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Manchester Tragedy

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This culture and their ideology need to be stomped out from society. This is going to continue to get worse until the whole world stands up and says enough is enough and deals with the countries promoting and encouraging these terror acts of Sharia law
 
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RIP to the victims of this disgusting tragedy. Hope these cowards are brought to justice.
 
It's comforting to know that we have ISIS(the JV team) contained.......oh wait.....

I'll try to peak into a can of worms here without opening it, and I won't get into a back and forth, but I don't think these things will simply stop after isis taken care of... The ideas behind these things won't just disappear when the organization crumbles.

It's very sad, in any case.
 
I'll try to peak into a can of worms here without opening it, and I won't get into a back and forth, but I don't think these things will simply stop after isis taken care of... The ideas behind these things won't just disappear when the organization crumbles.

It's very sad, in any case.
Agree but having a President willing to identify how great of a threat they are and continue to be as well as call out and point the finger at the rogue regimes supporting these groups is a good start. Our last President released over a $Billion to Iran and tried to leave a $200 million tithe to the Palestinian regime on his last day in office, despite the fact that Congress had previously blocked that move.
 
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Agree but having a President willing to identify how great of a threat they are

It's not just the US that's being threaten. You think Leaders in the countries that are being attacked don't recognize the threat? I don't care what the U.S. President calls it we just need to get this crap taken care of. These idiots are brainwashing born and raised Americans, UK, Europeans, etc..

The only way this stops and it will not stop completely but everyone needs to come together to put a stop to it. Including Muslim nations that are against this extremism. I'm also sick and tired of hearing after the fact that the bomber, shooter or whatever was acting weird and totally different than usual. Come on people if you know someone that's normal 99% of the time and they start chanting and just talking a bunch of non sense you need to wake up.
 
It's not just the US that's being threaten. You think Leaders in the countries that are being attacked don't recognize the threat? I don't care what the U.S. President calls it we just need to get this crap taken care of. These idiots are brainwashing born and raised Americans, UK, Europeans, etc..

The only way this stops and it will not stop completely but everyone needs to come together to put a stop to it. Including Muslim nations that are against this extremism. I'm also sick and tired of hearing after the fact that the bomber, shooter or whatever was acting weird and totally different than usual. Come on people if you know someone that's normal 99% of the time and they start chanting and just talking a bunch of non sense you need to wake up.
Your last sentence describes John McCain ever since he lost the nomination to W in 2000.
 
This muslim sect of people have no gray area.You must believe their thoughts and values or you should be eliminated and they do not want to listen to anything but the Koran.American and Christian values are not important to them only theirs.They feel they will be rewarded in the after life for their deeds.This is the mindset you are dealing with so if you have any ideas to deal with it please post it on.
 
Good point,now what are some examples you would use?? You would not want to offend the muslims that are not radical but only want to live in peace which are in to the millions in this world.
 
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To have committed a terrorist act against what were mostly a group of children is evil. My children are grown up but it makes want to go up to my younger grandchildren and hold them tight and not want to let go.

Something else I want to say. In the warped, twisted, thinking of these terrorists is that you never go after children. Even in their mind children are innocent. That's what makes this even more evil than their most heinous acts.

I've read that Manchester is multi ethnic city. I read that over the last 35 years that a lot of Libyans fled to England to escape the monster Muammar Gadaffi. MG was ousted 6 yeas ago and I can't help but wonder if some bad people have come the UK since then.

My .02 worth
 
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Good point,now what are some examples you would use?? You would not want to offend the muslims that are not radical but only want to live in peace which are in to the millions in this world.
I think Trump makes a good point in saying that it's going to take the peace loving Muslim community to out these jihadi's. It appears that folks seem to come forward after the fact and in some instances, it's a breakdown in the intelligence community who just decided not to act once someone alerted them to strange behavior etc., that had they acted they could have possibly thwarted an attack. Make no mistake though, like someone mentioned above, to them it's a holy war, if you do not abide by Sharia Law, you're an infidel and need to die.
 
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Good point,now what are some examples you would use?? You would not want to offend the muslims that are not radical but only want to live in peace which are in to the millions in this world.

