Mike Gundy tells CBS Sports ending Longhorn Network is key to Big 12's future

[Scholz]

This 6 page thread 4 years later shows that the Big12 is in trouble.

Yes, sports message boards are surely the measuring stick of reality. Just because Boren and Gundy are whining doesn't mean the Big XII is unstable. And just because a team left that won the conference in football a single time in 16 years doesn't mean the talent is depleted. Far from it.

 

[Scholz]

And best of all, dishonest people blame UT. Seems reasonable to me. Or again, maybe we were just lucky.

Fixed.

 

[mm42]

Yes, sports message boards are surely the measuring stick of reality. Just because Boren and Gundy are whining doesn't mean the Big XII is unstable. And just because a team left that won the conference in football a single time in 16 years doesn't mean the talent is depleted. Far from it.

Check out draft picks & recruiting ratings. The overall league talent is not on par. And I don't believe anyone other than the truly delusional believe it is.
I see threads monthly on this board alone from longhorn fans saying the Big12 sucks. I don't know if that thought is the majority of fans, but it is a significant %. Pretty sure you won't find any threads like this on any SEC team boards. I realize people on these boards aren't average fans, but we are really loud.

The Big12 will live or die based on UT and OU staying put.

 

[mm42]

Fixed.

Honest, smart people know it's no one's fault. But the masses aren't smart. Who do you think they blame?

 

[Scholz]

Check out draft picks & recruiting ratings. The overall league talent is not on par. And I don't believe anyone other than the truly delusional believe it is.

Go get your $EC pom poms. And an aggy calling someone delusional is great. Thanks for that.

I see threads monthly on this board alone from longhorn fans saying the Big12 sucks. I don't know if that thought is the majority of fans, but it is a significant %.

Really? A significant %? Thanks for that scientific imput. Complete bullshit.

None of what you said backs up the Big XII being in trouble btw. But thanks for showing us that you're just another run of the mill braindead, biased aggy.

 

[mm42]

Go get your $EC pom poms. And an aggy calling someone delusional is great. Thanks for that.


Really? A significant %? Thanks for that scientific imput. Complete bullshit.

None of what you said backs up the Big XII being in trouble btw. But thanks for showing us that you're just another run of the mill braindead, biased aggy.

You don't give an inch.
I admit we may have used the LHN as our get of jail free card, and did it on purpose. Which is not in alignment with our slant on the story. Because I believe it to be true. Not exactly brain dead.
If you believe that the Big12 is on par with the SEC in football, well we disagree. What none directional or private school would even consider the big12? Don't say arkansas, that would would be beyond delusional. If you want to understand the stability of a conference, just look at who would be interested in joining or leaving.

 

[LonghornMM]

They would have let us go with other state schools, but not alone.
State universities receive money from the state. The state legislature has a lot of horns, bears, and red raiders. I believe that many were smart enough to understand A&M leaving the Big12 for the SEC would be a huge blow to the state's conference. The SEC recruits high end Texas talent as well if not better than the big12 now.
This 6 page thread 4 years later shows that the Big12 is in trouble. I don't think they would have just let us go. See OU and OSU.

And best of all, everyone blames UT. Seems reasonable to me. Or again, maybe we were just lucky.

Now if a&m would only leave the great state of Texas that would be ideal. aggys not only embarrass the state, but themselves on a daily basis. Buncha delusional, brainwashed goobers they are.

 

[oldhorn2]

I believe that the opposite of what you say is true. I think that the Texas legislature has tied Texas down for all time having to support aball and chain like aTm. We never would have been able to do anything about changing conferences without asking said conference to include aTm....seriously....thats true.Now, we can stay or go entirely at our whim. I also think that "our whim" would include OU as they are our true rival, and always have been.

aTm has been a footnote of history ever since the Legislature created aTm with the express purpose of finding a cure for cottony root rot. I admit that yall have developed maroon carrots and blue bonnets, not to menton a whole culture that the rest of the country finds at best laughable but even more so disbelieving. Hadnt hit a lick on that root rot but I expect that will be announced on the date of yalls next national football championship.

 

[mm42]

I believe that the opposite of what you say is true. I think that the Texas legislature has tied Texas down for all time having to support aball and chain like aTm. We never would have been able to do anything about changing conferences without asking said conference to include aTm....seriously....thats true.Now, we can stay or go entirely at our whim. I also think that "our whim" would include OU as they are our true rival, and always have been.

aTm has been a footnote of history ever since the Legislature created aTm with the express purpose of finding a cure for cottony root rot. I admit that yall have developed maroon carrots and blue bonnets, not to menton a whole culture that the rest of the country finds at best laughable but even more so disbelieving. Hadnt hit a lick on that root rot but I expect that will be announced on the date of yalls next national football championship.

