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Title IX is complete BS. That would be like the janitor at a university having the same privileges and compensation as the president of a university using Title IX logic. They don't bring the same value to a school, and their recognition, benefits, compensation, etc., should reflect that. Same thing with a starting QB vs. a reserve women's lacrosse player.
And while you're common sense if spot on, unfortunately, most laws that are written are devoid of common sense.

While I don't particularly "like" Title 9, I understand why it was put into place. Education is important and women should have the right to equal education protection under the law.

But now we want to pay certain athletes and disavow the laws that are currently in place. It doesn't work that way. You can not eat your cake and have it too.
 
but if the SCHOOL isn't paying the athletes (the theoretical car dealership is), wouldn't that eliminate the title 9 issue? asking sincerely.
 
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but if the SCHOOL isn't paying the athletes (the theoretical car dealership is), wouldn't that eliminate the title 9 issue? asking sincerely.
How would that be any different than a grant given to the University to pay for the grad students doing the dirty work? It will still go through University payroll dept. and the check says UT Austin on it -- not some Fed Agency or external research foundation. It will be tough to argue otherwise.
 
Not if the money doesn't run through the university.

Then see below.... It will become a race to the bottom. He with the most $$$ wins. Other schools will quit.

This will be the rub, company "x" owned by Texas Alum ~ Mr. Billionaire, contracts with the 2021 recruiting class/athlete for $100,000 per player to do adverts for him for 2022. Well, Texas has a few Mr. Billionaires and CEO's that run large companies and could make our recruiting classes quite wealthy just by signing. What would be the incentive to sign with aggy or anyone else if we pay more? Those schools won't be able to match and will by default quit.

There will be no capping what an athlete can make if NCAA restrictions are not in place. If there is NCAA or University involvement, then Title 9 applies.

Schools might as well become sports organizations like in Europe if private advertising contracts are allowed. The schools will come in direct competition with the NFL.
 
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Then see below.... It will become a race to the bottom. He with the most $$$ wins. Other schools will quit.

This will be the rub, company "x" owned by Texas Alum ~ Mr. Billionaire, contracts with the 2021 recruiting class/athlete for $100,000 per player to do adverts for him for 2022. Well, Texas has a few Mr. Billionaires and CEO's that run large companies and could make our recruiting classes quite wealthy just by signing. What would be the incentive to sign with aggy or anyone else if we pay more? Those schools won't be able to match and will by default quit.

There will be no capping what an athlete can make if NCAA restrictions are not in place. If there is NCAA or University involvement, then Title 9 applies.

Schools might as well become sports organizations like in Europe if private advertising contracts are allowed. The schools will come in direct competition with the NFL.
I get this in theory, but I don't know a ton of business owners especially billionaires who are used to just throwing money around without some sort of guarantee that it will provide some return. Again, lots of hurdles, but I don't think it is too much to overcome.

I wonder if they idea of putting the funds into an escrow account for the athlete would be something that would be feasible. Leave it in the account until they no longer have eligibility . Might help alleviate some of the "free agent" stuff since they wouldn't actually get the money until they are done playing anyways which I would think would lessen the reason to look around if you are having to wait to get the money anyways.
 
I get this in theory, but I don't know a ton of business owners especially billionaires who are used to just throwing money around without some sort of guarantee that it will provide some return. Again, lots of hurdles, but I don't think it is too much to overcome.

I wonder if they idea of putting the funds into an escrow account for the athlete would be something that would be feasible. Leave it in the account until they no longer have eligibility . Might help alleviate some of the "free agent" stuff since they wouldn't actually get the money until they are done playing anyways which I would think would lessen the reason to look around if you are having to wait to get the money anyways.

Boosters want wins. The only return is on the field. Personally, I don't think this makes it through the courts as California is essentially challenging the definition of amateur. The schools make too much money via these teams, though, and the courts could blow this up..... They can't be trusted.
 
but if the SCHOOL isn't paying the athletes (the theoretical car dealership is), wouldn't that eliminate the title 9 issue? asking sincerely.
So check it out--- the California bill, IF I AM READING IT CORRECTLY, states that the University, for policing purposes and to track the level of involvement between the company and the athlete, should serve as the intermediary between the two parties-- athlete and company.

This is done as a form of oversight. Well if the University is between the student and the company, that means that the company will have to pay the school, and the school will turn around and cut a check to the athlete.

