team, I struggle calling it modern.

I don't count A&M in 1939 either. It was all white, and players were actual students who played football back then. Too different to consider it the same thing.

 

[q1w2e3]

True. But those skins have cobwebs. Recent trophy cases are both empty. I do think there is a good chance you guys make the BIG12 a 2 team league again in 3 years or so.

"Recent trophy cases are both empty." Ha! By your metrics Louisiana Lafayette and Texas are parallel programs. By "recent" do you mean 2005 or 1939? Lumping Texas' and A&M's trophy cases together is delusional.

 

[q1w2e3]

At least you propelled Tech to a bowl which should bolster your overall conference quality.

Funny how A&M waits to leave the conference then from safety tries to take shots at programs like Tech that beat up on them 10-6 head to head in the Big 12.

 

[mm42]

"Recent trophy cases are both empty." Ha! By your metrics Louisiana Lafayette and Texas are parallel programs. By "recent" do you mean 2005 or 1939? Lumping Texas' and A&M's trophy cases together is delusional.

How about I say the last decade. You guys were excellent during prime Mack years. You were also excellent in the all white years of long ago.

We have never been excellent. We had a good run in the late 80's and early 90's, but we never had a run like Mack's best decade.

 

[RolloTomassi0309]

who DIDN'T beat them up?

 

[RolloTomassi0309]

2008 and 2009 were in the last decade. do those count? we were pretty good then. and we found ways to win a little bit in mack's last couple years. you remember the jihad game right?

 

[bubba2023]

Unless you are Alabama a lot of trophy cases are empty the last decade. Seems like you are just trying to hit a reset button that doesn't exist.

 

[mm42]

2008 and 2009 were in the last decade. do those count? we were pretty good then. and we found ways to win a little bit in mack's last couple years. you remember the jihad game right?

Were those the McCoy years? If so, you were good. What was the jihad game?

 

[RolloTomassi0309]

27-25 was the jihad game. the ags were going to slit throats and drink the blood of the non-belivers once and for all. then carrington byndom happened. and double pass happened. and case happened. and finally justin tucker happened.

 

[mm42]

27-25 was the jihad game. the ags were going to slit throats and drink the blood of the non-belivers once and for all. then carrington byndom happened. and double pass happened. and case happened. and finally justin tucker happened.

Good lord, we made Case a legend. That is hard to do. You beat us that year, but I wouldn't say either team was good that year.
But I'll give you the other McCoy years. Those were the last good Texas teams imo. I still don't understand why Mack tried to go from that to Bama lite style ball. He probably doesn't either. Saban killed us all.

 

[BobWeltlich]

The funny thing is there is no program that has done less with more than the 40 Acres. I challenge you to find one. With all the competitive advantages that you guys have over every team in YOUR league, you guys are the ones who should have 5 NC in the last 9 years. Sure, you own a huge advantage over us over the last 100 years. You should. We were an ROTC solely for the first 60-70 years we have played. Funny how it is pretty much even since the 70's.

Which league is better? The AAC or the Big 12? Probably the Big 12, but it is not so clear cut. The fact that the AAC had more players drafted in the NFL draft is mind boggling.

Also, mind boggling is the fact that with ALL the resources you guys have, you are just a middle of the pack program in YOUR conference.

 

[LonghornMM]

The funny thing is there is no program that has done less with more than the 40 Acres. I challenge you to find one. With all the competitive advantages that you guys have over every team in YOUR league, you guys are the ones who should have 5 NC in the last 9 years. Sure, you own a huge advantage over us over the last 100 years. You should. We were an ROTC solely for the first 60-70 years we have played. Funny how it is pretty much even since the 70's.

Which league is better? The AAC or the Big 12? Probably the Big 12, but it is not so clear cut. The fact that the AAC had more players drafted in the NFL draft is mind boggling.

Also, mind boggling is the fact that with ALL the resources you guys have, you are just a middle of the pack program in YOUR conference.

No, it is a&m who is the biggest underachiever in the nation, and it isn't even close. aggy is the definition of hype, futility, excuses, hollow promises, delusion, cheating, and blowouts. Yes, Texas is down. No question about it. It shows by the lack of guys that are drafted by the NFL out of UT.

What is a&m's excuse? aggy has had lots of players drafted in high rounds over the last five years with no impressive results on the field or trophy case. That defines underachieving.