One example would be if you capture a city or compound from ISIL, you would make sure to have video of the captured terrorists being frog marched, and make that video widely available. Another would be if you have video of terrorists in battle running away or crying. Anything that makes them look weak.

As far as offending the good Muslims, you don't worry about that. You simply devise an effective strategy, and implement that strategy to the best of your ability. You can't hamstring yourself over hurting someone's feelings. Being overly sensitive is one of the problems that caused this mess.
 
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Some random thoughts about the Middle East. I assume most people realize that the Saudi's are bad people and not just because of how women are treated. It is a truly autocratic government. Do you know just how many of these terrorists that have been captured were found to be Saudi's? A lot. 17 of the 19 terrorists in 9/11 were Saudi's. Need I remind you that Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi? What makes me angrier is that American presidents regardless of party affiliation have unconditionally supported the Saudi government. I've read that the Saudi government has paid off other Middle East governments for them not to attack Saudi Arabia. Do what you want just not us.

We kill OBL do damage to Al Qaeda and now ISIS is on the map and in many ways they're even worse. If we cripple ISIS somebody even worse will show up.

Of course most Muslims are peace loving and you can't tell me that the overwhelming majority of Muslims Americans aren't loyal. So what you want about HIllary Clinton but I was impressed listening to Arab immigrant whose son was a decorated soldier who died in Iraq. And don't even try to turn that into HC. But even peaceful Muslims those around the world who respect the western world are sympathetic to the Palestinians. They may not want the destruction of the state of Israel but that's how they feel.

Finally dyk that Muslims have been in America since slavery?

Once again my .02 worth
 
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Some random thoughts about the Middle East. I assume most people realize that the Saudi's are bad people and not just because of how women are treated. It is a truly autocratic government. Do you know just how many of these terrorists that have been captured were found to be Saudi's? A lot. 17 of the 19 terrorists in 9/11 were Saudi's. Need I remind you that Osama Bin Laden was a Saudi? What makes me angrier is that American presidents regardless of party affiliation have unconditionally supported the Saudi government. I've read that the Saudi government has paid off other Middle East governments for them not to attack Saudi Arabia. Do what you want just not us.

We kill OBL do damage to Al Qaeda and now ISIS is on the map and in many ways they're even worse. If we cripple ISIS somebody even worse will show up.

Of course most Muslims are peace loving and you can't tell me that the overwhelming majority of Muslims Americans aren't loyal. So what you want about HIllary Clinton but I was impressed listening to Arab immigrant whose son was a decorated soldier who died in Iraq. And don't even try to turn that into HC. But even peaceful Muslims those around the world who respect the western world are sympathetic to the Palestinians. They may not want the destruction of the state of Israel but that's how they feel.

Finally dyk that Muslims have been in America since slavery?

Once again my .02 worth
Totally agree with your thoughts on Saudi Arabia. They obviously have us by the financial shorthairs for us to continue to appease them and I felt that bs move they pulled 2 years ago, increasing their oil production to flood the market and continuing even today should have been viewed as an act of war against the U.S.......but apparently it wasn't. The whole thing is rigged and we'll never get the straight scoop, unfortunately. It's well known on here that I'm a conservative but I have no problem with calling a spade a spade and if one has a little free reading time, a quick primer on the Bush/Saudi Arabia ties is pretty eye opening.
 
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Bell, get ready for Saudi to be brought to its knees. Imagine if US oil companies are able to increase production by 25% virtually over night "in oil terms". It will cripple the Saudi's and topple their government.
 
Totally agree with your thoughts on Saudi Arabia. They obviously have us by the financial shorthairs for us to continue to appease them and I felt that bs move they pulled 2 years ago, increasing their oil production to flood the market and continuing even today should have been viewed as an act of war against the U.S.......but apparently it wasn't. The whole thing is rigged and we'll never get the straight scoop, unfortunately. It's well known on here that I'm a conservative but I have no problem with calling a spade a spade and if one has a little free reading time, a quick primer on the Bush/Saudi Arabia ties is pretty eye opening.
Here's an interesting read on Bush 41's alleged involvement in the Kennedy and Reagan assassination/attempt. Most folks have never heard of the Bush/Hinkley family friendship. I hate coming off as a conspiracy nut but some of these things are just WAY too "coincidental" in my opinion.