Now, federal law states in title 9, that what you do for ONE athlete or what you SPEND on one athlete, you are required by law to do for ALL athletes.

Now here's where it gets convoluted. The 9th circuit court (federal) just ruled that athletes are NOT employees of the school. Ok then, they are not employees but the school will be writing them checks for "services rendered" just like you or I would when we pay our employees. Now--- labor laws get involved at this point because if the federal law states that athletes aren't employees of the school, then why are they cutting checks to "some" athletes and not "all" athletes. The department of labor is no joke. They are as tenacious as the IRS, if not more. Department of Labor can walk into your business and shut you down with one slip of paper. Forever.

So we are either going to be breaking title 9 federal laws, or we are going to be violating federal department of labor laws.

Either way, this will end up in federal court in no time, and after a few years, no doubt the Supreme Court will make a ruling on it.

I expect to see some judge that went to Stanford slap a cease and desist on this and then the rodeo will begin.
 
The CA law is a joke. It's a no look pass. A head fake. Don't fall for it. It has more to do with creating State power to regulate college athlete compensation off of their likeness, which is already inevitable. The NCAA has already had working groups established to create a set of rules that comply with the ridiculous Title IX laws while at the same time providing athletes the ability to profit off of their likeness or image. The NCAA was set to introduce their guidelines in October. States like CA see enormous revenue potential that they want to control rather than having the student-athletes control it for themselves. That's why the law was written for all student-athlete compensation to run through the universities for "oversight". This is a bunch of crap and wholly unconstitutional on it's face. The CA law is merely a pre-emptive strike to beat the NCAA to the punch. They want to pressure the NCAA to create the upcoming new rules in a way that keeps the States and universities heavily involved in these new revenue streams. This ensures that new bureaucracies with bloated payrolls and bureaucrats and departments and budgets are generated at these universities or state capitols. That opens the door for the States and/or the universities to assess "fees" from the compensation earned by athletes to "oversee" these new rules. That's what the CA bill is all about. It has nothing to do with "Fair Pay to Play" For those of you who have followed politics for any period of time, you should know by now that proposed bills are ALWAYS the opposite of how they're named. This is done purposely to generate support. It's a form of propaganda. It's pathetic and disgusting to be quite honest.

Everyone should want all citizens, including college athletes, to have exclusive ownership of their own image and likeness. I 100% support athletes making money off of their likeness. This is about fundamental private property rights. However, I should maintain the right and not assign it to anyone else...ever! It's not right that the NCAA is preventing an athlete from earning extra income for giving lessons to a group of preschoolers. It's equally not right for a regulatory body or the state to collect my compensation. They're not entitled to that income. That's what the CA law does. It's a fundamentally anti-capitalist law.

What the NCAA is trying to do is find a way to establish a uniform set of rules to address the issue so that athletes don't have to navigate through a patchwork of different state laws to make sure they're in compliance. States like CA aren't helping the issue by creating their own rules.

Regardless of the outcome, it's a foregone conclusion that college athletics will no longer be what we've loved for most of our lives. Student-athletes and fans of college athletics root for their schools based on pride, love and affiliation. The emotion is pure and remains strong for the rest of their lives building legacies in their families for generations. That's the reason why college football stadiums are always sold out and in excess of 100,000 in attendance. Once compensation is introduced, it now opens the door to creating an upper tier of schools where the most booster money to spread around is located. It also opens the door for sleazy sports agents to represent athletes and, eventually, have the right to collective bargaining. That's the end game. This is why they want to keep those revenues centralized within the universities and the states.

So basically it would be Texas, USC, Notre Dame, UCLA, Florida, Ohio State, etc and then everyone else. I don't blame the NCAA for trying to keep the focus on the "student" in student-athletes. It's beyond futile at this point because of the amount of money involved in college athletics.

The best way to eliminate this issue is to work with all the professional leagues to allow elite student athletes to turn pro right out of high school. Let individuals profit from their own image, likeness, skills and labor just like everyone else in our civil society.
 
