OT: Ahmaud Arbery murder trial
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That son has pretty much signed his own death warrant. The other guy not the father tried to strike a plea and the judge rejected it. They should go to prison.
I expect they will all be convicted. There's a big difference between defending yourself while opposing rioters vs. killing someone in the middle of a peaceful neighborhood, even if they believed (without clear evidence) he may have committed a crime. The fact the media kept linking the two cases as being similar is yet another example of the mainstream media trying hard to push a nationwide narrative.
I don't know, I'm torn on this one, from just a visual perspective they look innocent to me. Just a couple good ol' boys out funnin' around
Is this the one where those two dipshit hillbillies chased down a dude that was just jogging in his neighborhood?
He wasn't just jogging in the neighborhood. He had been identified as an individual who had been repeatedly burglarizing a home that was under construction. He was caught and the defendants attempted to implement a citizens arrest to hold him until the police arrived. Legally, it was reasonable and appropriate for them to detain him. However, It was not appropriate to detain him by way of deadly force. That's why in my view they're likely to be found guilty. At least the individual who pulled the trigger. I believe one of the defendants wasn't aware that one of the other defendants was armed. The decision to use lethal force to exercise a citizens arrest is the key issue before the jury. Not race or ethnicity. Just like the George Floyd trial, there has been zero evidence presented that indicates that race was a factor. None.
The media and Marxist Democrat politicians are the ones pushing for the narrative that this incident was solely based on race. No facts and no evidence to support that narrative exists anywhere.
The media and Marxist Democrat politicians are the ones pushing for the narrative that this incident was solely based on race. No facts and no evidence to support that narrative exists anywhere.
It wasn’t legal to make a citizens arrest because he was not caught stealing or breaking any laws. They assumed and that isn’t legal. Also the theft that happened in the neighborhood was a gun out of one of the neighbors truck. The man that owned the house that was being built said he had no issues or anything stolen from his property and that there was multiple individuals that walked thru his place. He has video. So that’s another reason why they are guilty.
It had everything to do with race because they saw a black man in the neighborhood that fit the “description” of a suspected theif not necessarily Arbery. It doesn’t have anything to do with being racist though but they did assume he was the theif and had no proof. My guess is not many black folks live in that area so he must have been the theif by default. Also if I’m not mistaken no theft was reported to the police.
DRTX respectfully I think you should do some more research I don’t think you’ve followed this case.
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Arbury was "at worst" a petty thief. You chase a thief down and give them a black eye. You DON'T chase them down and kill them.
Them dudes need to go to jail.
Them dudes need to go to jail.
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When I was 7, my dad moved us from the Woodlands in north Houston to South Texas. For our first Xmas, our parents bought my sibling and I brand new bicycles. Within days, I was awoken one night by some weird noises and I watched 2 Latino teenagers steal our bikes. I woke dad up, he gave chase on foot, but they got away.
A year later, my father's Suburban was broken into while we were at dinner (nice restaurant) and we saw the Latino male exiting dads truck and run away-- dad's 38 special from the glove box in his right hand.
A few months after that, dad and I came home one evening to discover thst mom had accidentally left the garage door open. Dad saw someone duck down to hide in the back and told me to stay in the truck. He grabbed his NEW pistol and chased the Latino male out of our garage.
My point is--- by age 8 I'd watched 2 bikes, a gun vanish and a dude in my garage trying to steal stuff. All of them were Latinos. So what did I learn as an 8 year old? Duh-- Latinos will steal from you. And that sucks to learn that at the age of 8.
And if I didn't have decent sense of things, it's likely I'd have carried that lesson and prejudice into my adult life.
Perhaps these guys had a similar life experience, but simply couldn't let go of it.
Still-- there's no excuse for chasing someone down and killing them.
I grew up in Greenspoint so guess who I thought were all assholes? Past experiences sometimes cloud your mind and judgement. Getting older and more well rounded and having friends that are diverse takes it away.
Problem was he wasn’t a petty theif because there isn’t any proof he stole anything. We have to use facts just as we did with Rittenhouse. Facts are all that matter not opinions or assumptions.
Here’s even something even more F’d up. Without that video the two that hunted him down wouldn’t even be in court.
My bad-- I should have said "at worst" He was a petty thief.
Let's look at it from the victim's point of view.
You're a black man jogging down the road in the south. 3 rednecks roll up on you and block your path. When you try and go around their truck, one of them jumps out with a shotgun.
Based on a mountain of historical evidence, I can see why a black man might think that this is going to end poorly. Furthermore, I can understand why he would try and wrestle the gun away.
Citizen's arrest laws are designed for law enforcement officers operating outside their jurisdiction. While anyone can make a citizen's arrest, it has to be during the commission of a crime. These morons attempted to detain a guy, because he matched the description of someone that had been stealing from construction sites. We know that it wasn't during the commission of a crime, because they filmed it.
I'm not saying this was based on race. However, these guys are 1M% in the wrong and they deserve whatever they get.
Oh they're going to jail. I think it's unanimous on here that them dudes crossed the line.
The question now becomes, how long will they be in jail. I'm guessing 20+.
Off topic but a coworker and I mistakenly ended up at the Showtime hookah bar in greenspoint a few months ago while on a business trip. We stuck out like a sore thumb. It took awhile, and a few beers, to break the ice but my buddy and I closed the place down. I even spit some UGK on the mic. Had a great time with some great folks.
He was not
Under GA law the charges against them could warrant a death penalty sentence.
I’ve had plenty of great time in GP but also some sketchy ones. Not a place I’d recommend for out of towners.
I’m not aware of Georgia law, but it seems it would consistent that pre meditation and planning would be needed in order to make Murder 1 stick. Not a chance.
is there another statute in Georgia that would bring death penalty?
I haven’t followed this case so won’t comment on the merits. The prosecutors did not choose to pursue capital punishment in this case. So that penalty is not available here.
I would imagine, like most (or all) states Murder 1 is extremely difficult to prove.
That's why you usually see lesser charges included - felony murder or negligent homicide.
I would argue that consciously taking the time to grab multiple fire arms and video tape the altercation passes the bar for premeditation.
And you’d have a VERY difficult time convincing a jury beyond any reasonable doubt.
If anybody grew up in the 90's or early 2000's they have to know who UGK was.
All 3 guilty of murder. Right verdict.
Yes they got all 3 of those redneck crackers. All convicted of murder.
Justice had been served.
I don't want them to be put on death row. Give them life without the possibility of parole. I've talked to people who've been in prison. They said the days are long and boring and each day is longer than the day before. Some of those people I've talked to have said they'd rather get the death penalty cause life is torture. Those crackers will get what they deserve. And prisoners like them will have to learn to eyes in the back of their heads and sleep with one eye open.
Justice has been served.
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