Only one Longhorn invited to NFL Combine.

[Longyac]

So, basically y'all don't know a thing about what JuCos or GTs were available and anyone that disagrees with you on the matter needs to show you're wrong and you don't have to show any great missed opportunities. Sounds highly aggy.

Did you know that Strong was hired after JuCo LOI day for the 2014 class?
Did know there were 3 JuCos in the 2015 class including starting RT Nickelson?

Why don't you'll go to this link and give us all a run down of the talent better than what we took in 2015 that could get qualify to get into UT and pass Strong's rules of conduct. Tell us what their production was where they landed and tell us who of the 2015 class that got in you would give up to give their slot to the other guy.
http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=JuniorCollege

 

[oldhorn2]

crickets....

 

[jsto60]

So, basically y'all don't know a thing about what JuCos or GTs were available and anyone that disagrees with you on the matter needs to show you're wrong and you don't have to show any great missed opportunities. Sounds highly aggy.

Did you know that Strong was hired after JuCo LOI day for the 2014 class?
Did know there were 3 JuCos in the 2015 class including starting RT Nickelson?

Why don't you'll go to this link and give us all a run down of the talent better than what we took in 2015 that could get qualify to get into UT and pass Strong's rules of conduct. Tell us what their production was where they landed and tell us who of the 2015 class that got in you would give up to give their slot to the other guy.
http://247sports.com/Season/2015-Football/CompositeRecruitRankings?InstitutionGroup=JuniorCollege

I don't think JuCo was the answer at QB. I would have gone grad xfer.

You can't argue that we at the very least should have added an experienced body. Roster at QB when Strong came in was Ash (at the time not even cleared to practice), Swoopes (saw limited action under Mack in frosh year but Strong diagnosed right away that he would have liked to move him to TE) and Heard coming in with a plan to RS. Legitimately a warm body coming in at the position would have set the offense on a totally different tangent in year 1. And that would have carried in to year 2.

And there were more than just a few warm bodies available. Max Wittik, Michael Brewer, and Matt Joekel were only a few names sniffing around in year 1. Year 2 had Connor Brewer, Golson, Vernon Adams, John O'korn, Hubenak, Bram Kohlhausen (you know the guy who led a miracle TCU bowl comeback) and others to varying degrees. I like the young talent we have brought in. Although Heard was Macks guy and Locksley/Buechele look to be a future. But we should have stemmed the tide better. Its really not debatable. And to act like Strong couldn't have done anything is just a weak excuse.




See TCU who had Paschal at QB with Boykin set behind him and still during this time frame we are talking they also accepted in Kenny Hill, Matt Joekel, and Bram K...notice the proactive accepting of xfers and how it helped them...

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I don't think JuCo was the answer at QB. I would have gone grad xfer.

You can't argue that we at the very least should have added an experienced body. Roster at QB when Strong came in was Ash (at the time not even cleared to practice), Swoopes (saw limited action under Mack in frosh year but Strong diagnosed right away that he would have liked to move him to TE) and Heard coming in with a plan to RS. Legitimately a warm body coming in at the position would have set the offense on a totally different tangent in year 1. And that would have carried in to year 2.

And there were more than just a few warm bodies available. Max Wittik, Michael Brewer, and Matt Joekel were only a few names sniffing around in year 1. Year 2 had Connor Brewer, Golson, Vernon Adams, John O'korn, Hubenak, Bram Kohlhausen (you know the guy who led a miracle TCU bowl comeback) and others to varying degrees. I like the young talent we have brought in. Although Heard was Macks guy and Locksley/Buechele look to be a future. But we should have stemmed the tide better. Its really not debatable. And to act like Strong couldn't have done anything is just a weak excuse.

See TCU who had Paschal at QB with Boykin set behind him and still during this time frame we are talking they also accepted in Kenny Hill, Matt Joekel, and Bram K...notice the proactive accepting of xfers and how it helped them...

We had a grad transfer lined up for 2014. Wittek was a done deal. When you learn in mid-May that he's not going to graduate, you're basically out of options. That's just bad luck.