Bush Angle to Reagan Shooting Still Unresolved as Hinckley Walks
A Story I Had to Leave Out of My Book
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President Reagan with the Bush family. Left to right: Neil Bush, Marvin Bush, Reagan, George W. Bush, George H.W. Bush, Jeb Bush. Photo credit: Reagan Library
Why did George H.W. Bush and his cabinet determine that John W. Hinckley Jr. — the man who in 1981 tried to kill the newly inaugurated President Ronald Reagan — was a lone nut, and no conspiracy, foreign or domestic, was involved? How did they arrive at this conclusion just five hours after the shooting, without any thorough examination?

And why won’t the Federal Bureau of Investigation release its documents on the shooter?

Hinckley, who was released from a federal psychiatric facility on August 5 after 35 years, remains a mystery, and that’s the way the government prefers it. Among the documents the Bureau withholds are those that reveal organizations linked to him — and the names of his associates.

One noteworthy individual will not even acknowledge knowing of Hinckley beforehand, someone associated with the shooter’s family, and an even longer history of dissociation — George H.W. Bush.

Most Americans have never heard about this — and even those who have will be intrigued by some little-known aspects. One is the rather unique way the Bush clan has dealt with or sought to dismiss such peculiar situations — and this is hardly the only one in which the family has been enmeshed.

Here’s an amazing example: Bush Senior, known to family and friends as “Poppy,” claimed he could not remember where he was when he heard that President John F. Kennedy had been shot. I discovered a good reason why he should have remembered — because he, himself, had been in Dallas that morning.

I learned this while researching the Bush dynasty for what would become the book Family of Secrets. I came upon one odd “coincidence” after another, weird ones that would make anyone’s eyebrows soar.

I also saw an FBI memo showing that the man who would later become Bush 41 had secretly called the FBI shortly after the shooting of President Kennedy with information on a man he said might be involved. It turned out that not only was the man not involved, but that Bush knew him personally — and even, via a subordinate, gave the man an alibi.

Too weird.

I also learned that Poppy Bush was a longtime acquaintance/friend of George de Mohrenschildt, the mysterious Russian “baron” who was perhaps the closest person to Lee Harvey Oswald in the year before Kennedy’s death.

Imagine my interest when I learned of de Mohrenschildt’s connections to American intelligence — and then that Bush Senior himself had covertly served the CIA for decades before being named CIA director as a purported “outsider” in 1976.

Indeed, he’d been secretly mucking around with the spy agency before, during, and after Kennedy was killed.

The CIA, of course, was later revealed by the Senate’s Church Committee investigation to be in the business of arranging the removal — or even the murder — of national leaders in various parts of the world.

Imagine my fascination, then, to learn that John Hinckley Jr., the man who shot and nearly killed President Ronald Reagan in 1981 — an attempt which, if successful, would have resulted in then-Vice President George H.W. Bush moving up to the top spot — was none other than a friend of the Bush family.

How strange is that? So strange that it literally caused NBC News’s anchor John Chancellor’s eyebrows to arch as he reported the curious connection.

The story was broken by the now-defunct Houston Post, and then picked up briefly by the AP and UPI wire services, and some newspapers, plus Newsweek.

Then it vanished without a trace or further inquiry or comment in the mainstream media.

The story was so baffling and off-putting that even I, in writing Family of Secrets more than a quarter-century later, did not mention it. I was preparing to publish a book with so many shocking elements that the publisher and I worried about whether the mainstream media would even dare cover it, or review it fairly; in that context, the Hinckley-Bush connection seemed one provocation too far.

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Fast forward to early August of this year, when news came that a federal judge had ordered John Hinckley released from captivity. Hinckley had already been granted partial freedoms over the years, including extended stays with his family outside the mental facility where he has been incarcerated. But now he is effectively “out,” albeit with some supervision.

Word of Hinckley’s release was met with pregnant silence, including from entities and individuals that bray about “law and order” — who routinely support jail time with no possibility of parole for all manner of individuals, particularly the poor and the unconnected.

