Thumbs up for Jeff Bagwell getting into HoF today!!
This is actually his 7th time up for vote. Missed by 21 votes last year, right under needed 75%. He will get in today. He admitted to using creatine when it was actually ok/legal to use. Suspected steroids, yes, but never proven or on any report.he won't get in first ballot due to steroidial issues. he will get in eventually. and he should. a buddy of mine is a big astros guy, and i think it's preposterous that biggio got in and he is baffled by my thinking. but bagwell is deserving.
they already allowed piazza in--- they lose any holier-than-thou platform with him. let clemens and bonds in, and let the floodgates open
And anyone who doesn't think Biggio deserves to be in the Hall doesn't get baseball.
So much truth. I can't even believe it was a debate for anyone.
Mike Mussina deserves to be in as well, but there are people that don't think so.
At some point saying things that are utterly ridiculous will hurt your credibility to discuss the same matters in the future. You may have crossed that threshold.i guess being slightly above average for a long time makes one hall worthy?? c'mon. it's the hall of fame, not the hall of pretty good
Bagwell, Piazza, and Pudge were suspected users. I don't think that is very controversial. If Bagwell and Piaza were not suspected, they would have been 1st ballot guys. Maybe they weren't dirty, but many seem to think so. Not pretending I know.There was NEVER any link between Bagwell and steroids...not one shred of evidence.Yet, you say he was a "suspected" user. Palmiero, Bonds, A Rod..Sosa...these guys were all proven users.
and....anyone that says Biggio just got in because he was "above average" for a long time(that even sounds silly...sounds like how you describe a star player) has not looked at the comparative stats.
i guess being slightly above average for a long time makes one hall worthy?? c'mon. it's the hall of fame, not the hall of pretty good
when he played his 43rd year, 42 of which were on sub-par teams.
we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this. i know what i saw, and what i saw was a player that makes me go "....eh..."
bagwell was a star. pudge was a star. randy johnson, star. curt schilling, pedro martinez, stars. biggio? you honestly think that dude was better than dale murphy? the guy wasn't better than tim raines and he got in before raines while on the same ballot! why? because he stuck around long enough to surpass some manufactured threshold?
again, agree to disagree
The list of second baseman with better stats is pretty small.
i guess being slightly above average for a long time makes one hall worthy?? c'mon. it's the hall of fame, not the hall of pretty good
when he played his 43rd year, 42 of which were on sub-par teams.
we're gonna have to agree to disagree on this. i know what i saw, and what i saw was a player that makes me go "....eh..."
bagwell was a star. pudge was a star. randy johnson, star. curt schilling, pedro martinez, stars. biggio? you honestly think that dude was better than dale murphy? the guy wasn't better than tim raines and he got in before raines while on the same ballot! why? because he stuck around long enough to surpass some manufactured threshold?
again, agree to disagree
and played in an era that wasn't nearly as hitter friendly. won a couple mvp's (which biggio never sniffed). was more-or-less the face of the sport for a 3-5 year run, whereas biggio could go into the mall and go unnoticed