No argument on 2015, though. That was obviously a major failure.

 

[jsto60]

We had a grad transfer lined up for 2014. Wittek was a done deal. When you learn in mid-May that he's not going to graduate, you're basically out of options. That's just bad luck.

No argument on 2015, though. That was obviously a major failure.

Nothing is a done deal, until it happens.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Nothing is a done deal, until it happens.

However you care to phrase it, he was coming to Texas until he failed to graduate. That's not on the staff. That's just terrible luck.

 

[outhereincali]

siap

Yes I know coach Strong made some mistakes in hiring his coach staff especially on offense. It's only year three and were down to just two coaches on the original coaching staff, three if you want to count Pat Moorer.

And coach Strong will probably be gone if we don't win at least 8 games this year.

But the fact of the matter is there will be no more than 3 seniors in the starting lineup when the Irish come calling on Labor Day weekend. That's it. That would be Dylan Haines, Caleb Blutt (sic?), and Kent Perkins. And there is a real chance that by the time we play TCU in the season finale KP will be the only senior in the starting lineup. In 50 years of watching my Horns I don't remember seeing a team with only one senior in the starting lineup. Most of the players that were kicked off the team two years ago would have been seniors this year. This years seniors will be even worse than last year's and believe me that's saying a lot. What this means is that our underclassmen will have to learn to win on their own.

As mentioned earlier in this thread 60 of the 85 scolly players will be freshman or sophomores. However there are some good juniors in this years class. But if we can get to the 8 win mark and beat Baylor, Oklahoma, or TCU he should be brought back. My lord I never thought I'd ever say that beating TCU would be meaningful. I remember when the rest of the SWC would make fun of you if the horn frogs beat you.

But if coach Gilbert and the new coaches on offense come through then we should win 8 because there is a lot of talent with our underclassmen.

 

[jsto60]

However you care to phrase it, he was coming to Texas until he failed to graduate. That's not on the staff. That's just terrible luck.

Again, I don't remember seeing him take snaps here. And the QB position still has yet to be addressed with experience. I do like the youth coming in to compete the past few years. But an experienced stop gap was clearly needed. My neighbor is from Oklahoma and his blind ex wife could have told you UT needed to add a QB.

Again, see TCU. They didn't need a QB. Seeing as how they had Paschal and Boykin. And yet they still added Hill, Joekel, and the Bram K. kid who wanted to come to UT and we ignored him. He only sat for a few years and then won them an epic bowl game a month or so ago. They are now writing a movie about him. One phone call and he was ours. Hindsight is 20/20. But what wasn't needed was any hindsight at all to see we needed an influx of QBs to fix a glaring hole. And here we sit.....still with said hole....and people blaming Mack. Just saying, even old half retired Mack would have addressed the QB position more aggressively.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

Again, I don't remember seeing him take snaps here. And the QB position still has yet to be addressed with experience. I do like the youth coming in to compete the past few years. But an experienced stop gap was clearly needed. My neighbor is from Oklahoma and his blind ex wife could have told you UT needed to add a QB.

Again, see TCU. They didn't need a QB. Seeing as how they had Paschal and Boykin. And yet they still added Hill, Joekel, and the Bram K. kid who wanted to come to UT and we ignored him. He only sat for a few years and then won them an epic bowl game a month or so ago. They are now writing a movie about him. One phone call and he was ours. Hindsight is 20/20. But what wasn't needed was any hindsight at all to see we needed an influx of QBs to fix a glaring hole. And here we sit.....still with said hole....and people blaming Mack. Just saying, even old half retired Mack would have addressed the QB position more aggressively.

Your post isn't really answering or properly contradicting anything I've said. I'm not talking about anything but 2014. I've already said numerous times, and at least once in this very thread, that not bringing in a grad transfer for 2015 was a colossal mistake.