Neither description, of course, fits Hinckley.

The Hinckleys and the Bushes have been friendly for decades, going back to the days when both families set down stakes in the dusty town of Midland, Texas, a magnet for the children of wealthy, East Coast families seeking to cash in on the oil boom.

The Hinckleys were donors to Poppy Bush’s political campaigns over the years, and they gave to support the first, unsuccessful bid for Congress of the young George W. Bush, in 1978. The families lived close to each other, they socialized; I saw indications that, at one point, they may have shared the same lawyer.

Even more strangely, Neil Bush, son of the vice president, was scheduled to have dinner with Hinckley’s brother, Scott, the day after the shooting.

The shooting took place on Monday, March 30, 1981. Neil and his wife, Sharon, were to have dinner with a girlfriend of hers who brought along Scott Hinckley as her date. Scott had supposedly been invited to round out the foursome.

Neil and his wife, and Scott, all lived in Denver at the time. Scott’s father’s oil company, Vanderbilt Oil, had its headquarters in Denver at that time. Scott was a company vice president.

Meanwhile, the shooter, John W. Hinckley Jr., lived from time to time with his family in a small town outside Denver. In fact, at the time he shot Reagan, he was living with his parents.

This put Neil Bush, the senior Hinckleys, Scott Hinckley, and would-be presidential assassin John W. Hinckley Jr. in close quarters over an extended period.

Neil might reasonably have been aware that John Jr. was having serious problems, and was in psychiatric care. And — given the Bush family’s politically-driven strategy of tracking and staying in touch with huge numbers of family friends and acquaintances, plus a fondness for sharing the doings of their network among themselves — the probability that Neil would have relayed to his parents John Jr.’s mental problems, and psychiatric treatments, is not remote.

In the fall of 1980, Hinckley was arrested at Nashville airport carrying three guns on the very day that then-president Jimmy Carter arrived in that city. (He is believed to have been stalking Carter, against whom the Reagan-Bush ticket was locked in combat) He was neither fingerprinted nor charged.

Notwithstanding the commonness of guns in Tennessee, once he was in custody, nobody seems to have discovered his troubled background and psychiatric problems or expressed any concern that a gun-toting non-local was arriving in the same city at the same time as the president.

(It’s interesting to note that just as Hinckley stalked candidates of both parties with widely differing political philosophies, authorities claimed that Lee Harvey Oswald took shots not only at President Kennedy, but also at General Edwin Walker, a Kennedy nemesis on the hard right.)

In late 1980 and early 1981, Hinckley was also stalking the actress Jodie Foster. He said that he had been hearing “voices” in his head — and became convinced that he and Foster had a special bond.

Interestingly, notes by Hinckley describing a conspiracy to assassinate a president were found in a search of his prison cell, according to Breaking Points, a memoir written by his parents. They said the notes referred only to “an imaginary conspiracy” and his lawyers dismissed them as far-fetched. They have never surfaced publicly.

The FBI declined to release 22 pages of documents that included the names of associates and organizations linked to Hinckley, and details of his finances..

A jury bought the story that the Hinckley case was strictly one of a deranged individual obsessed with an actress and he was found guilty and packed off to the Washington-area St. Elizabeth’s mental hospital — an institution with a fascinating history of involvement with the CIA’s MK-ULTRA program, which focused on mind control experiments — and efforts to study the possibility of “programming” killers. Psychiatrists played a crucial role in recruiting subjects for these experiments. (Documents on Hinckley’s psychiatric records are among those kept secret.)

Congressional hearings in the 1970s revealed the existence of MK-ULTRA and these mind-control programs. Five years before the Reagan shooting, at the time of those hearings, the new CIA director was…. Poppy Bush.

John Hinckley Sr. (“Jack” Hinckley) was deeply involved with World Vision, a nonprofit humanitarian organization that receives heavy funding from USAID, the government organ that has historically been closely associated with the Central Intelligence Agency. He was close with the head of World Vision’s ministries, a former State Department official who worked, among other things, as an adviser in Vietnam.