Hate to break it to you, but the Big 10 and ACC are now better conferences than the $EC, whether you want to acknowledge it or not,

 

[RolloTomassi0309]

I CAN NAME ONE BOB! one that has the money, resources, and talent base that is almost EXACTLY the same as ours, and has won EXACTLY NOTHING, EVER!

funny that you claim the 3rd or 4th winningest program of all-time as "having done less with the most". what's funnier is that you believe this garbage! we have 4 titles; earl, ricky, worster, nobis, vince, colt; yeah we won titles in 63, 69, 70, and 05, but we were in the hunt MULTIPLE other times-- off the top of my head 77, 83, 90, 01, 08, 09.

WHEN HAS AG EVEN BEEN CLOSE???

by the way, we're middle of the pack right now, you're correct. but we're middle of the pack for 6 or 7 years. you have been average to below for 100.

 

[BobWeltlich]

No, it is a&m who is the biggest underachiever in the nation, and it isn't even close. aggy is the definition of hype, futility, excuses, hollow promises, delusion, cheating, and blowouts. And what you don't want to acknowledge is that the Big 10 and ACC are now better conferences than the $EC.

Yes, Texas is down. No question about it. It shows by the lack of guys that are drafted by the NFL out of UT. What is a&m's excuse? aggy has had lots of players drafted in high rounds over the last five years with no impressive results on the field or trophy case. That defines underachieving.

You said there is no way Jimbo was coming to A&M and that we were dreaming. We saw how that turned out.

Sorry, UT should win the BIG 12 8 years out of 10 with basically running the conference and getting everything you want.

 

[LonghornMM]

You said there is no way Jimbo was coming to A&M and that we were dreaming. We saw how that turned out.

Sorry, UT should win the BIG 12 8 years out of 10 with basically running the conference and getting everything you want.

I didn't think Jimbo would take a step down from FSU to a&m. I was wrong. Time will tell if he's any better than the previous underachievers that aggy has hired. Going by a&m's history, I expect more of the same type of results. Its who a&m is. I already acknowledged that UT is down. Moving to the $EC hasn't turned out so well for aggy, but they don't get that, lol.

 

[RolloTomassi0309]

yep. because, again, that's exactly what ag did, with, again, the exact same resources.

 

[BobWeltlich]

No, it is a&m who is the biggest underachiever in the nation, and it isn't even close. aggy is the definition of hype, futility, excuses, hollow promises, delusion, cheating, and blowouts. Yes, Texas is down. No question about it. It shows by the lack of guys that are drafted by the NFL out of UT.

What is a&m's excuse? aggy has had lots of players drafted in high rounds over the last five years with no impressive results on the field or trophy case. That defines underachieving.

Hate to break it to you, but the Big 10 and ACC are now better conferences than the $EC, whether you want to acknowledge it or not,

Big 10 was better this year, but not by near as much as you think. ACC I am not so sure.

Do you admit the Big 12 is probably the worst of the P5? You might have an argument with the PAC 12, but I think the PAC 12 has more depth.

 

[LonghornMM]

Big 10 was better this year, but not by near as much as you think. ACC I am not so sure.

Do you admit the Big 12 is probably the worst of the P5? You might have an argument with the PAC 12, but I think the PAC 12 has more depth.

I agree that the Big 12 and Pac 12 are about even. Thing is the "mighty" $EC has slipped and is no longer the dominant conference. Top the bottom, in order, I see it as, Big 10, ACC, $EC, Big 12/Pac 12.

 

[Scholz]

I struggle calling it modern.

The 60s were a while ago but it was modern football. They had the forward pass and everything.

This is what aggys do. Move the goalposts to make the gap not seem so great. It's 4-0. Sorry.

 

[oldhorn2]

I am beginning to see Bob's problem....using HIS time frame ....beginning in 1970, which he said the records were essentially the same... they were in fact 24-19 Texas...or a 26% total greater than aTm. Not to mention this included 10 out of 11 games stretch during the Jackie Sherrill years.

I also see you did not mention that Texas won 12 of the last 17 games played.

 

[Scholz]

The funny thing is there is no program that has done less with more than the 40 Acres. I challenge you to find one.

 

[BobWeltlich]

The 60s were a while ago but it was modern football. They had the forward pass and everything.

This is what aggys do. Move the goalposts to make the gap not seem so great. It's 4-0. Sorry.

You have ONE championship during my lifetime. And I am not young.

Now, you should have at least 5.

 

[Scholz]

You have ONE championship during my lifetime. And I am not young.

Well, thank the gods for Vincent Paul Young Jr. that you got to see that beautiful sight then!

Too bad you won't ever see your team do it.