If Shane Buechele had surprised us at the last minute and dropped Texas, you couldn't fairly say that Strong had not made the proper effort to sign an elite high school QB for the 2016 class. Sh*t happens. The staff was set to land a grad transfer QB in Wittek before the 2014 season. He screws up and gets himself kicked out of USC in mid-May, cannot graduate, and thus cannot be a grad transfer. That wasn't a reasonably foreseeable event, and there are no viable alternatives that late in the game. Pure bad luck. End of story.

 

[Belldozer1]

siap

Yes I know coach Strong made some mistakes in hiring his coach staff especially on offense. It's only year three and were down to just two coaches on the original coaching staff, three if you want to count Pat Moorer.

And coach Strong will probably be gone if we don't win at least 8 games this year.

But the fact of the matter is there will be no more than 3 seniors in the starting lineup when the Irish come calling on Labor Day weekend. That's it. That would be Dylan Haines, Caleb Blutt (sic?), and Kent Perkins. And there is a real chance that by the time we play TCU in the season finale KP will be the only senior in the starting lineup. In 50 years of watching my Horns I don't remember seeing a team with only one senior in the starting lineup. Most of the players that were kicked off the team two years ago would have been seniors this year. This years seniors will be even worse than last year's and believe me that's saying a lot. What this means is that our underclassmen will have to learn to win on their own.

As mentioned earlier in this thread 60 of the 85 scolly players will be freshman or sophomores. However there are some good juniors in this years class. But if we can get to the 8 win mark and beat Baylor, Oklahoma, or TCU he should be brought back. My lord I never thought I'd ever say that beating TCU would be meaningful. I remember when the rest of the SWC would make fun of you if the horn frogs beat you.

But if coach Gilbert and the new coaches on offense come through then we should win 8 because there is a lot of talent with our underclassmen.

Oh hell. Is this a preemptive 'We're Young' excuse? Every college team is young to a degree but SOME Texas fans have adopted that mantra solely since 2009.Enough already. Strong needs to nut up and prove he knows what he doing and coach em up or get out the way.Bottom line. Same expectations for Stoops btw at 5 mil. Per year, regardless of how many seniors he has.

 

[swVAHorn]

Oh hell. Is this a preemptive 'We're Young' excuse? Every college team is young to a degree but SOME Texas fans have adopted that mantra solely since 2009.Enough already. Strong needs to nut up and prove he knows what he doing and coach em up or get out the way.Bottom line. Same expectations for Stoops btw at 5 mil. Per year, regardless of how many seniors he has.

I will say I am tired of excuses too....but........Texas is in FACT YOUNG........I expect that young talent to play though and play well. The coaches need to find what they are good at and put them in situations to compete. The QB position is the glaring problem. Young there is a bigger deal than a young LB or CB or WR. Texas has got to get a QB ready to play. We can't ALWAYS be a year or 2 away!!

I think BRB may have posted the other day 65 of 85 ships are freshman or sophs.......that is young.

 

[oldhorn2]

Dozer...at one time you used to bring something to this board. I don't know what happened, but you have just become a troll. I don't mind a good debate, or even some good old fashioned smack, but this is sad. I know you are better than this.

 

[Belldozer1]

Dozer...at one time you used to bring something to this board. I don't know what happened, but you have just become a troll. I don't mind a good debate, or even some good old fashioned smack, but this is sad. I know you are better than this.

Asking the fan base to stop making excuses for Strong is trolling? Notice the same expectations are expected of Stoops. Old horn I would think you should be chastising the excuse makers and telling them they are better than that. At 5 mil per year, there are no excuses

 

[oldhorn2]

Dozer....correct me if I am wrong.....but did you not say in one of these threads that this year Texas beat an OU team that had a new QB....cordinator...blah...blah...like that OU team was so ordinary that any team could have beaten them?....The OU team that carried that one loss into the final 4 playoffs?.

That was just too aggy like . Then you have the nerve to act offended when you get called out for trolling...trolling badly I might add for me to claim our team is young?....yeah the team that had more freshman snaps played that any other team in college football?

Dozer come back from the edge. You are better than that....or at least you used to be.


