I don’t disagree, but stability only works if you have the right guy.
Offensive changes may be coming
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Plus OU had the opportinity to Hire within. That was the best move they could have made. OU hired a guy that knew the players and staff extremely well and was able to make he necessary changes after the draft and graduation. OU is leaps and bounds ahead of Texas right now but that’s not news.
And to think we suck so bad we actually hung with them.
No one WANTS to fire a coach. He is likely to get 3 years. Do I think it’s impossible that he could be forced out after next year under certain circumstances? No I don’t.
Yeah Texas in a nutshell. Playing up to better teams and down to lesser teams.
This team was very bipolar but I don't know if that had to do with the inconsistency at QB and OL.
I'd tap the brakes on Herman.
I know he is a genius and all that but he needs to get he HC deal down a little better before he becomes OC also.
Personally I feel it’s just the weekly preparation. Because I think then when they play games against good opponents they are so pumped and excited to prove themselves. But when they are projected to win easily they aren’t mentally preparing hard enough. So I guess it comes down to maturity.
If they fire Herman in three years or less, we got problems that won't be overcome for a very long time! Sorry, but it's true! Look at Florida, Tennessee and Nebraska for starters.
That he coached last year. He is also calling the plays. I also bet that he trusts mike stoops to run the defense well enough for Riley not to be worried about it. So essentially he’s an OC with extra responsibilities.
Not very compareable situations
Florida had a pretty good coach. The AD wanted to bring in his own guy. One could argue they upgraded with Mullen
Tennessee they didn’t fire Lane Kiffin he left, and they gave Butch Jones 5 years.
Nabeaska had coaches in Solich and Pelini that pretty consistently won 8-9 a year they decided that wasn’t good enough. They progressively got worse
None of that really applies to Texas. I mean if we are sitting here in November 2018 and the offense still sucks and we struggled to be .500. You can’t tell me there wouldn’t be some discussion about Herman’s future.
Now if the offense improves and we can get to 7-8 wins and really show improvement it’s all moot. That’s all he needs is some tangible improvement.
Bruh, you're ready for him to be gone, you seem to expect immediate results. I was set on 7-5 based on what the previous year gave us with insight, they weren't far off. I was extremely disappointed to start the season with an L and bookend it with another. The OL was the worst unit I have ever seen on the forty and underperformed. Now, if kids are bailing on the staff, it's over. Have your party, he's gone after three.
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The problem with changing 2 coaches in 6 years is that your program will self immolate. Look at Tennessee, Florida, and Nebraska.
If you consider immedeiate results some improvement on this year. Meaning an offense that can put up more than 3 TDs a game and more than 6 wins(even if it’s just 7) then yeah I guess that’s true. I’m not expecting 10 wins or anything. Never did. I predicted 8 wins for this year. So my expectations weren’t that high.
It really should have been. The OL was literally the worst unit I watched in CFB. We cant act like undeveloped QB's normally win a lot of games. We had a true sophomore and true freshman under center. With the OL we have, that's not friendly. Herman doesn't have to blame that on the players, it was obvious.
And currently there are two Offensive lineman in the current recruiting class. If it stays that way and the offensive line is still an issue he will have to answer for that. Hopefully we can work the Juco and transfer ranks as well as out of state to get the talent level on the line up to par
It's sad, but why come here? Williams will be the first draft selection in a really long time at the position.
9 kids return, plus 2, they need 1 more plus JUCO.
There aren't enough good coaches for everyone to have one. If you have determined you don't have one, I don't see what the point is for hanging on to him is. Other than financial issues or possibly getting your ducks in a row. There is no building to be done if your coach isn't capable.
At this point, the complete lack of upperclassmen? It would be nice for the next coach to have a loaded top end to work with. That takes at least four years. He will do some winning between now and then.
If I were Herman I’d gather up all the money I could and bring in the best OL coach in football(whoever that is deemed to be.) his future may depend on that. Notre Dame OL coach is probably the guy. They turn out Pros like crazy.
It would be nice for the original coach to not just suck in the first place but yeah. I would guess the majority of coaches that get fired aren't leaving a stacked roster for the next guy regardless if they were there 3 years or 6.
Truth, which is why I hope to see significant change in year 2.
To me the 2nd year is where you see a step forward if you are going to see one.
Nick Saban went 6-6 at Bama in year 1, 12-2 in year 2
Urban Meyer went 9-3 at Florida and 13-1 in year 2.
Mark Richt took major steps forward in year 2 at UGA and Miami.
Will Muschap went from 6 wins at South Carolina to 8 wins this year.
It’s probably unrealistic to expect 12 wins or anything like that but going from 6 to 8 would follow a positive trend of successful coaches.
Nick Saban went 6-6 at Bama in year 1, 12-2 in year 2
Urban Meyer went 9-3 at Florida and 13-1 in year 2.
Mark Richt took major steps forward in year 2 at UGA and Miami.
Will Muschap went from 6 wins at South Carolina to 8 wins this year.
It’s probably unrealistic to expect 12 wins or anything like that but going from 6 to 8 would follow a positive trend of successful coaches.
Can't argue that winning hides a lot but in his case it played a factor along with him not getting a long with his bosses.
Herman does need to show significant improvement next year. No doubt.
Ryan, Herman is NOT going to be fired after next season. The only possible way that would happen would be if they went like 1-11 and/or there was some kind of scandal, etc. So you can stop thinking that's going to happen. With the mess and somewhat coaching carousel at Texas, if we keep firing coaches so quickly, no one is going to want to come here. Don't think for a minute that top coaches don't pay attention to that. Texas has struggled to attract name coaches with the last two hires. Think about that.
Ryan, Herman is NOT going to be fired after next season. The only possible way that would happen would be if they went like 1-11 and/or there was some kind of scandal, etc. So you can stop thinking that's going to happen. With the mess and somewhat coaching carousel at Texas, if we keep firing coaches so quickly, no one is going to want to come here. Don't think for a minute that top coaches don't pay attention to that. Texas has struggled to attract name coaches with the last two hires. Think about that.
Tends to happen with ADs and coaches who they didn’t hire. Herman could very well be in that same boat down the road. Who knows the future at AD is somewhat uncertain.
I agree with LMM no high profile coach will want to pack up his family move to Texas (Austin) and buy a house, enroll kids (if any) and go through all the trouble just to get fired the following year. No matter the money involved!
"Honey this is Texas they fire coaches the next year if they don't put up a 10-2 record so stay where you are and I'll send money".
"Honey this is Texas they fire coaches the next year if they don't put up a 10-2 record so stay where you are and I'll send money".
Who did we struggle to attract? Herman is the guy the boosters and admin wanted and they got him. There wasn't even a search to struggle with.
That maybe true but keep this in mind. The only thing that probsbly saved Herman from a 2-3 win season is the defense played at an elite level. I’m not sure they will be able to maintain that level with the guys they are losing. So if the offense can’t improve a disaster season next year isn’t out of the realm of possibility.
As far as failing to attract a big name coach. That could be true of the first search to replace Mack, but I think we’re fooling ourselves thinking Texas didn’t get the guy they wanted. At least the 2nd guy they wanted this time.
I wanted Riley as the HC as long as he was the OC too.If he gives that up, not sure how much better he would be than the next guy as HC. That's not a knock on him per say but he is a heck of an OC and should be in that role imo.
Strong was what, Texas' fourth or fifth coaching choice? Herman was most likely the coach that was targeted, but I don't think other name coaches rang the phone in Austin and asked to be considered. You would think TEXAS would be a coaching destination and dream for the top coaching talent in America. Sadly, it is not.