Well I guess you guys are free to do as you please now, and your best buddy OU can tag alone. If they follow you guys after crying about how you guys are such a big meanie, I will be impressed by your authority over them.

 

[SatydogHorn]

UT has thrown its weight around to the level that it is the primary reason why four schools left the conference. If Texas wants to do what it wants to do, for its own benefit, without any consideration about what it good for the conference as a whole, then it is acting like an independent.

Everyone acts in their own interests. I get that. But most successful institutions understand that if your conference suffers, you suffer also. Being part of any conference means some sort of loyalty. Hard to find much of that coming from Austin.

You've already lost your most important overall historical rivalry with that attitude.

"Throwing their weight around" UH no. I do not think the administrators were playing on Saturdays. I don't want to name any names as I do not want to embarrass Nebraska, Ag's, Colorado, and Mizoo, but they are a bunch of chicken Shitz that took their ball and ran home, while blaming a network for all of their failed success. If they were winning more games this would be a non issue.

 

[Scholz]

"Throwing their weight around" UH no. I do not think the administrators were playing on Saturdays. I don't want to name any names as I do not want to embarrass Nebraska, Ag's, Colorado, and Mizoo, but they are a bunch of chicken Shitz that took their ball and ran home, while blaming a network for all of their failed success. If they were winning more games this would be a non issue.

No lie. aggys ran away to get out of Daddy's shadow. Nebraska left because we absolutely OWNED them in the Big XII (we won 9 out of 10 including 2 conference title games). We absolutely destroyed CU in the '05 title game. Mizzou? Eehh.

 

[SatydogHorn]

Check out draft picks & recruiting ratings. The overall league talent is not on par. And I don't believe anyone other than the truly delusional believe it is.
I see threads monthly on this board alone from longhorn fans saying the Big12 sucks. I don't know if that thought is the majority of fans, but it is a significant %. Pretty sure you won't find any threads like this on any SEC team boards. I realize people on these boards aren't average fans, but we are really loud.

The Big12 will live or die based on UT and OU staying put.

These things run in cycles and eventually the SEC will start to trend downward's.

 

[oldhorn2]

If you want real data on what really is....check these links
http://big12fanatics...r-one-analysis/

http://big12fanatics...m-fios-matters/

 

[LonghornMM]

These things run in cycles and eventually the SEC will start to trend downward's.

I've been saying this for a couple of years now. The $EC wasn't the top football conference until maybe 10 years ago. Before that, it was just another conference. Things ebb and flow, and the $EC won't be on top forever.

 

[mm42]

These things run in cycles and eventually the SEC will start to trend downward's.

The SEC may trend down at some point, but that is not the pattern. Since 2000, the SEC has dominated in total draft picks (having the most of any conference every year except 2004 & 2006). And they are trending up. Guess the highest 4 years in draft picks for the SEC since 2000. Try 2013, 2015, 2014, & 2010.

The Big12 had 64 draft picks in 2013-2015 combined. The SEC had 63 in 2013 alone, and 166 from 2013-2015.

These things run in cycles, but even in the best of times it hasn't been close. I could see it getting closer than recent drafts, get never on par.

 

[mm42]

I've been saying this for a couple of years now. The $EC wasn't the top football conference until maybe 10 years ago. Before that, it was just another conference. Things ebb and flow, and the $EC won't be on top forever.

It has little to do with anything but geography. Start a little west of Dallas, then go south and east until you hit the gulf and atlantic. That will cover the most dense population of high end high school players in the country.

The southern schools were fools in the 60's and 70's and many great players had to head north, those days are over (God willing).

The ACC is the only other conference with a similar geographical advantage. They just don't love football enough at many of those schools.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

I have no inside info, but that is what I think. If not, we were just incredibly stupid and lucky.

You were stupid, but not lucky.

Stay in the Big 12 one more year and you probably play for the MNC with Johnny walker football.

Now you are stuck in a conference in a division you likely won't win in the next 10 years more than likely a lot longer. Now you have even less control over the Texas perception. You can claim SEC superiority, but Texas is still Texas, our recruiting is getting better and better each year. If/we things get turned around Texas will be back to dominating the Texas recruiting landscape and the Aggsy will be in a worse spot as they will be facing on a yearly basis minimum of 5 schools who are recruiting talent better than they are.