You are right about one thing. We do need to start playing football, and I dont give 2 shits how much we pay a coach.

 

[Scholz]

Asking the fan base to stop making excuses for Strong is trolling?

1) An ou fan telling ANYONE to not make excuses is comical. You guys are the kings of excuse making.
2) Who anointed you the arbiter of how Longhorns should act on a Longhorn website, okie?
3) Yes, you're trolling. All you do is talk trash.

 

[Belldozer1]

Dozer....correct me if I am wrong.....but did you not say in one of these threads that this year Texas beat an OU team that had a new QB....cordinator...blah...blah...like that OU team was so ordinary that any team could have beaten them?....The OU team that carried that one loss into the final 4 playoffs?.

That was just too aggy like . Then you have the nerve to act offended when you get called out for trolling...trolling badly I might add for me to claim our team is young?....yeah the team that had more freshman snaps played that any other team in college football?

Dozer come back from the edge. You are better than that....or at least you used to be.


You are right about one thing. We do need to start playing football, and I dont give 2 shits how much we pay a coach.

Me saying that beating an OU team that was young on offense early in the season is not something to write home about IS NOT making an excuse for a whole season OR TWO. Big difference Oldhorn.

 

[Scholz]

I remember when the entire ou fanbase made an excuse of losing to Texas when they lost a single defensive player for a single half of play. Give us a freaking break on excuse making.

 

[Belldozer1]

Me saying that beating an OU team that was young on offense early in the season is not something to write home about IS NOT making an excuse for a whole season OR TWO. Big difference Oldhorn.

Also there was a team that made a bowl and won their bowl that was determined to be playing the most underclass men in the nation. I'll have to research to find out who that team was.

 

[jsto60]

Your post isn't really answering or properly contradicting anything I've said. I'm not talking about anything but 2014. I've already said numerous times, and at least once in this very thread, that not bringing in a grad transfer for 2015 was a colossal mistake.

If Shane Buechele had surprised us at the last minute and dropped Texas, you couldn't fairly say that Strong had not made the proper effort to sign an elite high school QB for the 2016 class. Sh*t happens. The staff was set to land a grad transfer QB in Wittek before the 2014 season. He screws up and gets himself kicked out of USC in mid-May, cannot graduate, and thus cannot be a grad transfer. That wasn't a reasonably foreseeable event, and there are no viable alternatives that late in the game. Pure bad luck. End of story.

I wasn't trying to properly contradict you. Just giving my two cents.

I don't care about shoulda woulda couldas or almost got em. Ifs, ands, or buts.

If we would have lost Buechele, my point would remain. I am not saying Strong didn't try. I am saying he hasn't succeeded at getting any xfer or grad or juco QBs. Thats a fact. And he should have. And its not bad luck or oh lets mount a ton of excuses as to why he hasn't succeeded at it. Bottom line is he hasn't. Hell I think I could name a QB on every single team in the conference that has gotten an xfer QB in just the last two years. So its not like its impossible. TCU has been debated. OU just got Murray. KSU is the king of it. TT is a revolving door at it. OSU lost 2 and got at least 1. Could go on and on. It doesn't matter. It hasn't happened here and excuses be damned, its a mark against Strong. Same as his bad OC hiring.

All that being said. I like Strong. Think he is on the way to addressing OC and also QB. He just took the long route with young recruits. He could have done both. And we'd have been better for it. Instead of watching Swoopes, we could have had a stop gap and done absolutely nothing to inhibit Locksley or Buechele or even Heard for that matter.

 

[oldhorn2]

jsto....fair enough. Good points

 

[Longyac]

Your post isn't really answering or properly contradicting anything I've said. I'm not talking about anything but 2014. I've already said numerous times, and at least once in this very thread, that not bringing in a grad transfer for 2015 was a colossal mistake.

We pursued Vernon Adams but he went to UO. We talked to Gholson but ND blocked us. What other GT QB was there for 2015? What makes you think a 6-7 team is an attractive place for a 1 year QB?

