Will the Big12 step in if Baylor refuses to fire Art Briles? There is a group of boosters wanting to suspend him for a year and then bring him back which is beyond disgusting. But winning is everything to some people I suppose.
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At this point, more likely than not, think Briles will be back after a years suspension. Disgusting as it sounds...
It's just a burnt orange witch hunt, don'cha know? The LHN started all this.
Briles just did what any God-fearing, awesome coach should do. It's an overreaction, I say, it's an overreaction to fire Briles. Fire that Ken Starr, instead! Put up a statue of Art!
Besides, it was just 20 minutes of action, is all... No, wait, that was the Stanford thing... It was 15 minutes of action, is all... You gonna bring down our prophet of football, Art Briles, for 15 minutes of action???
Briles just did what any God-fearing, awesome coach should do. It's an overreaction, I say, it's an overreaction to fire Briles. Fire that Ken Starr, instead! Put up a statue of Art!
Besides, it was just 20 minutes of action, is all... No, wait, that was the Stanford thing... It was 15 minutes of action, is all... You gonna bring down our prophet of football, Art Briles, for 15 minutes of action???
Horns you are spot on as usual and Baylor fans are in agreement with you. This whole situation is beyond sickening and if Baylor refuses to take action the Big12 should act in the interest of the conference.
The Big 12 and the NCAA will not take action until it is brought to their level. I am sure both would rather Baylor do what's right and release the players and remove coaches then for them to have to levy sanctions. Unfortunately, you're right, there are a croup of people a Baylor who are willing to put football and winning ahead of the lives of young women and safety.
To me it just seems that there needs to be continuous pressure put on the Board of Regents at Baylor. If that doesn't happen and Baylor is left to their own devices, then Art Briles just may end up on the side lines after a year suspension.
Agree with your assessment SB but since Baylor has made it abundantly clear that they plan to do nothing perhaps the other Big12 members should act arbitrarily in this matter.
1) refuse to play Baylor in football until CAB and staff are permanently replaced.
2) release without penalty any player wishing to leave
3) Fire everyone in the athletic department immediatly
1) refuse to play Baylor in football until CAB and staff are permanently replaced.
2) release without penalty any player wishing to leave
3) Fire everyone in the athletic department immediatly
True, Sholz and as such he should not be playing college football anywhere. Perhaps a hard and fast rule, with absolutely no exceptions, should be instituted . Rule being that if you put your hands on a woman in an effort to harm her you can no longer play at or be a scholarship holder at ANY NCAA member institution.
If they take Briles back, the Big 12 needs to kick Baylor to the curb - give Houston their spot... after the murder/coaches cover up with the baylor bball team years ago and now this - baylor is a walking black eye for the ig 12.... they can be saved, but not if they allow Briles back since the rape culture flourished under his watch and he also helped cover it up......
ANd baylor REALLY needs to think about this... there is no more Ann Richards to save baylor from being relegated to mid major status... and should the Big 12 dump baylor, there is NO other P5 conference that will pick them up for multiple reasons.....how much will briles win in the AAC? lol
ANd baylor REALLY needs to think about this... there is no more Ann Richards to save baylor from being relegated to mid major status... and should the Big 12 dump baylor, there is NO other P5 conference that will pick them up for multiple reasons.....how much will briles win in the AAC? lol
Do nothing? The President, AD and Coach have been removed! Contrary to your hysteria, Briles is not coming back. There are no plans to bring him back. To be honest, its people like you that are stirring up the Bears. BU fired the President, the AD and the Coach, and you still crap on the University. No one expects a pat on the back, but there is no need to continue the bashing based on freaking hypotheticals.
I am responding to a story that said boosters want Briles suspended for one year and then re-hired. If this is true it is reprehensible. If it's not true then that is a step in the right direction. Student-athletes who want to leave should be given their full release immediately.
The BOR met, but did not vote on the future of Briles. So no need to bring up "reprehensible." Now you've moved the ball "Student-athletes who want to leave should be given their full release immediately." Who - Everyone on the team?
Diadevic are you saying that under no circumstances will Art be brought back? As for your question I was thinking of the incoming freshman class but now that you mention it giving releases to any player who want one is a very good idea. Most decent human beings don't want to be associated with an institution that enables and covers up rape and murder.
That's how it was with that other sexual abuse scandal. It's not like this is without very recent precedent.
The NCAA fined the school $60 million, imposed a four-year postseason ban on Penn State football, significantly reduced the number of scholarship players the team can field over the next four years, placed the program on probation for five years and enabled any current or incoming player to transfer and play immediately without restriction.
No, I am not saying under NO circumstance will Art be brought back. But I see you have now brought in another hypothetical. So here is one for you - what if it can be proven that Tevin Elliot's and Sam U's accusers paid cash to the jury for their verdict, and every other person who has alleged any misdeeds all recanted and provided video proof that they were paid for providing false stories by Bob Ley and OTL - would you take Briles back? That is a stupid hypothetical, as is any hypothetical in this matter. Stick to the facts. And as for your last sentence - Baylor is in this mess because Briles recruited thugs. If you are willing to take those thugs, it looks like you become the enabler.
What are you talking about???