 

[BobWeltlich]

I agree that the Big 12 and Pac 12 are about even. Thing is the "mighty" $EC has slipped and is no longer the dominant conference. Top the bottom, in order, I see it as, Big 10, ACC, $EC, Big 12/Pac 12.

Explain how you put the league with the top 2 teams in 3rd? Maybe 2nd.

 

[RolloTomassi0309]

i think the REPUTATION of the big12 is the worst. but actually getting out there and playing football? it's tough to run that gauntlet. how many softballs out of 9? 2? if you wanna say iowa state just got good, remember baylor just got bad. you have a bad game in the big12, you don't lose, you get boatraced. oklahoma-oklahoma state-k state-iowa state-west virginia-tcu-tech-Texas? not a gimme in the bunch, even gossling's crew, as both Texas AND Arkansas (before you get cute) can attest. stoops never had much problem with the sec-- if he had a redeemable quality, it's that he was an secsec denier and then backed it up. gundy famously said after the 9-6 that didn't happen "sounds like they should have been watching us". when did mack struggle with the sec? when his legendary qb went down early? and he was still at 24-21 late in the game.

YOU and MIZZOU did better when you left. how is this explained except that maybe the perception and the reality of what you crow about is a little out of whack (uh oh i said crow, he's chubbing up about a guy that won the heisman with a 550 yard season). only one SEC defensive coordinator had the first dang clue how to handle the wide-open offenses. his name? charlie effin strong. so we brought him over here, and it failed miserably. this isn't difficult to comprehend.

one last thing-- even if you ARE in the best conference ever known to creation... YOU... AGGIE... TEXAS A&M... HAVEN'T WON SHHHHHHHIIIIIIIII

 

[LonghornMM]

Explain how you put the league with the top 2 teams in 3rd? Maybe 2nd.

The $EC has two really good teams, Alabama and Georgia. Auburn is pretty good, but not a world beater. The rest are mediocre to really bad. Note that I said, "top to bottom" in my post above when rating the conferences.

Again, the $EC has taken several steps back over the last few years. You can choose not to acknowledge that if you want, but it is true. I attribute it to a drop off in coaching talent in the conference.

 

[oldhorn2]

Explain how you put the league with the top 2 teams in 3rd? Maybe 2nd.

well.....that pesky 5-6 bowl record might have something to do with it.....

 

[horn wild]

I guess I’ll never get it. Why would anyone care so much about your conference?

 

[Scholz]

I guess I’ll never get it. Why would anyone care so much about your conference?

 

[mm42]

The 60s were a while ago but it was modern football. They had the forward pass and everything.

This is what aggys do. Move the goalposts to make the gap not seem so great. It's 4-0. Sorry.

They had the forward pass, but not blacks. I have noticed that blacks are pretty good at football. If they weren't playing at the big boy schools, it wasn't modern. It was still a MNC, just not modern - to me.

If you took blacks out of modern football it would be worse. Same as it was in the south in the 60's.

 

[mm42]

well.....that pesky 5-6 bowl record might have something to do with it.....

Some of it is the bowl tie ins. The BIG12 and PAC12 are basically done in December. Every game in January had an SEC team. The bigger and better games are normally played in January. Maybe BIG10, ACC, & SEC do a little better job marketing their teams. Maybe the better bowls demand teams from those conferences. But BIG12 & PAC12 commissioners need to do better at their jobs.

 

[oldhorn2]

But BIG12 & PAC12 commissioners need to do better at their jobs.

By God MM42....I knew we could find common ground! I dont give a crap about the Pac12....but you are right on about the Big12 commissioner...

 

[Scholz]

They had the forward pass, but not blacks. I have noticed that blacks are pretty good at football. If they weren't playing at the big boy schools, it wasn't modern. It was still a MNC, just not modern - to me.

If you took blacks out of modern football it would be worse. Same as it was in the south in the 60's.

Fair enough. Forgive me for my skepticism that you would be singing a different tune if your circumstances were different however.

I would also submit an aggy speculating on the merits of different eras of national titles is rather pointless. It’s like Michael Dukakis criticizing presidential agendas.

 

[q1w2e3]

Were those the McCoy years? If so, you were good. What was the jihad game?

So, I guess those cobwebs aren't so thick? Within the last decade Texas has had two teams better than any in the entire existence of A&M's program.

 

[mm42]

So, I guess those cobwebs aren't so thick? Within the last decade Texas has had two teams better than any in the entire existence of A&M's program.

Yep. You guys have only been bad for the last 8 years not 10. Seemed longer, but I was wrong.