This seems like another variety of, 'Strong should gotten a bunch of JuCos' without anyone being able to say what JuCos were available and could qualify.

 

[Belldozer1]

I find it alarming and depressing that both Baylor and TCU can still function AND win either backup qbs playing, in Baylors case their 4th or 5th option playing, but if Texas or OU's starter goes down then there goes the season. OU would have been 6-6 tops with Knight running the show last year .

 

[jsto60]

We pursued Vernon Adams but he went to UO. We talked to Gholson but ND blocked us. What other GT QB was there for 2015? What makes you think a 6-7 team is an attractive place for a 1 year QB?

This seems like another variety of, 'Strong should gotten a bunch of JuCos' without anyone being able to say what JuCos were available and could qualify.

Yeah so he pursued and didn't get. He should have pursued AND gotten 1.

It didn't even have to be a big name. There were rumblings that Bram Kohlhausen (you know the 3rd QB xfer TCU got who won their bowl game and is now having a disney movie made about his life story) was begging to come here and would potentially walk on. Just like John O'Korn you know the guy that Jameis Winston tweeted with Joel Osteen that this kid is gonna do big things at UT. Until the staff didn't bother to talk to him. I mean the options are all over the place. And we haven't gotten one. You can make all the excuses for that, that you want. But its a fact. And those are just excuses for failure.

I get the staff might have reasons or problems with certain kids. But they should have pursued and gotten someone. It is not as impossible as posters here makes it sound. It was a fault of Mack to say put all his chips in the GG basket. And it was a fault of Strong to say put all his chips in the Wittik basket and/or in the Ash basket (when he took the job Ash wasn't even cleared to practice so this was an obvious point of contention that he should have planned for). Every year there are multiple good options. He should have gotten at least one at least one of the last 2 years. Simple as that.

 

[jsto60]

I say all that and I still support Strong and like what he is building. I just think he shouldn't have waited til year 3 to be proactive at the OC position. And should have addressed the QB position from multiple angles. Its only the most important position and our most glaring hole for years now. Simple as that. I like where we are headed with our youth. But the excuse of youth is just as much on Strong as it is on Mack.

Mack hasn't been on a sideline for coming on 3 years now. Only reason to talk about Mack is to talk about the past. Or his successes and failures. And the job he is doing on TV now.

The W's and L's go next to Strongs name. Sure Mack contributed to it. This roster isn't 100% Strongs guys but he IS the guy coaching them. And making the decisions. I think he is a great recruiter. A good to very good coach. And a questionable CEO. Not sure if he is in over his head in regards to the CEO. But we will find out.

So far he has been challenged and the results are a mixed bag. Not impossible for him to either sink or swim. I'm hopeful he swims. I think he has plenty of fight in him. He can grow and learn and be all the better for it or he will falter. But by blaming Mack, we are just making excuses for Strongs mishandling of certain situations and that will not push him to grow. Accountability will.

 

[swVAHorn]

I agree with jsto and his reasoning and I am trying my best to understand the "we tried" group. Mack gets blamed for personel he took or did not take (JT Barrett) during his watch and Strong should be held accountable for his. Trying does not count. If Strong gets just an "average" QB, last year is better and this year is for sure.

I also agree with jsto that longterm Strong is building a special team. I would have been so much more excited for this coaching staff than his first (especially) and second.

At least be consistent.....if you blame Mack for players he took or did not take......do the same for Strong......

 

[Longyac]

Yeah so he pursued and didn't get. He should have pursued AND gotten 1.

It didn't even have to be a big name. There were rumblings that Bram Kohlhausen (you know the 3rd QB xfer TCU got who won their bowl game and is now having a disney movie made about his life story) was begging to come here and would potentially walk on. Just like John O'Korn you know the guy that Jameis Winston tweeted with Joel Osteen that this kid is gonna do big things at UT. Until the staff didn't bother to talk to him. I mean the options are all over the place. And we haven't gotten one. You can make all the excuses for that, that you want. But its a fact. And those are just excuses for failure.