Interestingly, another “lone nut” who changed the global landscape, Mark David Chapman, who shot and killed John Lennon, had been an employee of World Vision.

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Vice President Bush seems never to have personally commented on his connections with the Hinckleys. In a typical non-response — which I noted in Family of Secrets is a Bush family tactic in dealing with sensitive information — a Bush aide, press secretary Peter Teeley, told a UPI reporter the day after the arrest: “I don’t know a damn thing about it. All I know is what you’re telling me.”

Of course, the issue was not what the British-born Teeley knew, it was what his boss knew. Asked whether Bush had mentioned knowing the Hinckleys, Teeley replied that the veep “made no mention of it whatsoever.” So there we have it: no actual comment from Poppy Bush himself.

Neil Bush, at a press conference the day after the shooting, did admit to one connection with the Hinckleys: he mentioned, in passing, that Scott Hinckley had also been at his house a couple of months earlier, at his surprise birthday party. Ostensibly he was there as the “date” of the same “close” female friend who was scheduled to dine with the Bushes the day after the shooting.

The apparent use of the woman friend of Sharon Bush to explain any connection between the families, despite an already existing direct connection between the families, warranted more attention.

This was again a typical pattern I had noted with the Bushes: stress another person, in this case, the female friend, as if she were the only connection between the Bushes and the Hinckleys, thereby diverting attention from the central fact: the Bushes and Hinckleys were themselves longtime friends. (Neil did claim he had never met the gunman or the gunman’s father — a claim that would be hard to disprove — and that would in any case hardly matter given the family-to-family connections.)

In any event, no evidence has ever surfaced that any of the Bushes were so much as questioned about their relationship to the Hinckleys by the FBI, Secret Service, or any other entity, and no investigation, informal or formal, appears to have taken place.

Meanwhile, the media’s focus was on the highly unpopular Secretary of State, Alexander Haig, whose statement that “I’m in charge here” in the minutes after Reagan’s shooting was turned into a meme that is remembered to this day, despite the fact that Haig had merely stated that he was in charge as the third in succession, “pending the return of the vice president and in close touch with him.”

Thus, the Haig story became a sensation, and successfully distracted just about everyone from the weird Bush-Hinckley connection.


Poppy would have become president if Reagan died, rather than waiting eight long years. He had engaged in a bitter primary campaign against Reagan, who then surprised many people by taking Bush as his running mate. (Richard Nixon, once asked by an aide why he took such an unappealing and unpopular figure as Spiro Agnew as his vice president, reportedly answered, “assassination insurance.” It’s interesting to note that George H.W. Bush similarly chose Dan Quayle, a figure widely considered a “lightweight” ill suited to the presidency, as his running mate.)

In any case, although Reagan survived, Bush for a time served as de facto president — and after Reagan’s resumption of “power,” Bush remained an astonishingly influential vice president, to many, the real power in the country in many respects ever after.

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Around the time of the shooting of Kennedy in Dallas, the Hinckleys were operating out of Dallas, with offices in the Republic Bank Building, a tower which housed many entities and individuals connected by varying degrees to intelligence activity, including the offices of the mysterious Russian “baron” George de Mohrenschildt (an old friend of George H.W. Bush), who was perhaps the principal influence in the life of Lee Harvey Oswald in the year leading up to the shooting of Kennedy.

In 1978, not long before Poppy Bush’s presidential bid, his son George W. was making his first bid for elective office (with donations from the Hinckley clan). Neil Bush was W’s campaign manager, living in the city of Lubbock.

Another person living there at that time was… John Hinckley Jr. Asked about that by a newspaper reporter, W. commented that it was “conceivable” Neil would have met Hinckley during that period.

As for himself, W. said at the time, “It’s certainly conceivable that I met him or might have been introduced to him. I don’t recognize his face from the brief, kind of distorted thing they had on TV and the name doesn’t ring any bells. I know he wasn’t on our staff. I could check our volunteer rolls.”

Was there any follow-up? Did Bush ever seek to learn more about Hinckley or explain what ways they were or were not acquainted? Not that I can find.

