Kyle Allen
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Bring him in for sure. Competition brings out the best in athletes. We would have Shane (sophomore, full year experience) and Allen (SEC experience, 2 years left). Allen probably was too high as a 5-star #1 QB in the nation, but would provide us 2 solid options for competition and two guys with experience and talent. We haven't had that in forever.
Twitter is trending that Herman told the UH players to their face last night he wasn't leaving, so if that's true, not sure why Allen would want to follow Herman here
Twitter is trending that Herman told the UH players to their face last night he wasn't leaving, so if that's true, not sure why Allen would want to follow Herman here
I hate that. I don't mind that coaches leave but I hate when they don't have the guts to tell players they are leaving or they say they aren't and then leave town the next day. Just man up and be honest.
Shane will never play if Allen transfers. Allen is solid.
This whole season we've been 1 play away from starting Swoopes.
Okay so I've come around on Allen, especially since Shane can sit out a year and learn. Ellingher on the other hand is the softest injury prone qb I have ever seen. I really hope Herman looks around for his comfort zone which is a duel threat qb
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Stidham is still out there, maybe this will be his opportunity to come to Texas with Herman.
I'm ok with it to some extent. I just remember watching how our QB depth crumbled as we piled up several promising prospects, had a situation where it seemed like the coaches had a favorite, sometimes had dissension from the fans and players, and watched everyone transfer one by one until we were down to a thin bench that was shattered by a concussion. The number of highly rated QBs that we recruited towards the end of Mack's time at Texas was pretty significant. The number that left the program were almost equally as significant.
Stocking QB depth of players who think or know they could be getting playing time elsewhere is a delicate balancing act. I think that, when it's done right, the competition between them can help the team immensely. But we also all are aware what can happen when it isn't done right and the guy who was really only meant to be a 3rd or 4th string option (Case) is suddenly the go-to guy. That can make things messy for several years after.
Basically, if this is going to lead to Shane or Sam wondering if they're being overlooked, ehhh. If this is going to lead to Shane and Sam getting some time to develop and unifies the team, go for it.
Stocking QB depth of players who think or know they could be getting playing time elsewhere is a delicate balancing act. I think that, when it's done right, the competition between them can help the team immensely. But we also all are aware what can happen when it isn't done right and the guy who was really only meant to be a 3rd or 4th string option (Case) is suddenly the go-to guy. That can make things messy for several years after.
Basically, if this is going to lead to Shane or Sam wondering if they're being overlooked, ehhh. If this is going to lead to Shane and Sam getting some time to develop and unifies the team, go for it.
The way I see it, if we had Allen, we would have the QB depth necessary to make a legit run for the playoffs. Buechele is a great freshmen QB, and with his work ethic I expect him to also be a great QB moving forward; especially under the leadership of Herman. However, we are one hit away from having Merrick be in the game, or Erlinger. I'm not ready for that.
We also have to deal with the learning curve of implementing the new offense, something I don't want to see again. With Kyle Allen we have a guy come in that can both do the job but also knows what he is doing. I don't know if he is better than Buechele or not, but I know he is talented and would add a healthy dose of competition to the mix. Besides, if he were to come to Texas and we were successful, I'd expect him to declare for the draft and leave Buechele to take over as a junior.
We also have to deal with the learning curve of implementing the new offense, something I don't want to see again. With Kyle Allen we have a guy come in that can both do the job but also knows what he is doing. I don't know if he is better than Buechele or not, but I know he is talented and would add a healthy dose of competition to the mix. Besides, if he were to come to Texas and we were successful, I'd expect him to declare for the draft and leave Buechele to take over as a junior.
Per Texags, Tom Herman & former Baylor QB Jarrett Stidham are communicating. This is on Stidhham's Twitter:
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I would love to have both Allen and Stidham come to Texas. From what I know, Stidham is going to enroll at aggy, unless the hiring of Herman changes his mind.
I officially want Stidham more than I want Allen. Not because he is better, but because he is officially going to make the aggsy lose their minds.