I get the staff might have reasons or problems with certain kids. But they should have pursued and gotten someone. It is not as impossible as posters here makes it sound. It was a fault of Mack to say put all his chips in the GG basket. And it was a fault of Strong to say put all his chips in the Wittik basket and/or in the Ash basket (when he took the job Ash wasn't even cleared to practice so this was an obvious point of contention that he should have planned for). Every year there are multiple good options. He should have gotten at least one at least one of the last 2 years. Simple as that.

So, your ideas are a pure pocket passer that chose to learn under Harbaugh, I would have too, or a JuCo guy that transferred to TCU? Kohlhausen said no to Texas once the Wittek on board with Texas news broke. I don't think Kohlhausen could have transferred here after 2014 as he'd have had to sit two years for a within conference move and his 5 year clock would have expired.

BTW- I was asking about what GTs were available as everyone else would have to sit out a year or two and neither of those guys are GTs. O'Korn would have sat out 2015.

 

[swVAHorn]

Any.....A N Y.........any average QB would have been an upgrade. The point is not the exact guy jsto wanted......the point is THERE WERE OPTIONS. Texas could have gotten S O M E B O D Y that was better than what we had. How can the same people who claim Mack took crappy players and didn't get good players NOT hold Strong to the same G$#$%ed Standard???? I don't get it.

 

[oldhorn2]

any....somebody....who?

 

[BringBackRoyal]

I am not saying Strong didn't try. I am saying he hasn't succeeded at getting any xfer or grad or juco QBs. Thats a fact. And he should have. And its not bad luck or oh lets mount a ton of excuses as to why he hasn't succeeded at it. Bottom line is he hasn't. Hell I think I could name a QB on every single team in the conference that has gotten an xfer QB in just the last two years. So its not like its impossible.

Hardly anyone is arguing that Strong shouldn't have gotten a grad transfer or JUCO in here by now, and everyone recognizes that he will ultimately suffer the consequences of failing to find a solution at QB if things don't improve dramatically this year, regardless of the reasons for that failure. That's not even a controversy. Yes, obviously Strong would not get unlimited passes for cases of pure bad luck, even if every single miss were such a case.

You keep reverting to his entire record in saying that his failure to bring someone in isn't just about bad luck. And I keep not disagreeing with you at all. But the fact that the consequences for Charlie will ultimately be the same, regardless of the reasons for the failures, does not mean that no analytical difference exists between (1) a situation where the staff was set to land a grad transfer QB before pure bad fortune intervened to prevent that from happening and at a point where no other viable solution was available and (2) a situation where the staff never positioned Texas as the leader for any grad transfer or JUCO QB.

You said:

You can't argue that we at the very least should have added an experienced body. . . . Legitimately a warm body coming in at the position would have set the offense on a totally different tangent in year 1. . . . And there were more than just a few warm bodies available. Max Wittik, Michael Brewer, and Matt Joekel were only a few names sniffing around in year 1.

My argument was only in response to these statements, and my point was that this is a controversy for exactly no one -- not fans, and not the coaching staff. Everyone agrees that we needed to add someone. In fact, the coaching staff agreed so much on this point that mention of Brewer, Joeckel, and any name other than Wittek is completely extraneous and unnecessary, because the coaches targeted, led for, and were set to land Wittek. The only reason for not landing a grad transfer QB in year one was indeed pure bad luck (and that was the only point of the analogous Buechele hypothetical).

When I point this out in response to your comments on the failure to land a QB before the 2014 season, you revert to saying that you can't argue that Charlie hasn't brought in a grad transfer or JUCO QB from January 2014 until February 2016 only because of bad luck. And, again, I completely agree. Virtually everyone agrees. That was never an argument. And, again, no one disagrees on what the ultimate consequences for Charlie will be, regardless of the specific reasons. As I said at the time and here again, my point was in response to specific statements about year one, not about Charlie's global failure to land a grad transfer or JUCO QB.