You don't think it would've been possible for a&m to go to the $EC honestly? To just say "best interests, more money, 100-year plan" etc...? Why not? Why be complete lying dicks on the way out of the door?

I think when Silve made the call to aggsy he played them on their weakness, that being their little man syndrome. Sure it makes geographic sense to go to the SEC, but it made no sense from a competition standpoint, they couldn't compete in the Big 12 and they were supposed to go to the SEC and suddenly compete? You could say that is exactly what happened their first year, and everyone thought this was the start of something big, but as it is with all things aggsy, it was fools gold. Now they are facing the task of competing in a conference that has 4 teams on par with Texas and Oklahoma from a prestige standpoint. And you are still competing with Texas and Oklahoma for recruits. dumb dumb dumb

Check out draft picks & recruiting ratings. The overall league talent is not on par. And I don't believe anyone other than the truly delusional believe it is.
I see threads monthly on this board alone from longhorn fans saying the Big12 sucks. I don't know if that thought is the majority of fans, but it is a significant %. Pretty sure you won't find any threads like this on any SEC team boards. I realize people on these boards aren't average fans, but we are really loud.

The Big12 will live or die based on UT and OU staying put.

Check out where those draft picks have come from, Not aggsy.

Still I laugh my ass off when watching the Superbowl and seeing Von Miller listed as an SEC guy, really? How many games did he play in the SEC?

As far as the Big 12 living or dying, that is up to the other members of the Big 12, as long as it is the right place for Texas, Texas will stay in the Big 12. When it no longer makes sense, Texas will leave. Doesn't mean the Big 12 will die, just means they will have to continue on without Texas.

 

[SatydogHorn]

The SEC may trend down at some point, but that is not the pattern. Since 2000, the SEC has dominated in total draft picks (having the most of any conference every year except 2004 & 2006). And they are trending up. Guess the highest 4 years in draft picks for the SEC since 2000. Try 2013, 2015, 2014, & 2010.

The Big12 had 64 draft picks in 2013-2015 combined. The SEC had 63 in 2013 alone, and 166 from 2013-2015.

These things run in cycles, but even in the best of times it hasn't been close. I could see it getting closer than recent drafts, get never on par.

What pattern are you referring too? How many of these picks came from Alabama, LSU, and Florida ? How many schools are in the SEC? There are are a lot of teams in the SEC. You know what bothers me most about the ag's? Its the name dropping and everything in college station is stamped SEC every brochure, building, bill board, and t-shirts has the same acronym. PLEASE JUST STOP WITH THAT CRAP its embarrassing. I have no doubt at some point the Aggies are going to say "shitz what the hell did we do and heads are going to roll if he or she is not retired at the time.

 

[Scholz]

Check out where those draft picks have come from, Not aggsy.

But $EC$EC$EC. So freaking pitiful.

 

[mm42]

You know what bothers me most about the ag's? Its the name dropping and everything in college station is stamped SEC every brochure, building, bill board, and t-shirts has the same acronym. PLEASE JUST STOP WITH THAT CRAP its embarrassing.

So if you were in charge of branding, you would do otherwise? Why do you care? A lot of kids believe the SEC is a big deal, so why not make a big deal of it. All these kids believe they are NFL good, and want to show it vs. top talent. We are just differentiating ourselves from all the other in state schools.

 

[swVAHorn]

The SEC may trend down at some point, but that is not the pattern. Since 2000, the SEC has dominated in total draft picks (having the most of any conference every year except 2004 & 2006). And they are trending up. Guess the highest 4 years in draft picks for the SEC since 2000. Try 2013, 2015, 2014, & 2010.

The Big12 had 64 draft picks in 2013-2015 combined. The SEC had 63 in 2013 alone, and 166 from 2013-2015.

These things run in cycles, but even in the best of times it hasn't been close. I could see it getting closer than recent drafts, get never on par.

the secsecsec also has 4 more teams than the Big 12

 

[mm42]

the secsecsec also has 4 more teams than the Big 12

166 vs 64 draft picks over the last 3 years can not be explained by 4 more teams. If it was 12 more teams, I would agree.

 

[Plainosooner]

What's not true? That ou voted against a network tv deal? You're welcome to your own opinion just not your own set of facts.

I guess I'll give up asking you to back up your statements since you obviously won't. Guess that's the new America. Facts are meaningless.

What's not true is that Boren didn't go this direction because he's jealous of Texas. The proposal woudl probably cost OU more than a few bucks. He's taking this initiative because it's what he perceives to be best for the conference.