The CA law is a joke. It's a no look pass. A head fake. Don't fall for it. It has more to do with creating State power to regulate college athlete compensation off of their likeness, which is already inevitable. The NCAA has already had working groups established to create a set of rules that comply with the ridiculous Title IX laws while at the same time providing athletes the ability to profit off of their likeness or image. The NCAA was set to introduce their guidelines in October. States like CA see enormous revenue potential that they want to control rather than having the student-athletes control it for themselves. That's why the law was written for all student-athlete compensation to run through the universities for "oversight". This is a bunch of crap and wholly unconstitutional on it's face. The CA law is merely a pre-emptive strike to beat the NCAA to the punch. They want to pressure the NCAA to create the upcoming new rules in a way that keeps the States and universities heavily involved in these new revenue streams. This ensures that new bureaucracies with bloated payrolls and bureaucrats and departments and budgets are generated at these universities or state capitols. That opens the door for the States and/or the universities to assess "fees" from the compensation earned by athletes to "oversee" these new rules. That's what the CA bill is all about. It has nothing to do with "Fair Pay to Play" For those of you who have followed politics for any period of time, you should know by now that proposed bills are ALWAYS the opposite of how they're named. This is done purposely to generate support. It's a form of propaganda. It's pathetic and disgusting to be quite honest.

Everyone should want all citizens, including college athletes, to have exclusive ownership of their own image and likeness. I 100% support athletes making money off of their likeness. This is about fundamental private property rights. However, I should maintain the right and not assign it to anyone else...ever! It's not right that the NCAA is preventing an athlete from earning extra income for giving lessons to a group of preschoolers. It's equally not right for a regulatory body or the state to collect my compensation. They're not entitled to that income. That's what the CA law does. It's a fundamentally anti-capitalist law.

What the NCAA is trying to do is find a way to establish a uniform set of rules to address the issue so that athletes don't have to navigate through a patchwork of different state laws to make sure they're in compliance. States like CA aren't helping the issue by creating their own rules.

Regardless of the outcome, it's a foregone conclusion that college athletics will no longer be what we've loved for most of our lives. Student-athletes and fans of college athletics root for their schools based on pride, love and affiliation. The emotion is pure and remains strong for the rest of their lives building legacies in their families for generations. That's the reason why college football stadiums are always sold out and in excess of 100,000 in attendance. Once compensation is introduced, it now opens the door to creating an upper tier of schools where the most booster money to spread around is located. It also opens the door for sleazy sports agents to represent athletes and, eventually, have the right to collective bargaining. That's the end game. This is why they want to keep those revenues centralized within the universities and the states.

So basically it would be Texas, USC, Notre Dame, UCLA, Florida, Ohio State, etc and then everyone else. I don't blame the NCAA for trying to keep the focus on the "student" in student-athletes. It's beyond futile at this point because of the amount of money involved in college athletics.

The best way to eliminate this issue is to work with all the professional leagues to allow elite student athletes to turn pro right out of high school. Let individuals profit from their own image, likeness, skills and labor just like everyone else in our civil society.
I must say---- this will no doubt be the post that we read at your funeral.

Masterful post of the year.
 
I must say---- this will no doubt be the post that we read at your funeral.

Masterful post of the year.

LOL!! Hopefully the funeral isn't anytime soon.

This should be a pretty straightforward issue with a straightforward solution. Unfortunately, this will likely be litigated and politicized for years and years because of the money and power that's at stake.
 
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Go check forums of other B12 teams. It's as I feared. If this goes full tilt buying players, they know that their teams will be irrelevant and will quit cfb and college sports in general. Most have a great point. It's the framework that is in place currently that allows for students to be paid. If the fans of the weaker teams disappear like a fart in the wind, then it's over.
 
This is only going to be an issue for 2 sports. Football and Men's Basketball. Once the new NBA CBA gets rid of the one and done it will only be an issue for Men's football. The people that are pushing this are going to find out that money isn't going to be spread around to everyone like Halloween candy. Your top end guys might will be able to make decent money off of their likeness. Some might get some shoe company money but a vast majority of the guys aren't going to get a dime. If this forces some kind of minor leauge football then all of the big money will be gone.
 
Jumping back into the fray.... why does everyone feel that only the top end guys are going to benefit? What if stud player X says to his new benefactor, "What are you going to do for my guys on the OLine?" etc. Then they get paid too though basically being anonymous but very necessary.
 
How many NFL lineman do seem with endorsement deals? How many redshirt OL guys are going to be recognizable enough to market themselves. At a place like Texas they might get a little money from Nike and Gatorade but the big money isn’t going to be there. I doubt their will be any money available for women’s crew.
 
