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clob94

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Many of you folks on here subscribe to Netflix.

I try to be a pretty objective guy when it comes to the realm of most things.

Tonight I watched a "documentary" on Netflix called "The Bomb".

Please---- all of you that are able, watch it. I would love and appreciate your feedback.
 
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Is it about the dropping of Little Boy & Fat Boy or general nuke documentary?
Nuclear arms race and proliferation.

It also shows video of many of the testing phases (Trinity, Crossroads, Sandstone, Upshot, Greenhouse etc) and the thoroughness of DOE and DOD during the testing phases. And of course, how our government was able to use propaganda to convince people that "duck and cover" could really protect you vs the reality of simply turning to ash under your composite wood desk.
 
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I am all in for History, I spend a lotta time on the History and NG and Smithsonian channels and then TCM most of the time, you would be surprised how many movies today followed old movie scripts with a new name, in that Movie .."Heaven Can Wait" is the same movie as 1941 " Here comes Mr Jordan"Heaven is about a LA Rams QB and 1941 is about a Boxer, some are writing new stuff but, others are copying aka 1976 A Star is Born with Barbra Streisand, Kris Kristofferson, Gary Busey and so on, I believe they made a 1954 Star with Judy Garland which was a Musical..lol
 
Nuclear arms race and proliferation.

It also shows video of many of the testing phases (Trinity, Crossroads, Sandstone, Upshot, Greenhouse etc) and the thoroughness of DOE and DOD during the testing phases. And of course, how our government was able to use propaganda to convince people that "duck and cover" could really protect you vs the reality of simply turning to ash under your composite wood desk.


It was Mandatory in schools back then clob, we always joked about kissing our Aholes goodbye! cause we was gonna die.. all that Civil defense stuff in the basement, everything from food , water to gas mask and Geiger Counters.LOL! We always joke if one hit the school who was gonna grab the Geiger counter 1st...LOL,,, was serious shit back then, people digging Fallout shelters and shit, loud ass CD sirens...etc , some Fire dept and towns still use them old sirens today
 
It was Mandatory in schools back then clob, we always joked about kissing our Aholes goodbye! cause we was gonna die.. all that Civil defense stuff in the basement, everything from food , water to gas mask and Geiger Counters.LOL! We always joke if one hit the school who was gonna grab the Geiger counter 1st...LOL,,, was serious shit back then, people digging Fallout shelters and shit, loud ass CD sirens...etc , some Fire dept and towns still use them old sirens today
We had to do all that because of the Rosenbergs and Ethel's brother, David Greenglass. NY liberals kept insisting for 40 years that they were innocent. Then the Soviet Union collapsed and we got their pay stubs. Yes children, there really was a communist conspiracy
 
Once you watch this documentary you will notice something VERY unique about it.

Now mind you, you must play close attention. You will be introduced to countries at the beginning of it that are NOW members of the nuclear community, and then it will go back in time to Robert Oppenheimer and white Sands and our first detonation-- and then our subsequent test which by the way, the United states tested a total of 1132 nuclear bombs in our history. Think about that. Then is starts showing footage of Russians testing (456 tests)-- then Chinese (47) and on down through India and Pakistan etc.

The amount of pigs, chickens, cows, dogs, horses, mice, rats, hamsters etc that were used as test subjects is unfathomable. The camera footage of some of these explosions can only be seen in this documentary.

And when you're finished, let me know what conclusion you came to with regard to whether or not any country would EVER be dumb enough to use their arsenal given the amount of repercussions they would face.

Again, I implore you fells to watch this.
 
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As insanely powerful as those test detonations we're, they're Mr. W firecrackers compared to current gen nukes.
The Soviet Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb was the equivalence of 3800 Hiroshimas at once. Crazy, that was in the early 60s too.
Chit's scary.
 
As insanely powerful as those test detonations we're, they're Mr. W firecrackers compared to current gen nukes.
The Soviet Tsar Bomba hydrogen bomb was the equivalence of 3800 Hiroshimas at once. Crazy, that was in the early 60s too.
Chit's scary.
The yield was north of 50 mega tons and when the explosion actually pushed debris up and OUT of the atmosphere into space---- the rest of the world went "Welp, no reason to make anything bigger than that....". and then some jackwagon physisist at Lawrence Livermore went " Hey, if we salt this bomb with Cobalt 60 we can effectively cover the entire earth in radioactive particles and kill everyone on earth".

Great idea dude.
 
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I am all in for History, I spend a lotta time on the History and NG and Smithsonian channels and then TCM most of the time, you would be surprised how many movies today followed old movie scripts with a new name, in that Movie .."Heaven Can Wait" is the same movie as 1941 " Here comes Mr Jordan"Heaven is about a LA Rams QB and 1941 is about a Boxer, some are writing new stuff but, others are copying aka 1976 A Star is Born with Barbra Streisand, Kris Kristofferson, Gary Busey and so on, I believe they made a 1954 Star with Judy Garland which was a Musical..lol

I've been saying that for years.