 

[Scholz]

Boren...taking this initiative because it's what he perceives to be best for the conference.

Thanks, that was good.

 

[Scholz]

So if you were in charge of branding, you would do otherwise?

Umm, yes. We promote our accomplishments, not those of the teams that beat us. I understand the marketing aspect but you need to understand how pitiful you guys look. Not even joking.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

What's not true is that Boren didn't go this direction because he's jealous of Texas. The proposal woudl probably cost OU more than a few bucks. He's taking this initiative because it's what he perceives to be best for the conference.

That's bullsh*t. Boren wants to leave the Big 12, and like any capable politician would, he's laying the groundwork for it by making demands that he knows cannot and will not be met, but which will give him adequate cover for saying poor OU had no choice but to chase more money elsewhere. (What remains to be seen, of course, is whether OU can find a landing spot on its own or with OSU.) He knows as well as anyone that adding two or four third-rate mid-majors with tiny fan bases will do nothing for this conference's problems. He knows that Texas cannot possibly be made whole with a Big 12 network if it gives up the LHN, and he knows that Texas isn't going to just flush tens of millions of dollars down the toilet.

 

[mm42]

Umm, yes. We promote our accomplishments, not those of the teams that beat us. I understand the marketing aspect but you need to understand how pitiful you guys look. Not even joking.

It is like core values. It's marketing.

When Urban Meyer started the core values marketing thing, it didn't matter that his only core value was winning at all costs. It was just a slogan. No one very smart took it seriously.

 

[mm42]

That's bullsh*t. Boren wants to leave the Big 12, and like any capable politician would, he's laying the groundwork for it by making demands that he knows cannot and will not be met, but which will give him adequate cover for saying poor OU had no choice but to chase more money elsewhere. (What remains to be seen, of course, is whether OU can find a landing spot on its own or with OSU.) He knows as well as anyone that adding two or four third-rate mid-majors with tiny fan bases will do nothing for this conference's problems. He knows that Texas cannot possibly be made whole with a Big 12 network if it gives up the LHN, and he knows that Texas isn't going to just flush tens of millions of dollars down the toilet.

Bingo

It would make Boren a king (maybe a queen in this case) in oklahoma, by forcing Texas's hand on realignment.

 

[Scholz]

It is like core values. It's marketing.

So you're saying Strong is full of it by wanting his players to graduate and stay out of trouble? Because you're mad that I pointed out how pitiful it is that aggys recruit using the number of draft picks their rivals produce? That makes sense I guess.

 

[swVAHorn]

aggy- the teams that beat us every year in our conference have many players picked in the draft
recruit- so shouldn't I play for them instead of you?
aggy- but but but we have male cheerleaders! secsecsec

 

[candid]

I can't believe the "go independent" feelings are out there. You'll have to find a conf to let you tag on to, like nd and ACC. Not sure about the nc being open to another inde. ND has nationwide fan base through catholic church. I really think nd wants to stay inde for the tv agreement and a better chance to plaly in the playoffs. They wouldn't have been in a playoff game if in the B1G and had to get by Mi, MSU and OSU every yr. jmho. I hope the Big 12 finds the way to remain viable. The B1G turned down their request to be a part member and had the gaul to ask to be a member of the CIC. The hockey membership, pride aside, the B1G only had 6 members in the league and needed another strong member. Some people are wondering if this isn't the first step to joining the B1G as a full member, but I doubt that, as long as nd can find others to tag a long w, they will.

 

[mm42]

aggy- but but but we have male cheerleaders! secsecsec

I will have to agree with you on the yell leaders. So gay.
But I am no fan of the toy soldiers either.

 

[ArkansasHogsfan]

If the Big 12 added two more schools couldn't the league just start a network with 11 schools and let Texas keep LHN? That would seem like a win/win to me and everyone is happy.

 

[topdecktiger]

If the Big 12 added two more schools couldn't the league just start a network with 11 schools and let Texas keep LHN? That would seem like a win/win to me and everyone is happy.

Theoretically yes, but they would have a hard time getting anyone to go in on a network without Texas.

 

[Son of Wasatch]

Theoretically yes, but they would have a hard time getting anyone to go in on a network without Texas.

Unless of course that network is ESPN. The LHN was their way of not losing the Texas market to the B1G. The whole reason ESPN paid what they did for the LHN was to counter the idea of Texas joining the B1G conference and them losing the entire Texas tier 3 market to the Big 10 Network.