How many NFL lineman do seem with endorsement deals? How many redshirt OL guys are going to be recognizable enough to market themselves. At a place like Texas they might get a little money from Nike and Gatorade but the big money isn’t going to be there. I doubt their will be any money available for women’s crew.
But this won't be a fair market economy. This will be boosters with big money giving big money to the 25 scholarships player per class that the head coaches want. Will a redshirt OT like Tyler Johnson be in TV commercials? No, but he will get paid a pretty hefty "appearance fee" or some BS like that. And I think the concern that some have is that schools like Texas, USC, tOSU etc will be able to do more of that than others.
 
How many NFL lineman do seem with endorsement deals? How many redshirt OL guys are going to be recognizable enough to market themselves. At a place like Texas they might get a little money from Nike and Gatorade but the big money isn’t going to be there. I doubt their will be any money available for women’s crew.
College ain't the pros... You really think that money (maybe not top dollar) won't be spent on other players? Football is a team sport. That's why Tom Herman encourages his skill players to thank OL after scores. It's not forgotten that easily. And Title IX will force money to be spread around just like they did for women's scholarships.
 
The worthless state of california sees this as a money grab through taxation. Follow the money. They can't even keep the turds off the streets there. Can you imagine the smell?

This will have horrible unintended consequences for cfb but like any good tax and spend locust politician, the ends justify the means. This has to be corraled and stopped.

90% of college football programs will go away. Most programs are struggling to keep up with the needs of the players. This will be the straw that breaks the camels back if they have to shift donor resources from facilities to bids for players. TCU is a great example of this.


https://www.star-telegram.com/sports/college/big-12/texas-christian-university/article235682452.html
 
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Jumping back into the fray.... why does everyone feel that only the top end guys are going to benefit? What if stud player X says to his new benefactor, "What are you going to do for my guys on the OLine?" etc. Then they get paid too though basically being anonymous but very necessary.
Are all you guys taking crazy pills or just hard of hearing? Obviously I'm joking, but everyone seems to be over looking the elephant in the room.

Title IX

Once the University cuts that check to the QB, federal law dictates they must cut the same check to every girl on the volleyball team, the basketball team, the softball team etc. With the University being a go between, any money flowing into the hands of any athlete must be matched for all athletes. This is a litigation trap.
 
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Are all you guys taking crazy pills or just hard of hearing? Obviously I'm joking, but everyone seems to be over looking the elephant in the room.

Title IX

Once the University cuts that check to the QB, federal law dictates they must cut the same check to every girl on the volleyball team, the basketball team, the softball team etc. With the University being a go between, any money flowing into the hands of any athlete must be matched for all athletes. This is a litigation trap.

I know that it's not going to happen, but I wish Title IX would be blown up. Things aren't always fair in life. Title IX is bad for big time college athletics and a drain on an athletic budget for creating and paying for meaningless sports.
 
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Are all you guys taking crazy pills or just hard of hearing? Obviously I'm joking, but everyone seems to be over looking the elephant in the room.

Title IX

Once the University cuts that check to the QB, federal law dictates they must cut the same check to every girl on the volleyball team, the basketball team, the softball team etc. With the University being a go between, any money flowing into the hands of any athlete must be matched for all athletes. This is a litigation trap.

Correct. The cali law is doomed and so is every state law that addresses this issue. Pretty sure that any student athlete that takes money will be suspended and in addition the NCAA could levy some very harsh punishments on any non compliant university. This will have to be settled by Federal Congress critters (like MLB) who will be heavily lobbied by the ncaa. No worries.
 
Correct. The cali law is doomed and so is every state law that addresses this issue. Pretty sure that any student athlete that takes money will be suspended and in addition the NCAA could levy some very harsh punishments on any non compliant university. This will have to be settled by Federal Congress critters (like MLB) who will be heavily lobbied by the ncaa. No worries.
And here's the real Kicker to all this.


What happens when it's time for an 18 year old to fill out his 1040 and pay taxes on all that endorsement money?

I see several teenagers facing IRS litigation in the future.
 
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And here's the real Kicker to all this.


What happens when it's time for an 18 year old to fill out his 1040 and pay taxes on all that endorsement money?

I see several teenagers facing IRS litigation in the future.

LOL, how many can balance their checkbook?
 
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