You don't just get to make stuff up as a defense because someone made a point (I didn't see anything he posed as a hypothetical). BU players are GUILTY of rape. Coaches guilty of covering it up. Institution and police too. And there were WAY more than 2 girls. You don't just get to say "well WHAT IF" it all never really happened and it was all some conspiracy from 2 girls. WTF.
To your last point. NO ONE is looking to take Sam U after his rapes (well except for BU). No one is looking to take the abuser you took from Penn St (not even a single NFL team after he was projected as a 1st rounder). No one wants any of your rapists. Just a few HS kids that have never attended BU yet are looking to get out of this mess. So in one stroke you paint BU innocent and blame the girls. And in the other stroke you label kids who haven't set foot on campus yet as THUGS.
What the Hell man? Get a grip. You've gone full retard here.
To be honest --- if we are going to release all the players, then go ahead and self impose the death penalty. The fact is, football wise, we have no recruiting class for next year, we may or may not have one for this year. With looming Title IX/NCAA investigations, which will create uncertainty another couple of years, BU will have horrible recruiting classes for the foreseeable future. And right now we have a 63 year old "interim" coach who had losing records the last 4 years. We need to go all in either one two ways - give the middle finger to the public, keep Briles, plow ahead and take the public scorn, or self impose the death penalty, release all players and start completely over. Anything in between will just be a bandaid over shotgun blast.
Bite me. I calmed down, apologized, and now you call me out - Littleton DID propose a hypothetical. And I proposed one back. As you almost correctly identified (only one BU player, not players, have been found guilty of rape, but as you like to say, why let pesky facts get in the way), there are plenty of facts and shortcomings to criticize, but one of them is NOT "what if" Baylor refuses to fire Briles.
Not sure what was hypothetical... I have seen the news stories about them bringing briles back after a 1 year suspension.. it is all over ESPN....either way, if Baylor brings briles back the Big 12 needs to remove baylor from the conference and find a replacement.... and baylor needs to get ready to say hi to their new conference the AAC....
If Baylor does the right thing and cleans it self up, there is nothing to look at.
If it chooses to bring back Briles then all bets are off. I hope the NCAA gives them the death penalty and they are kicked out of the Big 12.
A message need to be sent again to coaches schools and donors that this stuff needs to be taken seriously.
If it chooses to bring back Briles then all bets are off. I hope the NCAA gives them the death penalty and they are kicked out of the Big 12.
A message need to be sent again to coaches schools and donors that this stuff needs to be taken seriously.
Sow the wind, reap the whirlwind.
It would be a mistake to double down. The quicker the bears raze the program to the foundation, the quicker this is over and only then will it be time to consider the mechanics of rebuilding. Half measures taken now merely allow the wound to fester and risk sending a sick patient to an early grave.
Hook 'em
So what?
You do the crime, you pay the price.
I would be way less worried about a class or two. And how you guys could bury things more and finding some way to keep Briles. I would be WAYYYYY more worried about imposing my own hefty sanctions so that the NCAA doesn't give you the death penalty.
Struggling thru a recruiting class or two is nowhere near what could be imposed. And it is not even close to the death penalty suffered by SMU that destroyed that program for decades.
No law suit no problem. BMD bear are prob paying off the women Already . They want Briles so they buy off the prob to make it go away. Baylor needs public shaming to change. I suggest rape whistles at every game loud and long until the staff is purged. Humiliated is what will work.
One little problem there. Penn St was under sanction. Baylor isn't. The reason Penn St players were allowed to transfer was because of the length of the sanctions, not because of the nature of the scandal.
Look guys, Baylor is going to pay a steep price for this situation and rightfully so. However, in all honesty something like this could happen on any campus in America When one considers
A the win at all cost mentality at most schools
B Out of control boosters
CThe huge amounts of money generated by college sports
D the disregard of character when recruiting players
Situations like the one at Baylor are bound to happen again and I for one am sick of this BS.
I feel steps should be taken to clean up college sports such as
1 the power 5 and the mid-major conferences leave the NCAA and form a new organization with oversight and enforcement powers
2 uniform rule of conduct for all athletes and uniform penalties for rules infractions
3 The appointment of a national panel to oversee disciplinary situations (Kevin Sumlin can't sit JFF for one play because of a DWI and call that disciplining a player)
4 If a player is kicked out of a member school he can't play at any other member school, ever
5. All players have to stay 4 years for football and 2 years for basketball no more one and done or 3 and out.
A the win at all cost mentality at most schools
B Out of control boosters
CThe huge amounts of money generated by college sports
D the disregard of character when recruiting players
Situations like the one at Baylor are bound to happen again and I for one am sick of this BS.
I feel steps should be taken to clean up college sports such as
1 the power 5 and the mid-major conferences leave the NCAA and form a new organization with oversight and enforcement powers
2 uniform rule of conduct for all athletes and uniform penalties for rules infractions
3 The appointment of a national panel to oversee disciplinary situations (Kevin Sumlin can't sit JFF for one play because of a DWI and call that disciplining a player)
4 If a player is kicked out of a member school he can't play at any other member school, ever
5. All players have to stay 4 years for football and 2 years for basketball no more one and done or 3 and out.
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