Stidham sat out last year at McLennan Community College. That was the most dumbfounding move I've ever seen. Go anywhere, ANYWHERE, and redshirt, learn the system, meet/get to know your teammates, etc. Instead, he sits on a couch. The only reasonable explanation is that he was waiting to see where Briles ended up, which now appears to be nowhere. Given the view of Briles as Satan on here --- does that worry anyone that Stidham is so tied to Briles (assuming that is the reason he sat out)? And BTW - get either of Allen or Stidham, and I predict 10 wins next year.
I have another explanation for you. By going to CC he doesn't lose any eligibility and he gets the freedom to transfer to any school he wants to go to. If he spent that time working with a personal trainer he could be coming in bigger stronger and faster. He still has his redshirt and all his remaining eligibility.
But the real key is no one can tell him where he can and can't go.
But didn't he have that option already? The ship was burning at end of spring -- he could have gone to Texas, A&M, Auburn, or whoever else is in the running, and at least learned the playbook. But having said that - I would take him in a heart beat. He has a howitzer for an arm. He may be a saint, he may be a prima donna - regardless, I'd be willing to put up with a little bit of drama for a talent like him.
No, he was at the mercy of Baylor on who he could transfer to. They had to release him, so if they were going to play hard ball with him, all he had to do was what he did and they have no say in where he goes now.
What is the rule? I thought they could keep him out of Big XII for 2 years, but anywhere else he just has to sit out a redshirt year - is that not correct? Assuming rumors of him to ATM are true, then doesn't make sense. Unless he wanted to go to another Big XII school all along. Regardless - certainly a nontraditional route. Hope he ends up in Austin.
"By going to CC he doesn't lose any eligibility..."
Not sure that's true. Once you enroll at a Division I school, you have five years to complete four. There are, of course, exceptions to the rule. Like the medical hardship rule, etc. But I think he still loses one of those five years. If he hadn't redshirted yet, he could use it as a redshirt year. But it's still counted as one of his five.
That's the way it used to be. If it's changed, please let me know.
Not sure that's true. Once you enroll at a Division I school, you have five years to complete four. There are, of course, exceptions to the rule. Like the medical hardship rule, etc. But I think he still loses one of those five years. If he hadn't redshirted yet, he could use it as a redshirt year. But it's still counted as one of his five.
That's the way it used to be. If it's changed, please let me know.
He has 5 years to play 4. By going the community college route he can go anywhere he wants. Baylor could have applied conditions to his release.
If you transfer within the Big 12 (assuming the school even allows it) you sit out a year, and lose another year of eligibility. You don't sit out 2 years.
If Stidham is going to aggy he certainly would have been better off just simply transferring there. He would have the same amount of eligibility and he would have time in the system. My guess it all happened so fast at Baylor he didn't really know where to go. It's not like he was a disgruntled player that had been planning a transfer for months. Just taking the year off gave him options in that regard.
I'd gladly take Allen in a heartbeat, and put me in the camp that he starts over Shane day 1. Shane leaves a lot to be desired. Obviously would take Stidham but that seems more like a pipe dream. Also our QB depth is atrocious again with Heard going to WR and Locksley out, so a grad transfer or JUCO guy is almost a necessity.
It would be kind of funny if Allen and Stidham both went to Texas. I would love to see Stidham start over Allen and have Allen pissed off all over again. Dude doesn't like the competition and pouts when someone else might be better. A&M to Houston to Texas is not a great sign of character, BUT to me much of that whole situation comes down to Sumlin mishandling things. If Stidham and Allen both went to Texas that would be my only things I could at least turn into a positive is if Allen has to ride the pine.
I'll take Allen, Stidham, and any other former 4-5 star QB that wants to transfer to us. I'll throw Shane and Elhinger in the mix and see what happens.
What's that saying about the cream rising to the top?
Additionally, I don't want any of those guys if they choose to go else where because they are afraid to compete for the job.
It doesn't seem real complicated.
What's that saying about the cream rising to the top?
Additionally, I don't want any of those guys if they choose to go else where because they are afraid to compete for the job.
It doesn't seem real complicated.
Number don't really work out for us taking more than two QBs this cycle. I'd prefer to take Allen just because he would give Buechele a chance to possibly redshirt and learn the offense. My guess is if he were to come and have a good year he would leave for the draft and Buechele would be back as the starter will a solid Ehlinger as his backup.