I made fun of the original Fast And Furious because it was the same movie as Point Break, the difference was one was a bunch of car junkies and the other was a bunch of surfers.

Hollywood is the most unoriginal bunch of dorks in the world. Good thing we have comic books or nothing new would ever come out of on TV/Movies.
 
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I've been saying that for years.

I made fun of the original Fast And Furious because it was the same movie as Point Break, the difference was one was a bunch of car junkies and the other was a bunch of surfers.

Hollywood is the most unoriginal bunch of dorks in the world. Good thing we have comic books or nothing new would ever come out of on TV/Movies.

Couldn't have made it threw being a Kid without Sgt Rock!
 
Not one of you muh fuggas has bothered to watch my sh!t?

Oh I'm going to start posting d!ck pics on here if ya'll don't get on it.
 
After a hard work week, I decided I wanted to do nothing but sit in my living room and watch TV. So last night I finally watched this thing.

First, it was weird, I was expecting something a bit different, I'm pretty sure this documentary was meant to be watched while puffing a bong.

I did enjoy watching hot Russian, Chinese and Korean women marching.

I got a great laugh at duck and cover.

I was hoping for some information on what is happening now, but all they did was a few news clippings.

Still, it was entertaining from a music perspective.
 
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^This.
Opening vignette just proved the world is indeed not flat. Who knew? Asking for Stephan Curry.
A lot of the videos I have seen before, but yes, duck and cover cracked me up.

Back to baseball game.
 
Man----- ya'll are sucking.

Disclaimer: First, I am convinced that the US did what we had to do in 1945 to bring the war in the Pacific to an end. I don't really think Japan would have surrendered any other way and the results of a full out military invasion of those islands would have resulted in many times more casualties-- both civilian and military-- than actually did occur. Because of the religious fervor with which the Japanese people served the emperor-- whom they believed was god-- I think the evidence is very good that they would have obeyed orders to fight to the death, and that deaths very likely therefore would have numbered in the millions, possibly on both sides.

Though I have watched 'The Bomb' on Netflix, I'll only comment on your question as to whether or not any nations-- knowing what we know about the destructive force of these weapons-- would use them against each other. I can only put forward the problem that is India vs Pakistan. As the former has been taken over by the fundamentalist Hindu Bharatiya Janata Party and the latter, as we know, has become a haven to the most fundamentalist of fundamentalist Islamist groups like Al Qaeda and ISIS, I'll just say that when WWIII starts it will almost certainly start there. Although it wasn't covered much in the US media, just this past week shooting broke out between the two, as it does regularly, in Kashmir, with numerous civilian and military casualties, including two Indian jets being shot down, and one pilot captured, Pakistan released him but that cauldron of hate, dating back to centuries before the division of British India into two nations in 1947-- one Hindu and the other Muslim-- is a powder keg waiting to blow up. I've known Pakistanis and Indians and have first-hand experience with the depth of the hate the most extreme members of those two groups have towards each other-- and believe me, the extremists are gaining control. If Ghandi couldn't keep them from killing each other, but was himself killed in the attempt, I don't know who can succeed.

After all, pictures are just pictures, and black and white film is just black and white film. None of it can ever do justice to the true destructive power of nuclear weapons in the mind of a person who hasn't been there and seen it, like those American soldiers in that first documentary below did, even if such folks were willing to watch in the first place, which many people obviously aren't.


On that issue, here are a couple other documentaries you might be interested in. The first is fairly short and consists of interviews with American soldiers who were ordered to ride out above-ground nuclear detonations in fox holes just a couple of miles away in 1957 as part of their service. It's horrific stuff that will blow your mind. Seeing the bones inside your hands covering your eyes and in the bodies of the soldiers around you through those bone-covered eyes kind of horrific. Sworn to secrecy and silence for decades under threat of huge fines and treason prosecutions, these unfortunate American boys couldn't even tell their families or speak of the experiences with each other, or tell medical professionals where their cancers might have come from. You have to watch it to believe it. The second film on the other hand might be called propaganda against nuclear weapons:


'The Atomic Soldiers'
They served at ground zero — and it has haunted them ever since.
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/12/opinion/atomic-soldiers.html


'The Atomic Cafe'
Disturbing collection of 1940s and 1950s United States government-issued propaganda films designed to reassure Americans that the atomic bomb was not a threat to their safety.
 
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There's no point of me ever posting on this site again.


I could never top that insight. Ever.


She even highlighted the text with "and I'm XTRA naughty".

This means she was gonna play the whole bench on your ass that night!
 