And then there is this: The very day that Reagan was shot, the Reagan-Bush Department of Energy notified the Hinckley family at Vanderbilt oil that the government might be forced to penalize the family business to the tune of $2 million. (AP, April 1, 1981) Was Scott coming to dinner with Neil to try to sort it out? Whatever happened, after John Hinckley shot Reagan, the penalty never materialized.

Neil never did provide a more satisfying explanation of why the shooter’s brother was coming to his house for dinner than that he was filling in as a date for a friend of his wife’s. But who had suggested the dinner in the first place, and who had recommended Scott be one of the foursome? That remains murky.

As for the shooter, here’s what Neil said about whether he knew or had met him: “I have no idea,” he said. “I don’t recognize any pictures of him. I just wish I could see a better picture of him.”

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In a memoir, Bush aide Chase Untermyer, who accompanied Bush to the unveiling, writes:

I washed up and went to bed for a nap before writing this entry. Around 1:30, I was awakened by a call from Art Wiese of the Houston Post. Art related the possibility that Neil Bush (the VP’s son) may be acquainted with the alleged assailant, John W. Hinckley Jr. Neil and Sharon do know Hinckley’s brother (in Denver) and were planning to have dinner with them tomorrow night. The Hinckleys are a prosperous family, and John Sr. may have been a Bush contributor. Art wanted to know if this connection was known by GB…

As Art pointed out, even a slight Bush connection in this shooting could set off the conspiracy freaks.”….

“What’s up?” GB asked, seeing us all there.

“Did you talk to Neil last night?” Pete asked as we entered the West Basement.

“No; is it about this guy?”

“Yes.”

“Jesus.”

We all went into the VP’s office, where Pete related the story that Wiese had been working on and which was being played big in Houston and over the wires. GB appeared only mildly concerned, so little in fact that he didn’t think to call Barbara or ask any of us to do so.

This should have been one of the most investigated, most heavily reported stories for years after. Certainly, in contrast to the email scandal, Benghazi, Travelgate, and other complex and somewhat esoteric matters that became media rages, lasting on and on and dominating the public conversation, this peculiar Hinckley matter — which by any measure passes all the tests for something worthy of interest by law enforcement — just vanished.

Even when Neil Bush’s involvement in the massive Savings and Loan collapses that dominated headlines in the 1980s was widely reported, no mention was made of the fascinating Bush-Hinckley connection.

To sum up: John W. Hinckley’s brother attends a surprise birthday party at Neil Bush’s house in a period when John Hinckley was suffering serious mental problems. The government exerts financial pressure on the Hinckley family business. Hinckley shoots President Reagan, nearly making Neil Bush’s father the president. The financial pressure on the Hinckleys disappears, George H.W. Bush is in charge of the “investigation” of the shooting, the Hinckleys chalk it all up to their son’s demons, everyone focuses on Jodie Foster, and that’s the end of that.

Coincidence? Sure. Anything, after all, is possible.

Related front page panorama photo credit: Adapted by WhoWhatWhy from Neil Bush (Reagan Library) and John Hinckley (FBI / Wikimedia)
 
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Bell, get ready for Saudi to be brought to its knees. Imagine if US oil companies are able to increase production by 25% virtually over night "in oil terms". It will cripple the Saudi's and topple their government.

If this does indeed happen, and I'm not holding my breath, look for what Gadaffi did in Libya towards the end of his regime. He started imprisoning and killing his people. It's not out of the question for the Saudi's to do the same thing. That regime is capable of doing that.

And like I said I'm not holding my breath but if their government is brought down I'm hoping that DT and the CIA stay out it.

One last thing don't hold me to this but I don't think Saudi Arabia is our number one supplier of oil anymore.
 
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If this does indeed happen, and I'm not holding my breath, look for what happened in Libya towards the end of his regime. He started imprisoning and killing his citizens. It's not out of the question for the Saudi's to do the same thing. That regime could do that.

And like I said I'm not holding my breath but if their government is brought I'm hoping that DT and the CIA stay out oft.