 

[BringBackRoyal]

We pursued Vernon Adams but he went to UO. We talked to Gholson but ND blocked us. What other GT QB was there for 2015? What makes you think a 6-7 team is an attractive place for a 1 year QB?

This seems like another variety of, 'Strong should gotten a bunch of JuCos' without anyone being able to say what JuCos were available and could qualify.

Fair points, and I concede that I don't have the full list of grad transfers and JUCOs available, but I have a hard time believing that this coaching staff -- with persuasive powers that have enabled it to sign the best classes in the Big 12 and the state after two losing seasons (and several years in which Texas has been irrelevant nationally) -- could not have landed someone better than Swoopes for 2015. That's a pretty low bar to clear. It shouldn't have taken the greatest sales job ever after 2014 to get someone to buy into the idea that, with a more experienced OL returning, a good QB was all Texas needed to get to double-digit wins.

 

[swVAHorn]

Fair points, and I concede that I don't have the full list of grad transfers and JUCOs available, but I have a hard time believing that this coaching staff -- with persuasive powers that have enabled it to sign the best classes in the Big 12 and the state after two losing seasons (and several years in which Texas has been irrelevant nationally) -- could not have landed someone better than Swoopes for 2015. That's a pretty low bar to clear. It shouldn't have taken the greatest sales job ever after 2014 to get someone to buy into the idea that, with a more experienced OL returning, a good QB was all Texas needed to get to double-digit wins.

I do believe if Texas had a "good" QB Texas does not have either losing season the last two years. Strong has proven he can get his teams up for Big games like ou and baylor...now we got to get them ready for everyone and Texas will be back.

 

[oldhorn2]

from Case McCoy to Swoopes to Heard...I have never seen such a run of bad play from the QB position since I have been watching them from 1962 on....I dont care who blames who...I just want to see it end. I have hope because we at least now have some choices. If this one doesnt do the job, next man up....we have a chance.

 

[jsto60]

Hardly anyone is arguing that Strong shouldn't have gotten a grad transfer or JUCO in here by now

Could have fooled me.

I mean just look back at the thread.

Heck, just look right above this very post I am referencing of yours. When someone has a one liner basically saying "who"? As if to say, there were just no options and you can't blame Charlie. I'm just saying that is categorically erroneous.

 

[jsto60]

So, your ideas are a pure pocket passer that chose to learn under Harbaugh, I would have too, or a JuCo guy that transferred to TCU? Kohlhausen said no to Texas once the Wittek on board with Texas news broke. I don't think Kohlhausen could have transferred here after 2014 as he'd have had to sit two years for a within conference move and his 5 year clock would have expired.

BTW- I was asking about what GTs were available as everyone else would have to sit out a year or two and neither of those guys are GTs. O'Korn would have sat out 2015.

1) Wittik was never ON board with Texas. I don't ever remember seeing him put on a jersey or take a single class here.

2) The above being true, when the staff "lost" Wittik is when they could have gone after Kohlhausen or WHOEVER else. No one is saying he should have xferred to TCU and then left there to come here. That is just a straw man scenario you are fabricating to make it look like we never could have gotten him.

3) I didn't at any point EVER mention Harbaugh and I think you are aluding to Gentry. Not once did I mention him. He has nothing to do with this. I am not talking about incoming HS recruits. I like what Strong has done there. I am talking about how he has yet to bolster up our depth chart at the most important position with any experience. And he should have right away. People here are arguing like it was just impossible. Heck one person even argued ignorance, saying its not like he knew how bad the depth chart was. Strong himself said he looked at tape and even talked to Stoops before he took this job. And when he took it, Ash was not cleared to play and Swoopes was the other scholarship QB. And he went all in on Wittik AND MISSED.

He gets the blame for that. Why excuse it?

 

[Longyac]

any....somebody....who?

Exactly. This is a bunch of 20/20 hindsight BS. I don't recall any of these guys calling for this before now.

The narrative last year was Heard was going to be the stud to fix the long walk without a good QB.