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Ok @clob94 per your request, I just watched "The Bomb". Fascinating film, much of it covered in Richard Rhodes book. It was good to see him so prominently referenced in the documentary. I liked seeing Walter Boyne offering his views. They credit him as an retired SAC pilot but he is also a reputable Air Force historian and author of many books. I own a couple of them. Near the end of the film as they are discussing how popular opinion shifts the political will, they listed many films that played a role in shaping our perception of nuclear weapons. I found this interesting because I have seen every one of them and in fact, just watched War Games again last week when I saw it while scrolling through the channel guide. That movie aged pretty well and Ally Sheedy never looked better.

Now as to your question about whether or not a nation state would ever willingly employ such weapons given the potential repercussions. Let me echo @Wildcat414, no nation state led by reason would do so. Now this leaves quite a bit of wiggle room as we must then define reason. What is reasonable to a man of the West is quite unreasonable to a man of the East and vice versa. I think the most likely nations to employ nuclear weapons will be those of a theocratic bent, that is Pakistan or Iran, with the former more likely than the latter to do so. I do not discount the potential for North Korea but I believe that potential is at least mitigated for now. The greatest potential I fear, comes from Islamic terror groups.

One final note, as part of my American history classes each semester, we spend the last three weeks conducting a Cold War exercise. I developed this module of instruction because in the wake of the 2016 election it became painfully apparent to me that our students had no idea why so many Americans were upset over potential Russian meddling in our electoral process. The module I put together revolves around a game, "Twilight Struggle" that is a fantastic boardgame about the Cold War. The students get to play rather than listen to me lecture. They learn about signal events of the conflict and must develop complex strategies of their own to win. I have likened the game to playing chess and poker at the same time. They conduct the gameplay against a backdrop of Cold War music videos that I have put together. Iconic songs that run the gamut from Elvis to The Bangles. The response has been overwhelmingly positive. Since its inception, I have run this exercise across 12 classes and the result is evenly split, with the USA winning 6 and the Soviet team taking 6. The whole object of the game is to AVOID nuclear war. If you plunge the world into thermonuclear conflict, your team loses the game. Some of y'all are gamers, if you have a Steam account you can buy the electronic version of the game for play online. If you do that, give me a shout, I'll be happy to get you started.
 
Ok @clob94 per your request, I just watched "The Bomb". Fascinating film, much of it covered in Richard Rhodes book. It was good to see him so prominently referenced in the documentary. I liked seeing Walter Boyne offering his views. They credit him as an retired SAC pilot but he is also a reputable Air Force historian and author of many books. I own a couple of them. Near the end of the film as they are discussing how popular opinion shifts the political will, they listed many films that played a role in shaping our perception of nuclear weapons. I found this interesting because I have seen every one of them and in fact, just watched War Games again last week when I saw it while scrolling through the channel guide. That movie aged pretty well and Ally Sheedy never looked better.

Now as to your question about whether or not a nation state would ever willingly employ such weapons given the potential repercussions. Let me echo @Wildcat414, no nation state led by reason would do so. Now this leaves quite a bit of wiggle room as we must then define reason. What is reasonable to a man of the West is quite unreasonable to a man of the East and vice versa. I think the most likely nations to employ nuclear weapons will be those of a theocratic bent, that is Pakistan or Iran, with the former more likely than the latter to do so. I do not discount the potential for North Korea but I believe that potential is at least mitigated for now. The greatest potential I fear, comes from Islamic terror groups.

One final note, as part of my American history classes each semester, we spend the last three weeks conducting a Cold War exercise. I developed this module of instruction because in the wake of the 2016 election it became painfully apparent to me that our students had no idea why so many Americans were upset over potential Russian meddling in our electoral process. The module I put together revolves around a game, "Twilight Struggle" that is a fantastic boardgame about the Cold War. The students get to play rather than listen to me lecture. They learn about signal events of the conflict and must develop complex strategies of their own to win. I have likened the game to playing chess and poker at the same time. They conduct the gameplay against a backdrop of Cold War music videos that I have put together. Iconic songs that run the gamut from Elvis to The Bangles. The response has been overwhelmingly positive. Since its inception, I have run this exercise across 12 classes and the result is evenly split, with the USA winning 6 and the Soviet team taking 6. The whole object of the game is to AVOID nuclear war. If you plunge the world into thermonuclear conflict, your team loses the game. Some of y'all are gamers, if you have a Steam account you can buy the electronic version of the game for play online. If you do that, give me a shout, I'll be happy to get you started.


I don't want to live it again Comrades!
 
I am assuming all of those videos are real. I did like that there wasn't a narrator guiding us what to think, even though the narrative was to scare the sh*t out of everybody. I don't have much to add except that the USA could drop all nuclear programs tomorrow, but, Iran, Russia... would never follow suit. Let's say every person in the world was educated or informed (including watching this video) about the devastation of nuclear war, would it change anything? Maybe among the sheople, but, some governments are run by hate more so than to care for its people.
 
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