One last thing don't hold me to this but I don't think Saudi Arabia is our number one supplier of oil anymore.
Cali, I'm telling you right now, there is technology out there being tested as we speak that can do this. Its being tested by some of the super majors. I'm giving you first hand knowledge my man. The only way Saudi can stop it is to step up and buy it to keep it off the market.
 
Bell, get ready for Saudi to be brought to its knees. Imagine if US oil companies are able to increase production by 25% virtually over night "in oil terms". It will cripple the Saudi's and topple their government.

Obviously you know things that I don't. I believe you but I'm going to be a little bit devils advocate here. Don't the Saudi's export a lot of oil to Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia? How much do they depend on the Saudi's? If/when this comes to fruition couldn't they make up by exporting more to these countries?
 
Obviously you know things that I don't. I believe you but I'm going to be a little bit devils advocate here. Don't the Saudi's export a lot of oil to Europe, Canada, Japan, Australia? How much do they depend on the Saudi's? If/when this comes to fruition couldn't they make up by exporting more to these countries?
If the global supply of oil is greater, the cost will be driven down incredibly low. This is bad for the saudi's because they subsidize their citizens with payments via oil revenues. The price at $50 is killing them, and if they cut off subsidies to their population, you're looking at riots in the street. Think Venezuela on steroids. So lower prices over a longer period of time creates huge debt in the Saudi government. They would have to take out loans based on their oil reserves as collateral-- not good. OPEC is already on the verge of collapsing- sustained $30 oil would crush them. Remember, oil is a global commodity, and thus far the saudi's have been able to control pricing through the cartel of OPEC. But if their ability to dictate production is taken away from them, they become a victim of their own debt.
 
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Totally agree with your thoughts on Saudi Arabia. They obviously have us by the financial shorthairs for us to continue to appease them and I felt that bs move they pulled 2 years ago, increasing their oil production to flood the market and continuing even today should have been viewed as an act of war against the U.S.......but apparently it wasn't.

1. I'd say it's the other way around: the only reason Saudi Arabia is an ally and Iran is an enemy is that SA kisses the ring and Iran threw out our puppet government. The whole "they fund terrorism" and "their human rights abuses" arguments against Iran don't make much sense when you look at SA. We're the champions of democracy in countries which don't bend the knee and champions at turning a blind eye in countries that do.

2. Well I'd say Saudi Arabia has lost the oil glut war. They're learning now that they can't just put the squeeze on US producers and make them go away. The speed at which US production can ratchet up to meet demand may be a game changer in the oil world for quite some time... I wonder if it will dampen the cyclic nature of things, resulting in oil swinging from $40 to $60 instead of $50 to $140. It'll be interesting to see if Saudi Arabia can diversify and use what wealth it still has to protect itself from this new regime of oil prices.
 
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This culture and their ideology need to be stomped out from society. This is going to continue to get worse until the whole world stands up and says enough is enough and deals with the countries promoting and encouraging these terror acts of Sharia law

It is no different than the extremists in your shitty religion ****tard. Take your racist ass to the gooner board.
 
It is no different than the extremists in your shitty religion ****tard. Take your racist ass to the gooner board.
Hmmm, I don't know about that Tonto. Not sure why you're getting all bent for me saying these extremists need to be rooted out, I'm not referring to peace loving Muslims.
 
Hmmm, I don't know about that Tonto. Not sure why you're getting all bent for me saying these extremists need to be rooted out, I'm not referring to peace loving Muslims.

WTF is your problem you f'n POS. This is a rival teams football message board. If you want to masturbate to Trump and spooge all over the back of Putin on a daily bases do so somewhere else.
 
WTF is your problem you f'n POS. This is a rival teams football message board. If you want to masturbate to Trump and spooge all over the back of Putin on a daily bases do so somewhere else.
?. Well...., you seem angry in life, I wonder why?
 
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It is no different than the extremists in your shitty religion ****tard. Take your racist ass to the gooner board.

WTF is your problem you f'n POS. This is a rival teams football message board. If you want to masturbate to Trump and spooge all over the back of Putin on a daily bases do so somewhere else.

There is nothing even remotely racist that Belldozer said. Stop trying to create something that isn't there, lupar. You've been warned previously about your language and name calling. Take some time off.
 
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